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I have no footballing talent beyond reserve grade local footy, and even that is questionable.

I have no hunger to be an AFL player.

Therefore, I do not play AFL.

Now, it seems to me that being an AFL player, Leigh Brown and others mentioned in this thread should have talent and hunger. That's why they're AFL players and we're not.

Until a poster here on BigFooty who used to play on the biggest stage comes here to give us some pearls of wisdom, everyone who reads this board, including myself and others on here, will give the fevered rantings of a few supporters who have their noses out of joint with a Leigh Brown or whoever, little or no credibility. I'd say it'd probably be more like no credibility, but I suppose that's up to the reader.

For the love of the allmighty, these blokes train god knows how many hours a week, and get out there each week and put themselves in the line of fire.

How do you know that Brown isn't doing what he's instructed to do out there? He's never going to get 30 possies like a Simpson or a Harvey. He's been told to be a floating midfielder and designated link man. And as far as I can tell, he's done that quite well to date - his performances haven't been anywhere near as bad as some people on here make them out to be.

If you think he's such a pussy when it comes to using his body, then his best position is where he currently is. Away from the hard stuff.

Don't get me wrong, I can't see too much of a future for the big fella going forward (by that I mean in the next 3 - 5 years), but his good efforts this year have warranted a bit more praise than he's given. Same for Watt and Hale, although they're an entirely different issue - however they've been okay. Not great, but okay.

Failing someone else better coming through the seconds, they're earning their spots.

In case anyone forgot, the entire team played shitfully bad on Saturday evening, so singling out any one player for that effort is counterproductive (much like 99% of the negative bullcrap flying around this board about players), plus it was fairly greasey, not ideal for 6ft 2 inch + players.

Fair dinkum, these blokes are part of the team and should be encouraged and cheered, rather than bagged relentlessly (only by certain individuals on here - this isn't addressed to any one person). Fine, they might not be playing super footy, but any decision to drop or play them is in the match committee's hands, and us venting our spleens about it all the time in a profoundly negative manner is getting so old so fast it aint funny. It's only one loss people, it happens!

Don't fling sh-t. You get more bees with honey.

Over and out.
 
The Zebra said:
Brown is filling in. A stop gap while we are waiting for Smith, Sinclair, Urquhart and Riggio to get into the team (all getting close) - then it will be it for him unless injury hits.

Hale is still very much a part of our future plans. The last two weeks he has shown some really strong form in the forward line (vs Sydney) and some ability in the ruck (vs Adelaide). Just has to put the two together and he will be a very valuable second ruck/forward.
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There is no doubting you Zebs. How you can find positives out of Hale's performance on the weekend is beyond me.

IMPOSE. That's the word that is most important to me when I start talking about Hale's worth to our side. He did it in the second half against Sydney and that was great. However Hale has been constantly average throughout his career thus far and as for this year I feel that he has gone backwards bar that half against the Swans.

Sure he showed signs against the Swans but I say Stuff the signs. Evan Hewitt showed signs. IMPOSE CONSISTENTLY UPON A GAME and I'll shut up.

Look, he is now a grown man. Stuff this Big Men Take Time Rot. The time is NOW.

As for Brown, you may be right. There is no doubt that Brown is on his final chance but I still stand by my earlier claim that at the minute Brown > Hale + Watt and that is saying something.

P.S. Riggio being mentioned with those other 3 in your post above is a bit rich IMO. I put it to you that Riggio is on his last chance as well.
 
Brown wasn't the worst the other night, but when I speak of him I'm talking about his career. If we based performances on one game; Harding would be our captain and bnf.

I'm sorry, but if we are seriously - SERIOUSLY - trying to push for a flag, then players such as Leigh Brown shouldn't even be considered unless he can hold down a KP. A 193cm (?) and 100k (? I think) bloke in the midfield who doesn't have natural, silky kicking skills or speed but is there plainly as a linkman is just pointless. Could Hansen do that role? I think he could.
 

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Zondor said:
There is no doubting you Zebs. How you can find positives out of Hale's performance on the weekend is beyond me.
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Hale was average - as were 18 other players out there - but 17 hit outs is 17 hitouts, and is good in 50% game time. His ruckwork at the start of the year looked shit, so the fact that he is getting his hand to the ball - and had a superior hit-out to advantage % than any other ruckman, no mean feat given how terrible our midfield was - it is a positive. His wrk around the ground was non existent, but for the second week in a row he has got 17 hit-outs - which is a positive.

IMPOSE. That's the word that is most important to me when I start talking about Hale's worth to our side. He did it in the second half against Sydney and that was great. However Hale has been constantly average throughout his career thus far and as for this year I feel that he has gone backwards bar that half against the Swans.
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I agree - he has to impose himself to become important, but the Sydney game showed he is capable - now it is a matter of putting it all together.


P.S. Riggio being mentioned with those other 3 in your post above is a bit rich IMO. I put it to you that Riggio is on his last chance as well.
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I haven't seen any Werribee games yet, but from what I have read on here and heard from others, he is getting plenty of the ball in the midfield (mid-20s over the last 3 weeks), we know he is a great user of it and he has kicked a few goals.

Not saying he is at Jesse or Jess level or anything stupid, but from the guys out of the team who could come into fill the role Brown is playing (or another midfield role) - Riggio is one of them.
 
j flex roo said:
I have no footballing talent beyond reserve grade local footy, and even that is questionable.

I have no hunger to be an AFL player.

Therefore, I do not play AFL.

Now, it seems to me that being an AFL player, Leigh Brown and others mentioned in this thread should have talent and hunger. That's why they're AFL players and we're not.

Until a poster here on BigFooty who used to play on the biggest stage comes here to give us some pearls of wisdom, everyone who reads this board, including myself and others on here, will give the fevered rantings of a few supporters who have their noses out of joint with a Leigh Brown or whoever, little or no credibility. I'd say it'd probably be more like no credibility, but I suppose that's up to the reader.

For the love of the allmighty, these blokes train god knows how many hours a week, and get out there each week and put themselves in the line of fire.

How do you know that Brown isn't doing what he's instructed to do out there? He's never going to get 30 possies like a Simpson or a Harvey. He's been told to be a floating midfielder and designated link man. And as far as I can tell, he's done that quite well to date - his performances haven't been anywhere near as bad as some people on here make them out to be.

If you think he's such a pussy when it comes to using his body, then his best position is where he currently is. Away from the hard stuff.

Don't get me wrong, I can't see too much of a future for the big fella going forward (by that I mean in the next 3 - 5 years), but his good efforts this year have warranted a bit more praise than he's given. Same for Watt and Hale, although they're an entirely different issue - however they've been okay. Not great, but okay.

Failing someone else better coming through the seconds, they're earning their spots.

In case anyone forgot, the entire team played shitfully bad on Saturday evening, so singling out any one player for that effort is counterproductive (much like 99% of the negative bullcrap flying around this board about players), plus it was fairly greasey, not ideal for 6ft 2 inch + players.

Fair dinkum, these blokes are part of the team and should be encouraged and cheered, rather than bagged relentlessly (only by certain individuals on here - this isn't addressed to any one person). Fine, they might not be playing super footy, but any decision to drop or play them is in the match committee's hands, and us venting our spleens about it all the time in a profoundly negative manner is getting so old so fast it aint funny. It's only one loss people, it happens!

Don't fling sh-t. You get more bees with honey.

Over and out.
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That's your opinion. Now for mine. We are all entitled to put forward and argue our opinions. Post our thoughts and vent our spleen. That's why this is a fricken MESSAGE BOARD.

And as for the bolded part above in your post. C'mon on. Some guys are not earning their spots in the side. They are simply there due to "team structures" and "team balance". Reasons that shit me because it means we reward some in the side who are ordinary or out of form.

Based on form Gavin U should have already played. S Thompson should not have been dropped after the first game. Hale and Watt should have been "dropped" during the year. Sansbury should have never played against the Swans and having said all that Leigh Brown should also be dropped if he puts in another ordinary performance. Mediocrity is for the tip.
 
Zondor, why do you think Riggio is on his last chance? He's the perfect mould midfielder we need, with apparently class, 188cm and a good build?

I think both Grimas will be delisted at the end of the year, possibly Brown and Sansbury, but surely not a 20yearold prospect taken at pick 20 something
 
j flex roo said:
I have no footballing talent beyond reserve grade local footy, and even that is questionable.

I have no hunger to be an AFL player.

Therefore, I do not play AFL.

Now, it seems to me that being an AFL player, Leigh Brown and others mentioned in this thread should have talent and hunger. That's why they're AFL players and we're not.

Until a poster here on BigFooty who used to play on the biggest stage comes here to give us some pearls of wisdom, everyone who reads this board, including myself and others on here, will give the fevered rantings of a few supporters who have their noses out of joint with a Leigh Brown or whoever, little or no credibility. I'd say it'd probably be more like no credibility, but I suppose that's up to the reader.

For the love of the allmighty, these blokes train god knows how many hours a week, and get out there each week and put themselves in the line of fire.

How do you know that Brown isn't doing what he's instructed to do out there? He's never going to get 30 possies like a Simpson or a Harvey. He's been told to be a floating midfielder and designated link man. And as far as I can tell, he's done that quite well to date - his performances haven't been anywhere near as bad as some people on here make them out to be.

If you think he's such a pussy when it comes to using his body, then his best position is where he currently is. Away from the hard stuff.

Don't get me wrong, I can't see too much of a future for the big fella going forward (by that I mean in the next 3 - 5 years), but his good efforts this year have warranted a bit more praise than he's given. Same for Watt and Hale, although they're an entirely different issue - however they've been okay. Not great, but okay.

Failing someone else better coming through the seconds, they're earning their spots.

In case anyone forgot, the entire team played shitfully bad on Saturday evening, so singling out any one player for that effort is counterproductive (much like 99% of the negative bullcrap flying around this board about players), plus it was fairly greasey, not ideal for 6ft 2 inch + players.

Fair dinkum, these blokes are part of the team and should be encouraged and cheered, rather than bagged relentlessly (only by certain individuals on here - this isn't addressed to any one person). Fine, they might not be playing super footy, but any decision to drop or play them is in the match committee's hands, and us venting our spleens about it all the time in a profoundly negative manner is getting so old so fast it aint funny. It's only one loss people, it happens!

Don't fling sh-t. You get more bees with honey.

Over and out.
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I'm assuming he's not instructed to kick the ball out on the full or to the opposition.
 
Zondor said:
That's your opinion. Now for mine. We are all entitled to put forward and argue our opinions. Post our thoughts and vent our spleen. That's why this is a fricken MESSAGE BOARD.

And as for the bolded part above in your post. C'mon on. Some guys are not earning their spots in the side. They are simply there due to "team structures" and "team balance". Reasons that shit me because it means we reward some in the side who are ordinary or out of form.

Based on form Gavin U should have already played. S Thompson should not have been dropped after the first game. Hale and Watt should have been "dropped" during the year. Sansbury should have never played against the Swans and having said all that Leigh Brown should also be dropped if he puts in another ordinary performance. Mediocrity is for the tip.
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All of that is fine and I respect your opinion.

However, I find it quite tiring how certain posters continually shyte all over certain players. Fine, it's a message board - probably the best place to do it - instead of subjecting other people to their verbal vomitus in the flesh be it at the footy or over a beer. Honestly, it seems like after a loss the sky has fallen on top of some people.

Retrospect is a neat thing. You may have seen selection mistakes coming, before they happened i.e. Sansbury. Well here's a piece of information for ya: so did most other people.

Opinions are good to have - I'm not saying your wrong, and I'm not saying I'm right - but the way in which some deliver it around here leaves a lot to be desired.

The secrecy of the net gives alot of people false stature.
 
CrazyQ said:
Brown wont get us anywhere, he has played average, not good or great, but consistently average. Stop this blind love, he isnt part of our future nor is he going to help it in any other way.

Drop him, replace him with a true midfielder, and we will be a lot better for it.

Good bloke, though.
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Now Crazy, this isn't blind love. The bottom line is this and it is starting to shit me that I have to repeat myself. Brown > Hale + Watt.

Simply put, Brown has been better then both Hale and Watt this year. This must be a simple concept for a great man such as yourself to understand.

Going forward Brown may very well end up in the tip but if he is thrown into the rubbish while Watt and Hale continue their rot in the seniors then I'll blow a head gasket.

Let's play guys in form. Brown was oridinary on the weekend but he played OK in his first 4 games. Has averaged 15 touches this year compared to his 10 touches last year. You gots to say it as it is. Open up your "Brown" Eyes.:thumbsu:
 
Zondor said:
Now Crazy, this isn't blind love. The bottom line is this and it is starting to shit me that I have to repeat myself. Brown > Hale + Watt.

Simply put, Brown has been better then both Hale and Watt this year. This must be a simple concept for a great man such as yourself to understand.

Going forward Brown may very well end up in the tip but if he is thrown into the rubbish while Watt and Hale continue their rot in the seniors then I'll blow a head gasket.

Let's play guys in form. Brown was oridinary on the weekend but he played OK in his first 4 games. Has averaged 15 touches this year compared to his 10 touches last year. You gots to say it as it is. Open up your "Brown" Eyes.:thumbsu:
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Thing is, all have been average.

Hale has upside, unlike Watt and Brown, I would drop Hale if we had another ruckman waiting who was ready. I'd give Thompson Watt's spot and Brown's spot to Gavin U.

Defending Brown by saying he's better or been better than Hale or Watt this year is average, just like their performances.
 

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budge11 said:
Zondor, why do you think Riggio is on his last chance? He's the perfect mould midfielder we need, with apparently class, 188cm and a good build?

I think both Grimas will be delisted at the end of the year, possibly Brown and Sansbury, but surely not a 20yearold prospect taken at pick 20 something
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She's gonna be a good draft by all accounts and with this Gold Coast Rot coming into play in the near future with priority picks and the what not, I forsee a number of sides getting rid of players to stock up on youth in this draft.

Riggio needs to take the next step. He moves nicely and I agree that he is in a perfect mould for a midfielder however he has only managed 2 games since being drafted in the 2005 draft. He needs to impress in the seniors this year or it could turn Pear Shaped for the kid from the WA.
 
CrazyQ said:
Thing is, all have been average.

Hale has upside, unlike Watt and Brown, I would drop Hale if we had another ruckman waiting who was ready. I'd give Thompson Watt's spot and Brown's spot to Gavin U.

Defending Brown by saying he's better or been better than Hale or Watt this year is average, just like their performances.
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No, it's making a point.
 
j flex roo said:
Go and write a letter to the match committee.

I'm sure they'll take your opinions on board.
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Yes, I'm sure they will.

Look i'm not gonna lose any sleep about his presence in the team. There are obviously those within the club who rate him, and good luck to him.

It's simply my opinion that he had given us very little value for a number of years now (nothing to do with frustrations from one game last week).
 
Lawman13 said:
Yes, I'm sure they will.

Look i'm not gonna lose any sleep about his presence in the team. There are obviously those within the club who rate him, and good luck to him.

It's simply my opinion that he had given us very little value for a number of years now (nothing to do with frustrations from one game last week).
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Cool.

Sorry about the sarcastic tone, too.

I guess I'm just an old fashioned supporter who barracks his guts out each week, irrespective of who is in the team and dislikes negativity in general.

Yeah certain players probably need a kick up the arse but I think that's the nature of the game. No point having a tantrum about it.
 
j flex roo said:
Cool.

Sorry about the sarcastic tone, too.

I guess I'm just an old fashioned supporter who barracks his guts out each week, irrespective of who is in the team and dislikes negativity in general.

Yeah certain players probably need a kick up the arse but I think that's the nature of the game. No point having a tantrum about it.
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Cheers mate:thumbsu:
 
That's nice.
 

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175 games.....and yet people can readily remember the good ones. It's not hard. There hasn't been many.

Now apply the same line of thinking to, say, a Spud (89 games) or a Harro (123 games).

The bar we set for this guy is so low it is officially scraping along the ground.

I'm sorry to be a downer, but the sooner his lovely eyes are a distant memory, the better.
 
j flex roo said:
Yeah certain players probably need a kick up the arse but I think that's the nature of the game. No point having a tantrum about it.
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Tell that to Laids who had a rather animated brain snap last year and told Brown he'd never play another game in the 1's.

Yet, here we are.....
 

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