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The guy that was running around "playing all those games" was a junkie...
He singlehandedly brought down one of the most powerful AFLs clubs almost.
For years he was allowed to walk around and do what he liked...till for the West Coast it was too late....
... he wouldnt co operate with police on a shooting... he tattooed "Such is Life" or whatever he has on his body... to quote an outlaw and a murderer...
.... He is a man living a delusion that he is some kind of romantic outlaw...
Even when he had to hand over a pube he wouldnt...

Just says it all .. does it not???

and by the way.. the only teams courting him are the naive and desperate.. and nah.. i think i have a pretty good handle on Ben Cousins... people that knw him pretty well have told the club to "stay away"
There is no way i would take your word over 'theirs'..

Youre dreaming!!!


And your naive and ill informed.

Can you prove he was a junkie in ALL his games.

If you are naive enough to think one person bought down the Eagles you're the dreamer.

You keep saying he is this and he is that and that you have a handle on Cousins mate either you know him personally or you are talking out your rear end.

Before readmittance, to my knowledge the AFL didn't ask for a pube as you put it, as they were probably not legally allowed to as he was not even a registered AFL player at the time and it was not in their drug testing passed by the AFLPA, but they will ask for it if he plays again and he will have to deliver or it's so long.

If he is unclean, who would want him, but whilst he is ticking ALL the boxes, a player of his quality is a sought after commodity, or are you one of the delusional supporters that think we are going to come from nowhere to Premiers based on a few good games last year.

The Carlton FC needs to and does look at every quality player that is on the market, even those with problems.

All I said was that if he is eligible to play and passing all the tests (CLEAN), then why wouldn't we look at a quality player.

Take your anti drugs campaign to the social discussion forum.
 
and by the way.. the only teams courting him are the naive and desperate...

The Aints certainly fit into the naive and desperate category, but if Voss comes back from WA keen to draft Ben I'd suggest that he's possibly one man who is tough and uncompromising enough and would command enough respect from Ben to be able to keep him in line.

Take your anti drugs campaign to the social discussion forum.

Would it be overly presumptuous of me to suggest that those who indulge in recreational substances on occasion would be more inclined to give Ben another chance while those in the "just say no" camp seem to have run out of patience?
 
The Aints certainly fit into the naive and desperate category, but if Voss comes back from WA keen to draft Ben I'd suggest that he's possibly one man who is tough and uncompromising enough and would command enough respect from Ben to be able to keep him in line.



Would it be overly presumptuous of me to suggest that those who indulge in recreational substances on occasion would be more inclined to give Ben another chance while those in the "just say no" camp seem to have run out of patience?

It would be overly presumptuous. Ones personal usage is irrelevant, I agree that many of those anti drugs would certainly be amongst those saying no, but this one (myself) is not.

I believe in following due process. There are AFL contract inclusions that can be used to sack a player for code of conduct violations, so why not let those control the situation.

I simply feel that the buck stops with the AFL here and we should look at all players that come up as the testing will control their own destiny.

I dont believe in making stupid comments regarding a person which to be honest I know nothing about personally. I let the controlling body make the decisions.

If they pass him then let the tests determine his fate, not a public linching.

As others have said, there are supposedly 6 AFL players on two strikes and some may well don the Blues jumper for all I know, if they are found out should they be axed as well? Or would we say if they get tested and strike 3 times we will worry about it then.

Seems to be one set of rules for one and possibly one for another. The only difference is that we know he is an offender, not one who had his identity covered up.
 

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It would be overly presumptuous. Ones personal usage is irrelevant, I agree that many of those anti drugs would certainly be amongst those saying no, but this one (myself) is not.

I believe in following due process. There are AFL contract inclusions that can be used to sack a player for code of conduct violations, so why not let those control the situation.

I simply feel that the buck stops with the AFL here and we should look at all players that come up as the testing will control their own destiny.

I dont believe in making stupid comments regarding a person which to be honest I know nothing about personally. I let the controlling body make the decisions.

If they pass him then let the tests determine his fate, not a public linching.

As others have said, there are supposedly 6 AFL players on two strikes and some may well don the Blues jumper for all I know, if they are found out should they be axed as well? Or would we say if they get tested and strike 3 times we will worry about it then.

Seems to be one set of rules for one and possibly one for another. The only difference is that we know he is an offender, not one who had his identity covered up.

Again.... i have to pull you up on la la lander kind of comments.

Cousins does not only have a drug problem (which is bad enough) ask Windell Sailor what he received...

BUT.. its for a string of anti social behaviour incidents and bringing the game into disrepute..

Cast your mind back to a shooting that he was witness to for example.. and his total lack of regard for the judicial system...
.... or abandoning his gf in a car and going for a swim in the Swan River to evade police.....

You have to be serious when discussing this guys problem... h aint no Laurie Angwin.... the guy is a losse cannon who has no regard for anything or anyone let alone any law.. or thought about the law....

Then he just goes and totally waxes himself to not clear his position ...
He continually thumbs his nose at everything and everyone...

Cousins is a moron and a massive risk to anyone that touches him....

Thats it boiled down from any real references from people that know him better than most.....
 
And depite this, the AFL still readmits him.

The fact is a ban wouldn't stand up in court if he pushed it and the AFL know it.

He has never tested positive to drug use, yes he has had off field issues, (to my knowledge never been charged) but you can look at things from a moral point of view or from a legal point of view.

Morally if all that's in the media is true, you wouldn't touch him, but legally he is allowed to play. No matter what your or my opinions or those of your sources are.

If he is so heavily on the gear as you imply, I am surprised one of the media paparazzi which will be following his every move, haven't sprung him up to no good.

Anyway no club will touch him if he is as tainted as you say or if they do, maybe they agree more with me that it will be the AFL that will wear whatever heat will generate.
 
And depite this, the AFL still readmits him.

The fact is a ban wouldn't stand up in court if he pushed it and the AFL know it.

He has never tested positive to drug use, yes he has had off field issues, (to my knowledge never been charged) but you can look at things from a moral point of view or from a legal point of view.

Morally if all that's in the media is true, you wouldn't touch him, but legally he is allowed to play. No matter what your or my opinions or those of your sources are.

If he is so heavily on the gear as you imply, I am surprised one of the media paparazzi which will be following his every move, haven't sprung him up to no good.

Anyway no club will touch him if he is as tainted as you say or if they do, maybe they agree more with me that it will be the AFL that will wear whatever heat will generate.

Youre right!!!

He is misunderstood.....

He is a sacrificial lamb.....

Such is life........

And yes... everyone wants him.... theyre just pretending they dont...

What are we thinking????

Were crazy not to go after him!!!... right????:thumbsu:
 
I believe you are the naive and ill informed..we don't need ex junkies at our club. end of story.
How do you know we don't have a player on one or two strikes?

He's cheap and his approach to training and fitness is highly professional despite his failings. After his Eagles suspension look how how well he played in his comeback game, and what shape he was in. While I'm not sure, more due to age, i'm more than happy to at least consider it seriously. How much would he add if he came back well!
 

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If clubs only cared about winning, we and every other club would call his name...its a buiness however, and winning comes second to money.

I'd love to hear his name called, but it won't happen as its a risky buisness move...everything else sounds melodramtic. (I'm looking at you THS)
 

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I've been silent on it for a while because i knew many on this forum would disagree with me.

I wouldn't have a problem with recruiting him. We have a very good structure in terms of leadership at our club now, that we didn't have before.

If the Carlton staff believe that Ben would be a good fit for our club, then i would not be upset with their decision.

However, contrary to all that, i am still am a firm believer however that we will not pick him up. As has been stated before, he doesn't fit the club's policy in terms of recruiting.
 
I've been silent on it for a while because i knew many on this forum would disagree with me.

I wouldn't have a problem with recruiting him. We have a very good structure in terms of leadership at our club now, that we didn't have before.

If the Carlton staff believe that Ben would be a good fit for our club, then i would not be upset with their decision.

However, contrary to all that, i am still am a firm believer however that we will not pick him up. As has been stated before, he doesn't fit the club's policy in terms of recruiting.

Well policy can be stupid sometimes,his not just a good player say like Scott Camporeale/Tony Liberatore,he is more like Leigh Matthews/Craig Bradley if they can see that.

The game is about winning,what's the point of going for a team just to get players who can't play when there is guys who can.

Ben will be tested like nobody in the world will be tested like,he would be totally stupid if he thinks he could get away with it and this sponsorship thing is crap,they all come running like Whores when they win games.
 
I've been silent on it for a while because i knew many on this forum would disagree with me.

I wouldn't have a problem with recruiting him. We have a very good structure in terms of leadership at our club now, that we didn't have before.

If the Carlton staff believe that Ben would be a good fit for our club, then i would not be upset with their decision.

However, contrary to all that, i am still am a firm believer however that we will not pick him up. As has been stated before, he doesn't fit the club's policy in terms of recruiting.

Noone has the structure for Cousins.

Its not his age that puts us or anyone else off...
 
The game is about winning,what's the point of going for a team just to get players who can't play when there is guys who can.

Because sometimes it's about building a culture that is successful, and to do that the basics of focusing on the team and not specific individuals need to be put into place.

I guess that can be refuted by West Coast's success in 06.

You've also got to consider the effect that he may have on the squad. There may both be positive and negative effects. The negatives may, as many believe, far outweigh the positives which is a fair argument.

We brought Angwin to the club. He brought down Karl Norman with him. Perhaps Karl Norman would still be apart of our club and be fufilling a successful football career to this day had we not made the decision to draft Angwin in the first place.

The plain fact is that nobody on this forum will know the state that Ben Cousins is in and where he's at. It's all speculation. I have faith in the clubs judgement to make the appropriate decision.

Noone has the structure for Cousins.

Its not his age that puts us or anyone else off...

If nobody had the structure for Cousins then nobody would be considering drafting him in the first place.

When it comes down to it none of us know all the details so for people on this forum to be suggesting the bs that they have, especially in this thread, is far off the mark.

People are going off pure information which has been fed to you through the media. Nobody knows all the details and the truth to the rest in the overall situation, so taking such a one sided argument is unfounded from my point of view.
 
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