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He had to ask at least three separate times to say some words in spanish!
^I said something like I'd be willing to take a punch from barry hall if jmdp took a set off fed.... lol
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He had to ask at least three separate times to say some words in spanish!
^I said something like I'd be willing to take a punch from barry hall if jmdp took a set off fed.... lol
Brilliant result not unexpected if you'd follow a bit of tennis, del Potro has been a standout junior champion destined for greatness.
I found it unbelieable how some dumb twits didn't rate him and give him a realistic chance to take this tournament out after he humiliated nadal. Shocked to see him beat federer you say? Pfft
This verifies that he is in indeed the real deal and didn't beat nada only because he was supposedly carrying an injury, he would have absolutely spanked him regardless.
Well done Potro, the is proves federer the nerdy dweeb is a fast track bully and melts to butter when a quality opponent challenges him. A bloody disgrace.
I'm glad there's a new tennis superstar who'll keep both nadal the grunting pig and federer the downhill skier honest, it's great for the game.
I found it unbelieable how some dumb twits didn't rate him and give him a realistic chance to take this tournament out after he humiliated nadal. Shocked to see him beat federer you say? Pfft
This verifies that he is in indeed the real deal and didn't beat nada only because he was supposedly carrying an injury, he would have absolutely spanked him regardless.
Well done Potro, the is proves federer the nerdy dweeb is a fast track bully and melts to butter when a quality opponent challenges him. A bloody disgrace.
I'm glad there's a new tennis superstar who'll keep both nadal the grunting pig and federer the downhill skier honest, it's great for the game.
Amazing how some posters can turn a brilliant win into another Federer bagging exercise. Rather than say how absurd JMDP played during the last 3.5 sets they go on about how Federer is finally finished etc etc.
JMDP - well played, can't really call it 'red lining' if you do it for 3.5 sets against the number 1 ranked player in the world on his favourite service. Hit forehands that I have never before seen and didn't choke when it mattered.
JMDP - well played, can't really call it 'red lining' if you do it for 3.5 sets against the number 1 ranked player in the world on his favourite service. Hit forehands that I have never before seen and didn't choke when it mattered.
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So much Federer hate. I'm sure many would love to be the type of downhill skier that wins Roland Garros and Wimby in the same year, and make another two Grand Slam finals. Roger's content with his happy family and a couple more Slams to his collection. He's saving himself for next year.
Not enough credit to del Potro if people think Fed choked.
Not enough credit to del Potro if people think Fed choked.
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i am talking about his matchup problems with nadal and murray
now he must face either of rafa, jmdp, murray in the semi finals.This is the end of federer, bookmark it...he would be lucky to win another slam , his best chance is wimbledon.
Unless i'm reading things, I swear you posted this yesterday in relation to JDP .... "he will crumble in the finals
my prediction was before the US open.I thought he would crumble just like muzza did last year, but to his credit he is a better player than roger is.JMDP will have a long successful career
Brilliant result not unexpected if you'd follow a bit of tennis, del Potro has been a standout junior champion destined for greatness.
I found it unbelieable how some dumb twits didn't rate him and give him a realistic chance to take this tournament out after he humiliated nadal. Shocked to see him beat federer you say? Pfft
This verifies that he is in indeed the real deal and didn't beat nada only because he was supposedly carrying an injury, he would have absolutely spanked him regardless.
I'm glad there's a new tennis superstar who'll keep both nadal the grunting pig and federer the downhill skier honest, it's great for the game.
we all know jmdp had the game, it was about the moment getting to him.I never said jmdp is any worse than federer but i really thought he pressure will get to him, but i was wrong...and i am so glad that i was wrong
i have said this many many times if federer is challenged he will crumble, cause he has no plan B.One dimensional game plan and made the best out of a generation which went through a transition period.Now the new generation will teach him a few lessons.Well done again JMDPWell done Potro, the is proves federer the nerdy dweeb is a fast track bully and melts to butter when a quality opponent challenges him. A bloody disgrace.
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we all know jmdp had the game, it was about the moment getting to him.I never said jmdp is any worse than federer but i really thought he pressure will get to him, but i was wrong...and i am so glad that i was wrong
i have said this many many times if federer is challenged he will crumble, cause he has no plan B.One dimensional game plan and made the best out of a generation which went through a transition period.Now the new generation will teach him a few lessons.Well done again JMDP
I know but you seem to discount the 5-set wins he's had in some of his 14 Grand Slam final wins. But as you know, you have issues.
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You're saying Federer is one-dimensional but Murray and Djokovic are not? What are you talking about. Murray has only one game plan, push the ball, play defensive and run like crazy while Djokovic just falls apart when it gets close against a top player. JMDP is still a fairly one-dimensional although that has has been chagnging.
watermelonslice
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Federer crumbles when he's challenged? He loses sometimes when he's faced with a tough opponent, but to say he crumbles is so wrong. So far, the only time Federer has choked in a Grand Slam final was at the Australian Open in the fifth set. He didn't choke today, he didn't play well and del Potro clearly outplayed him. It's ironic that you don't rate Federer much as a player, but when he loses in these matches it's because he's choked.
To describe Federer's game plan as one dimensional shows that you probably don't watch too much tennis. You might want to get out a tape of Rafa's, Murray's, Djokovic's and even del Potro's matches for comparison.
No plan B? Have you see the 2004 Wimbledon final?
you mean once against an injured rafa and the other against a choking roddick?
so why is it that he has matchup problems with murray and rafa? are u saying the 20 times he played rafa he couldnt work him out?
how many times have you seen the match goes to distance in a slam semi or a final and federer pulling it off?
where did i say nole and murray is a complete player? i never said that.JMDP is going to a complete player, bookmark it...he has solid volleying technique.
but you misunderstood my point completely, plan b doesnt mean u need to e a complete player...plan b can be anything from change of strategy to serving and volleying or even slicing... etc etc.
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Man. When is Rafa NOT injured in some way shape or form? None of Federer's victories mean anything, because he somehow manages to keep fit and injury free whilst his poor opponents have to endure the injustice of playing through injuries. Nothing to do with Roger's diet, fitness regime and style of game. Everything just falls out of the sky for Roger.
What about Rafa's Wimbledon victory then? Roger hadn't fully recovered from his mono! (And don't give me 'oh but it's been 6 months!', if you ask Ancic he'll tell you it took him a better part of the year to fully recover from mono.) Rafa's AO victory was only due to Roger choking as well!
(I love Rafa, he's an absolute champ, but going by TP's logic that Wimby and AO trophy doesn't mean much.)
wtf? he took medical timeout in that match and was clearly limping and not going for his shots.Did you watch the match? it was not fatigue, it was injury
ffssecondly um, to choke you must show signs of chokign.Which point do you reckon he choked or which game?
There's no doubt federer is the more naturally gifted player, probably in the history of the game. I'm no fan of rafa, he's brutal physical tennis he plays which he uses to gradually grind his opponents into submission bores me to tears. But what seriously bugs me about federer is how he lacks the composure and mental resolve to beat someone like rafa, someone who doesn't psychogically wilt and bend over for him when he's playing shots from another planet.
Rafa stays with him and makes him earn it and so far it has paid dividends more often than not. For mine it's a huge weakness in Federer's game (and possibly his character/personality), it's embarrassing how 1 player (although a very good one at that but nothing more) has repeatedly owned him. Before his career ends he has to rectify his record against Rafa or he cannot be honestly be anointed as the best ever.
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I wish they showed speeds for groundstrokes more often.
DP was smacking them right in the centre of his racket, shot after shot after shot, seemingly at will.
I missed the second set so I don't know what happened... fed was spanking him in the first and looking to take it out in 3.
Some of those forehands were ridiculous though.
I believe that a lot of tennis is purely based on mental strength, so for DP in his first final, getting spanked by fed, to come back and win in 5 despite being down 1-0 and 2-1 (in terms of sets) shows character.
If he wants to be a genuine contender for years to come, he needs to keep this mental strength and build on it. Coincidentally, this is the only thing getting in djokovic's way which is pissing me off.. he's not fulfilling his potential.
DP was smacking them right in the centre of his racket, shot after shot after shot, seemingly at will.
I missed the second set so I don't know what happened... fed was spanking him in the first and looking to take it out in 3.
Some of those forehands were ridiculous though.
I believe that a lot of tennis is purely based on mental strength, so for DP in his first final, getting spanked by fed, to come back and win in 5 despite being down 1-0 and 2-1 (in terms of sets) shows character.
If he wants to be a genuine contender for years to come, he needs to keep this mental strength and build on it. Coincidentally, this is the only thing getting in djokovic's way which is pissing me off.. he's not fulfilling his potential.
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so why is it that he has matchup problems with murray and rafa? are u saying the 20 times he played rafa he couldnt work him out?
how many times have you seen the match goes to distance in a slam semi or a final and federer pulling it off?
Rafa is not a good match up for Federer because of the immense topspin forehand that kicks high onto Federer's backhand wing. So the guy has a weakness, hardly means he's one-dimensional. Everyone knows the problem, but do you have a quick fix answer for it? The problem results from the fact that Federer has a single-handed backhand.
Murray's a pusher who frustrates Federer in a best of 3 format. So Federer is one-dimensional because he has issues with Murray in Tier I tournaments?
Five setters Federer has won in Slams:
1. 2009 Wimbledon final - Roddick
2. 2009 French Open semifinal - del Potro
3. 2009 French Open 4R - Haas
4. 2009 Australian Open 4R - Berdych
5. 2008 US Open 4R - Andreev
6. 2008 Australian Open 3R - Tipsarevic
7. 2007 Wimbledon final - Nadal
8. 2006 Australian open 4R - Haas
9. 2004 US Open QF - Agassi
Five setters Federer has lost in Slams:
1. 2009 US Open final - del Potro
2. 2009 Australian Open final - Nadal
3. 2008 Wimbledon final - Nadal
4. 2005 Australian Open semifinal - Safin
5. 2003 Australian Open 4R - Nalbandian
Federer's getting rolled in those five setters. It's not like he lost to legitimate opponents who were better players on the day.
Crumbling in the face of a challenge also implies that Fed doesn't even put up a fight. How is losing in five hard fought sets crumbling? Are you honestly saying Federer crumbled in last year's Wimbledon final? The guy was down two sets to love and manages to push it to a fifth set. Do you not remember that amazing backhand down the line on Championship point during that fourth set tiebreaker? Someone who crumbles in the face of a challenge does not take part in one of the most amazing matches of all time. Looking for someone who crumbles under pressure? Try Safina, Jankovic, Dementieva, Ivanovic, Kuznetsova.
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um you were talking about finals and i mentioned semis and finals.When the heat is on, he crumbles and most of the times he has crumbled against opponents who can genuinely beat him.Safin , i dont think can beat him, thats one off victory.On the other hand JMDP, Rafa can outhit federer.
if you remmeber JMDP was completely out of gas in the F.O semis.He got himself in to a hole federer didnt dig out.
Anyway this is not a federer bashing thread, his reign is over, time for the new generation to take over, so sit back and relax
Federer has had plenty of time to figure out rafa, years to be precise. And yet he doesn't look like he's anywhere close to doing that, he looks as puzzled and frustrated as ever when playing against him. And this is when rafa has also been carrying injuries which is of course not federer's fault.
If that trend of losing to Rafa persists though, then he has no legitimate claim on being the GTOA. Shame that, greats like Sampras had no such qualms in dispatching nemesis' in big matches like Agassi. I'm more inclined to bestowe on him that title than Fed.
If that trend of losing to Rafa persists though, then he has no legitimate claim on being the GTOA. Shame that, greats like Sampras had no such qualms in dispatching nemesis' in big matches like Agassi. I'm more inclined to bestowe on him that title than Fed.
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wtf? he took medical timeout in that match and was clearly limping and not going for his shots.Did you watch the match? it was not fatigue, it was injury
secondly um, to choke you must show signs of chokign.Which point do you reckon he choked or which game?
Clearly you've already made your mind up and nothing I say will change it. But it's idiotic to imply Federer's win wasn't a feat because his opponent was injured. I can't comment on the extent of Rafa's injuries, but the guy wasn't limping. He played great in the fourth set and won it 6-2.
Federer's entire demeanour showed he was choking in that fifth set at the AO this year. It takes nothing away from Rafa's victory, because it's not Rafa's fault his opponent was a hack in that last set. Rafa was the better player and a deserving winner.
I'm not saying Federer is the perfect or the best player of all time. That debate is frivolous IMO because it's incomparable across eras anyway. The guy clearly has his weaknesses, and the words 'Rafael Nadal' stand out in neon lights. But to 'discount' Federer's wins and achievements because his opponent is 'injured' or 'choked' is bullshit. Federer can only beat the opponent he is given on any day.
Well done JMDP. Though he was gone when 2 sets to one down- last year or even earlier this year he would've just given up. However he seems to have toughened up mentally and thought his way through things. TP- just give up mate. Your constant bitching is getting tiresome. Federer has and still is a gun. Nadal got smashed by JMDP, at least Federer took it to 5.
Thing is, you make that prediction every single tournament so it doesn't really count.
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Man there is a lot of trash talk in this thread... Total Power what are you talking about? Federer doesnt "crumble" he has won 14 grand slams. If you want to see someone "crumble" watch the womens.
Federer was just beaten by a better player today. What separates Fed is that he is always there. FFS Del Potro has made one grand slam final, fed has made 21.
The only reason Nadal's record over Fed is so great is because they only meet when Nadal is in good form, otherwise Nadal cant make it to the final to play against him. Fed would have smoked Nadal if he met him at this years US.
How can you say that its the end of an era, you are very reactionary...Fed was two points away from winning the match. If he fluked those two points and won would you still be saying its the end of an era? No.
Federer was just beaten by a better player today. What separates Fed is that he is always there. FFS Del Potro has made one grand slam final, fed has made 21.
The only reason Nadal's record over Fed is so great is because they only meet when Nadal is in good form, otherwise Nadal cant make it to the final to play against him. Fed would have smoked Nadal if he met him at this years US.
How can you say that its the end of an era, you are very reactionary...Fed was two points away from winning the match. If he fluked those two points and won would you still be saying its the end of an era? No.