Rich - Poor when it counts

[Wonaeamirri33]

Almost as good as the one the Naitanui can't kick, that you yourself are guilty of 'propagating'...

Considering that I haven't actually said this particular thing, and that the evidence DOES in fact show that Naitanui doesn't have particularly good foot skills (as opposed to a doctored clip of Cale Morton which is patently a misrepresentation of the truth), what's your point exactly...

 

[Hollow Knight]

Almost as good as the one the Naitanui can't kick, that you yourself are guilty of 'propagating'...

Its a shame that Wonna never turns his mirror on himself when he goes on his moral rants.

I love how he ebbs and flows between standard Bay13 troll and crusader for truth, justice and fairness at a minutes notice. You never know which Wonna will show up.

 

[Happy_Neale]

Yup... plus...

- learning to read the play
- learning techniques to deal with taggers
- learning the Brisbane gameplan
- the general improvement that just comes with further experience at AFL level.
- consistency

The real question is... what is it about other players that make people think that Rich has limited upside. Being underdeveloped doesn't necessarily = upside, otherwise we'd be drafting toddlers.

Rich has shown that he has the ability to play 30+ disposal games. The general consensus is that 30 disposals for Rich is going to break a game open. He has fluctuated between 12 disposal games and 30+ disposal games and averages around 18. Like most young players, there is a considerable gulf between his best and his worst. Yet for some reason he will struggle to become more consistent because why??? Because he's already physically developed? LMAO.

The argument that he has no upside is the product of nothing more than wishful thinking and groupthink.

Smell the fear.

Spot on, plus in his first year he has shown a willingness to work hard and attempt to shake a tag with sheer determination. Great signs for the future, despite his so-called 'limited upside'

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

smells like cabbage.

Yeah, I often try to avoid carnies for that reason

 

[Andy_Mac]

smells like cabbage.

I want my baby back, baby back

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

You never know which Wonna will show up.

Every so often you make a post that gives me a good chuckle, I have to say TBD... yeah, I like to keep you all guessing on that score

 

[Grimreepah]

Im afraid its all downhill from here for the fat little butterball.

Even Wonna33, one of the most biased posters on BigFooty, admitted that Rich has been better than all bar 6 of your players this year. It makes no sense for Melbourne supporters to be trolling him.

 

[The Panther]

Epic fail for the Lions here. They had the opportunity to draft the local lad from the Coast, who slid past their 2nd Pick & he only polled 1 less vote than their first pick.

 

[EagleMan87]

Epic fail for the Lions here. They had the opportunity to draft the local lad from the Coast, who slid past their 2nd Pick & he only polled 1 less vote than their first pick.

Simon Black was recruited from WA, I'd say they made the right choice there as well.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Even Wonna33, one of the most biased posters on BigFooty

Sticking with the "playing the man" tactic there I see Grim... at least you could summarise my post correctly when you do that though.

I never said that there were only 6 of our players who have had more success than Rich.

To reinforce what I did actually say, out of those players in our squad who were able to play close to a full season, 6 of them would compare very well with Rich, if not more than that number.

 

[Happy_Neale]

Epic fail for the Lions here. They had the opportunity to draft the local lad from the Coast, who slid past their 2nd Pick & he only polled 1 less vote than their first pick.

What about the clubs who had a second round pick before the Lions? I'd say Mitch Robinson will be the bigger fail. Redden looks a gun for us

 

[Hollow Knight]

Epic fail for the Lions here. They had the opportunity to draft the local lad from the Coast, who slid past their 2nd Pick & he only polled 1 less vote than their first pick.

Yet we drafted Jack Redden who is 18 months younger, only averages 2 less disposals than Beams (but wins more contested possessions) and averages more tackles.

Massive loss there.

LMAO at people calling Beams a Simon Black clone. Redden is the one. Watch him play and you'll see. Utterly fearless and extracts the pill. Jason Dunstall has a massive man-crush on him already.

Epic fail indeed.

Redden is amazing for such a young kid. In 18 months he'll be considerably ahead of where Beams is now.

 

[The Panther]

What about the clubs who had a second round pick before the Lions?

Bad deflection.

You had the opportunity to draft the local lad & land the first blow in the Lions/Gold Coast war yet overlooked him. Beams averaged more Brownlow votes per game than your 1st Pick

 

[Grimreepah]

To reinforce what I did actually say, out of those players in our squad who were able to play close to a full season, 6 of them would compare very well with Rich, if not more than that number.

More?

The fact that you had Cale Morton suggests that you were already stretching with 6.

 

[Happy_Neale]

Bad deflection.

You had the opportunity to draft the local lad & land the first blow in the Lions/Gold Coast war yet overlooked him. Beams averaged more Brownlow votes per game than your 1st Pick

Conveniantly ignored TBD's post as well did you?

 

[GREEN HAWKEYE]

Daniel Rich the AFL's answer to Greg Norman.

Rubbish!
That's an big insult to Daniel comparing him to that waste of space greg f. norman!

 

[The Panther]

Conveniantly ignored TBD's post as well did you?

I'll respond to that when you address this..

Daniel Rich - 22 Games - 6 Brownlow Votes - A Brownlow vote every 3.6 Games. Pick 7 (ex WA).
Dayne Beams - 16 Games - 5 Brownlow Votes - A Brownlow vote every 3.2 games. Pick 29 (ex QLD).

 

[Grimreepah]

I'll respond to that when you address this..

Daniel Rich - 22 Games - 6 Brownlow Votes - A Brownlow vote every 3.6 Games. Pick 7 (ex WA).
Dayne Beams - 16 Games - 5 Brownlow Votes - A Brownlow vote every 3.2 games. Pick 29 (ex QLD).

Do you think Beams is a better player than Sidebottom?

 

[Happy_Neale]

I'll respond to that when you address this..

Daniel Rich - 22 Games - 6 Brownlow Votes - A Brownlow vote every 3.6 Games. Pick 7 (ex WA).
Dayne Beams - 16 Games - 5 Brownlow Votes - A Brownlow vote every 3.2 games. Pick 29 (ex QLD).

Looks good to me, Rich the highest vote getter from last years draft IIRC. Now for the reply you promised?

 

[ryzket]

I'll respond to that when you address this..

Daniel Rich - 22 Games - 6 Brownlow Votes - A Brownlow vote every 3.6 Games. Pick 7 (ex WA).
Dayne Beams - 16 Games - 5 Brownlow Votes - A Brownlow vote every 3.2 games. Pick 29 (ex QLD).

Are you actually implying that Beams was better than Rich? Incredible.

If by chance you really need an explanation - Rich would have been in the top 8 or so on the ground on many other games that he played, yet gets no recognition because of the voting system. Beams was very much hot and cold - the games he didn't poll he likely had very little impact on the game.

Rich > Beams.

 

[The Panther]

Do you think Beams is a better player than Sidebottom?

That's a tough ? to ponder. Unlike Daniel Rich, Steele Sidebottom didn't impersonate Chuck Norris & go MIA (in September). 30 disposals on Bernie Vince, who was the inform player of the AFL, in a finals win & easily our best player.

Rich on the other hand was a flop in September (as the thread indicates, poor when it counts)

 

[EagleMan87]

Are you actually implying that Beams was better than Rich? Incredible.

If by chance you really need an explanation - Rich would have been in the top 8 or so on the ground on many other games that he played, yet gets no recognition because of the voting system. Beams was very much hot and cold - the games he didn't poll he likely had very little impact on the game.

Rich > Beams.

This

 

[Happy_Neale]

I'll respond to that when you address this..

Daniel Rich - 22 Games - 6 Brownlow Votes - A Brownlow vote every 3.6 Games. Pick 7 (ex WA).
Dayne Beams - 16 Games - 5 Brownlow Votes - A Brownlow vote every 3.2 games. Pick 29 (ex QLD).

Looks good to me, Rich the highest vote getter from last years draft IIRC. Now for the reply you promised?

Still waiting mate...

 

[Grimreepah]

That's a tough ? to ponder. Unlike Daniel Rich, Steele Sidebottom didn't impersonate Chuck Norris & go MIA (in September).

If you take out the St Kilda and Geelong games, Sidebottom had a very good finals series.

 

[The Panther]

If you take out the St Kilda and Geelong games, Sidebottom had a very good finals series.

& if you take out Fremantle & the Geelong VFL squad, Rich wouldn't have received a Brownlow vote..