Melbourne have made an official PSD play for Ball.

[doggiesin08]

Luke won't nominate for the PSD.

He will not want to play for Melbourne. They are still years away from any success.

Luke will also not stay with the Saints. Rossy shafted him all year and did the same again during trade week. Too much bad blood.

IMO he will nominate for the National Draft in the hope of getting drafted by Collingwood at pick 30.

Does this effect his ability to demand or earn a certain salary other than a draftees pay? Not sure whether you can even renegotiated a 1st/2nd year contract to make it more, have a feeling you can't. If this is the case he probably wouldn't be too keen.

 

[doggiesin08]

Would be interesting though if he completely closed up show, refused to speak to any of the clubs or go through their medical checks. Surely clubs wouldn't take a punt on a bloke with a 800k price tag on his head that they hadn't spoken to or checked over, also knowing he didn't want to go to your club.

I doubt it'd happen because I don't think Ball is going to really go out of his way for us from now, but it'd be interesting to see how it unfolded.

As just said above, I don't think you can put a price on your own head for the ND like you can with the PSD. Can anyone clear this up?

 

[demon48]

I've posted this elsewhere, but it's somewhat relevant here too - couldn't it just be as simple as all this?:

- Luke Ball's current contract with St Kilda expires on October 31, effectively making him a 'free agent' without a club who still has to go through the draft process.
- After October 31, Luke Ball makes an official statement through the media that he "only wants to play for Collingwood in 2010" and that he "rufuses to deal with any other club and/or play for any other club in 2010", thereby warning off other clubs from picking him in either the National Draft or Pre-Season Draft.
- Collingwood then expresses official interest in Ball after he has made this statement (and after his St Kilda contract has officially expired), so as not to have dirt-diggers accusing them of publically 'tampering with the draft' or anything silly like that. They would have obviously come to a good-faith agreement with Ball that they would indeed draft him (given the chance) prior to this (similar to what happened with Ben Cousins and Richmond last year), as I imagine they are allowed to do with any other eligible draftee.
- On November 26, other AFL clubs heed Ball's words that he'll refuse to play for them if they select him, and (just as other clubs conceeded and agreed to leave Ben Cousins for Richmond last year) Collingwood then use pick #30 in the National Draft to secure Luke Ball's services.

Can anyone pick any flaws/incorrectness/impossibilities/variables with that scenario? In the scenario I laid out, Melbourne would be making fools of themselves if they 'panicked' and decided to pick Ball in the National Draft anyway (before he falls to Collingwood's pick), as he would have already made it perfectly clear a few weeks before the National Draft that he doesn't want to deal with and/or play with any club but Collingwood in 2010. And obviously he wouldn't be able to be picked by Melbourne in the PSD if he's already gone by then.

I'm pretty sure Collingwood tried this years ago with a bloke by the name of Brett Chalmers. Rated him highly before the draft period. Ended up being penalised and I think they had to trade him to Adelaide. Who later traded him to Port. And he ended up being a dud.

 

[The Panther]

You can put a price on your head in the ND.

At St. Kilda, Ball was on a contract @ $400 K / year.
I believe Collingwood offered $500 K / year over 3 years.
You can "front end" the contract in the first year, i.e. $800 K for Year 1, $350 K for Years 2 & 3, to price certain clubs out of it.

 

[HFF]

Does this effect his ability to demand or earn a certain salary other than a draftees pay? Not sure whether you can even renegotiated a 1st/2nd year contract to make it more, have a feeling you can't. If this is the case he probably wouldn't be too keen.

Rules have changed.

Players now have the choice of entering the National of PSD.

In choosing either option, they can nominate any price tag too.

Ball could easily suggest he wants a contract of say $800K for 1yr via the National Draft.

So, IF he wishes to get to Collingwood and wants to scare off a few clubs, this is what he can do.

 

[doggiesin08]

Thanks guys, you've spoken about front ended contracts though. In the PSD I believe the nominated figure has to go into the clubs salary cap for at least the next 2 seasons (and then you could have less from then on). Is this the same with putting a price on your head for the ND?

 

[Snake Livermore]

Ok, I know this is slightly off topic, but if Luke Ball can put a price on his head in the ND, what is to stop Trengrove, Scully et al from putting a wage demand on their heads?

 

[Invigoration]

As just said above, I don't think you can put a price on your own head for the ND like you can with the PSD. Can anyone clear this up?

Barry Hall just said the other day he'd expect an extra 50k if he went through the ND

 

[HFF]

Ok, I know this is slightly off topic, but if Luke Ball can put a price on his head in the ND, what is to stop Trengrove, Scully et al from putting a wage demand on their heads?

Rules are different for players already in the system with exisiting or to be expired contracts.

Obviously when you are coming from the u/18 competition or trying to get drafted, you cannot nominate anything.

 

[bodazoka]

Would he really last untill #30 though?? even with a huge contract there are still 10 clubs who could have a crack at him after the first round.

Melbourne, Richmond, Essendon (2 picks), North (2 Picks) and Geelong as Vic clubs with picks before Collingwood. Brisbane, Fremantle, West Coast (2 Picks), Brisbane (trade capital of the world) and Adelaide as non Vic's with picks before you. I dont see it happening.

If he is dead set against playing for StKilda then he will have to take his chances at landing with one of the Vic clubs in the second round or play for Melbourne through the PSD.

Surely he will sign with the Saints again...

 

[HFF]

Would he really last untill #30 though?? even with a huge contract there are still 10 clubs who could have a crack at him after the first round.

Melbourne, Richmond, Essendon (2 picks), North (2 Picks) and Geelong as Vic clubs with picks before Collingwood. Brisbane, Fremantle, West Coast (2 Picks), Brisbane (trade capital of the world) and Adelaide as non Vic's with picks before you. I dont see it happening.

If he is dead set against playing for StKilda then he will have to take his chances at landing with one of the Vic clubs in the second round or play for Melbourne through the PSD.

Surely he will sign with the Saints again...

Don't think he will re-sign with the Saints. It seems like there is very bad blood there with Lyon.

I think Luke will definitely get passed the first 20 selection IMO. It is the next 10 that he would have to survive.

His chances are alot better than the PSD.

He will nominate IMO with a very big price tag and most likely nominate a 1yr deal too to boot.

If Pies still want him they will assure him of selecting him at pick 30.

Whether he gets there or not is another matter.

 

[maddog37]

What about a year off to help his OP and then named as captain of Gold Coast on mega bucks.

Maybe some development role with GC17 while he rests.

 

[jakson68]

If he goes to Melbourne, he will have a very good chance of playing in a grand final in a few years time, considering he is still pretty young.

I honestly don't see Collingwood challenging for some time, as they have a decent side, but lack the quality to go all the way.

sorry mate but you are dreaming

 

[vesra]

Tbh I'd be happy either way. Its Melbourne or Saints. Remember O'Keefe didn't he win B&F this year? Its win/win at this point, he's a great player to keep at the club but if he goes to Melbourne I'd be happy because I like Melbourne and wouldn't mind seeing them bag a quality player.

 

[tenacious d]

Don't think he will re-sign with the Saints. It seems like there is very bad blood there with Lyon.

I think Luke will definitely get passed the first 20 selection IMO. It is the next 10 that he would have to survive.

His chances are alot better than the PSD.

He will nominate IMO with a very big price tag and most likely nominate a 1yr deal too to boot.

If Pies still want him they will assure him of selecting him at pick 30.

Whether he gets there or not is another matter.

Can you nominate a 1 year deal in the ND? I know kids are drafted for 2 years, not sure about uncontracted players.

It's reported Melbourne are $500,000 short of minimum payments, don't think any monetary figure that other clubs can afford will scare us off. Having said that I wouldn't use a pick higher than 34 for him so its PSD or not at all.

 

[HFF]

Can you nominate a 1 year deal in the ND? I know kids are drafted for 2 years, not sure about uncontracted players.

It's reported Melbourne are $500,000 short of minimum payments, don't think any monetary figure that other clubs can afford will scare us off. Having said that I wouldn't use a pick higher than 34 for him so its PSD or not at all.

Pretty sure the player can nominate any terms he wishes.

And as you say, Melb would be highly unlikely to use a pick before 30 on him.

So, if he does leave the Saints and nominates for the draft, it is certainly in the hope of being drafted by the Pies at pick 30.

 

[theriddler]

If he has any brains he will sign with Melbourne for 1 year, and then look at his options with Gold Coast and others in 2010

 

[stickman11]

We have some spare cash...
Harves has said we're using our PSD pick this year

Your lot a further of than us... I know Ball rejected the saints - wouldn't say we were five years off. Perhaps 2-3 off finals. Ball would be great for the dee's. Great club!

 

[stickman11]

sorry mate but you are dreaming

Collingwood missed their chance this year. Dream on son. Dream on. Melbourne in two years will have a better list than Collingwood. Collingwood is short of young talent

 

[Invigoration]

Don't think he will re-sign with the Saints. It seems like there is very bad blood there with Lyon.

I think Luke will definitely get passed the first 20 selection IMO. It is the next 10 that he would have to survive.

His chances are alot better than the PSD.

He will nominate IMO with a very big price tag and most likely nominate a 1yr deal too to boot.

If Pies still want him they will assure him of selecting him at pick 30.

Whether he gets there or not is another matter.

I can't say I agree. I cbf'd finding the article, I think it is on the Saints website but it sounds like Lyon will definitely take him back if Ball wants back.

Lyon said something along the lines of, "he has two options, train hard and work his way back into a vital role at the club, or nominate for the PSD".
Sounded like he'd prefer to get him back IMO.

 

[jayjones1]

Pretty sure the player can nominate any terms he wishes.

And as you say, Melb would be highly unlikely to use a pick before 30 on him.

So, if he does leave the Saints and nominates for the draft, it is certainly in the hope of being drafted by the Pies at pick 30.

dude give it up he is not going to the pies

 

[Invigoration]

Collingwood missed their chance this year. Dream on son. Dream on. Melbourne in two years will have a better list than Collingwood. Collingwood is short of young talent

Go make a poll on the polls board and list each teams players under 23.

See who the neutral's think have a better list. I doubt you'll be pleased.

 

[BEEG]

Collingwood missed their chance this year. Dream on son. Dream on. Melbourne in two years will have a better list than Collingwood. Collingwood is short of young talent

LOL but no one wants to play for your club look at Mcclean he left (Future Captain) Davey wanted to leave Green last year wanted to leave your a very average club with some good young kids no supporters (Only when your winning they show up and it has always been like that) and really no heart pretty piss weak that you blokes were waiting for deals to stuff up if you wanted him so bad you should of made a offer but hay read the above and you will realize why you didnt make a offer

BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY FOR THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB

 

[bradrowe#32]

Collingwood missed their chance this year. Dream on son. Dream on. Melbourne in two years will have a better list than Collingwood. Collingwood is short of young talent

Are you sure you want to go there?

Talk is very cheap.

Under 23: Anthony, Beams, N. Brown, Cloke, Dawes, Dick, McCarthy, O'Brien, Pendlebury, Reid, Sidebottom, Wellingham and Wood.

Plus guys like Didak, Swan, Shaw and Maxwell still in their prime.

We had a younger team than you did on Queens Birthday and we smashed you after you produced another typical limp, gutless effort.

Plus we have a winning culture. Most of these guys have played finals for the past four years instead of tanking. Great "winning" culture.

Embarrassing comments on your behalf.

 

[transmed_999]

I've posted this elsewhere, but it's somewhat relevant here too - couldn't it just be as simple as all this?:

- Luke Ball's current contract with St Kilda expires on October 31, effectively making him a 'free agent' without a club who still has to go through the draft process.
- After October 31, Luke Ball makes an official statement through the media that he "only wants to play for Collingwood in 2010" and that he "rufuses to deal with any other club and/or play for any other club in 2010", thereby warning off other clubs from picking him in either the National Draft or Pre-Season Draft.
- Collingwood then expresses official interest in Ball after he has made this statement (and after his St Kilda contract has officially expired), so as not to have dirt-diggers accusing them of publically 'tampering with the draft' or anything silly like that. They would have obviously come to a good-faith agreement with Ball that they would indeed draft him (given the chance) prior to this (similar to what happened with Ben Cousins and Richmond last year), as I imagine they are allowed to do with any other eligible draftee.
- On November 26, other AFL clubs heed Ball's words that he'll refuse to play for them if they select him, and (just as other clubs conceeded and agreed to leave Ben Cousins for Richmond last year) Collingwood then use pick #30 in the National Draft to secure Luke Ball's services.

Can anyone pick any flaws/incorrectness/impossibilities/variables with that scenario? In the scenario I laid out, Melbourne would be making fools of themselves if they 'panicked' and decided to pick Ball in the National Draft anyway (before he falls to Collingwood's pick), as he would have already made it perfectly clear a few weeks before the National Draft that he doesn't want to deal with and/or play with any club but Collingwood in 2010. And obviously he wouldn't be able to be picked by Melbourne in the PSD if he's already gone by then.