thats why i wrote you can be sure franklin won't lol
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Heath Shaw or Luke Hodge?
Heath Shaw or Luke Hodge?
Hodge looks a lot more consistent to me but Shaw can have those big 140 games. I would go Hodge just because he is a safer bet but let me tell you he will be very popular this year
Joel MacDonald or Xavier Ellis?
Hodge looks a lot more consistent to me but Shaw can have those big 140 games. I would go Hodge just because he is a safer bet but let me tell you he will be very popular this year
Joel MacDonald or Xavier Ellis?
Both have shown potential they can be keepers. MacDonald comes with the risk of an uncertain role after changing clubs, this could be good or bad but I dont think he will go backwards.
Ellis, loads of potential but has an injury curse the last year or two.
I'd take MacDonald on the trust he will be used as a link man and bump his average up enough to remain in your team as your 7th back.
Sidebottom or Dangerfield?
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Danger is entering his third year (2nd at the club) and should begin a promising career in the midfield. He is cheaper than Sidebottom, more experienced than Sidebottom and will play a better role than Sidebottom. So on that note I would go with the Dangermouse
1. Swift
2. Ebert
3. Masten
Masten has a pretty poor PPD so he comes last. I don't want to start that argument again about wether it is a useful stat or not but in this case when comparing these players it is convenient.
Ebert comes in a close second. He averaged a tick under 80 in the last 12 rounds and priced at an average of 72.1 you could say he is underpriced. A breakout years looms for Ebert and he could increase his average by 10-20ppg.
Swift comes first due to his average of 90 in his last 6 games
. He averaged 37 points in his first four games which brought his average down to 68.6. I assume he struggled early on while he was still adjusting to the speed of AFL but that should be behind him now and a good year in the side beckons. He is extremely underpriced and will be a unique pick next year imo. Only worries for me are his injuriesDeledio or O'Keefe?
thanx for the post i want to try and get one of those west coast boys in my mid and looks like it will be a toss up between swift and ebert.
right Deledio vs O'Keefe
I would probably choose Deledio just because i can see some him improving by about 5-10ppg this year. I thought 09 was a bit of a struggle for Lids mainly with the tags, i can see him coping with them this year and the Richmond midfield looks like it will get better so he wont be the main target to shutdown.
But you always know your gonna get a very durable and reliable scorer in O'Keefe, and the price between them isnt much so you will get a good Dter no matter which one you choose.
right Deledio vs O'Keefe
I would probably choose Deledio just because i can see some him improving by about 5-10ppg this year. I thought 09 was a bit of a struggle for Lids mainly with the tags, i can see him coping with them this year and the Richmond midfield looks like it will get better so he wont be the main target to shutdown.
But you always know your gonna get a very durable and reliable scorer in O'Keefe, and the price between them isnt much so you will get a good Dter no matter which one you choose.
thanx for the post i want to try and get one of those west coast boys in my mid and looks like it will be a toss up between swift and ebert.
right Deledio vs O'Keefe
I would probably choose Deledio just because i can see some him improving by about 5-10ppg this year. I thought 09 was a bit of a struggle for Lids mainly with the tags, i can see him coping with them this year and the Richmond midfield looks like it will get better so he wont be the main target to shutdown.
But you always know your gonna get a very durable and reliable scorer in O'Keefe, and the price between them isnt much so you will get a good Dter no matter which one you choose.
Difficult decision this one.
Both players proven to be DT guns, both durable and both with the capabilities to improve from last years average.
If Lids can work on breaking the tag, something he struggled with last year. I think he could be a great pick. He also seemed to be a slow starter, but picked up in the 2nd half of the game. If he can imrpove his first halfs, he could easily improve his average by at least 5-10ppg.
When moved into the midfield last year, O'Keefe became a DT machine, racking up high possi's and tackling like a madman! Its a question weather or not he will continue his role in the midfield (I personally believe he will) or if he will go back to the half forward flank?
If he continues with his midfield role i would personally go for ROK, otherwise i would go for Lids.
O'Keefe will definitely play in the midfield this year. Jack will be released up forward and Bevan is hoping to start a role up forward too. With the addition of McGlynn and him hopefully playing a forward flank role you can almost be certain O'Keefe will play midfield again
With Hawkins priced at 313k and Kennedy at 343k I wonder what you want out of these players? Are you hoping they can improve to a keeper or be a cash cow? Both are bad choices in my opinion but if I was to pick one then I would go with Kennedy and hope he can improve his average my 10-15 points
If you want a KP around that price range I would suggest that Roughead or even Bradshaw might have a gun year playing for the swannies.
I for one have decided this year to not have Key forwards in my forward line because I find they're too inconsistent and i wanted my forward line to be renowned for consistency. My only key forward is Pavlich because he can play in the midfield and is a bargain this year.
Current forward line- O'Keefe, Deledio, Pavlich, Harvey, Rioli, Dangerfield, Trengove
O'Keefe will definitely play in the midfield this year. Jack will be released up forward and Bevan is hoping to start a role up forward too. With the addition of McGlynn and him hopefully playing a forward flank role you can almost be certain O'Keefe will play midfield again
In that case.
O'Keefe!
Also. Nice forward line you have there! My only question mark is Harvey. Do you think his age will limit his scoring capabilites?
That could easily change though swans4eva, what if Deledio and Trengove isn't a forward? Harvey is 30k more (88 avg not 82 avg) would you still keep him?
Thanks
Harvey is one of those players I just selected without really considering him completely. I need one of those borderline premium players around the 350-390k mark and going on my logic earlier with them not being KP's, I thought Harvey looked the most inviting. As Chad pointed out before which I now know, Fan footy may have quite possibly listed his average wrong which may cause me to rethink his position in my side. I am very interested in Chris Knights at this stage if such a thing was to occur
I understand this could change but I have a list of player who I would like to have in my team in the forwards but couldn't fit in. Most of those players aren't Key players and that is just my own personal theory that KP's tend to not work as well.
I didn't know that about Harvey and if that is the case then i suppose I won't keep him and bring in one of the players i listed above. At the moment I am not making assumptions on player positions but listing them in the categories fan footy has provided. If they turn out to be wrong then I will deal with it then
I have said this before, but Ill say it again - expect Okeefe to get a heck of a lot more attention in 2010. There are a couple that may attract tags (shaw, mcveigh, goodes though he will be playing CHF) however I think Okeefe's ball winning ability (massive tank hence highly influencial throughout a game) and his polished skills mean that he may even become the number one target for taggers if he plays full time MF.
That said, he is having another absolutely ripping preseason, is extremely durable and should be good for a 90 average at least regardless. Im just not sure of his upside (particularly in the first half of the season), or whether he may be able to be picked up cheaper later in the year. Whilst he did average 122.2 between rounds 8 and 16, so there is upside (and big upside), IMO once teams started to take note of this, he started getting some attention and his scores suffered. He was tagged a number of times over the last 6 rounds, and he only averaged 86.17 during this time.
A lot to think about...
That said, he is having another absolutely ripping preseason, is extremely durable and should be good for a 90 average at least regardless. Im just not sure of his upside (particularly in the first half of the season), or whether he may be able to be picked up cheaper later in the year. Whilst he did average 122.2 between rounds 8 and 16, so there is upside (and big upside), IMO once teams started to take note of this, he started getting some attention and his scores suffered. He was tagged a number of times over the last 6 rounds, and he only averaged 86.17 during this time.
A lot to think about...
Alternatives Lakey? without breaking the bank...
I've currently got O'Keefe, Deledio, Pav, Harvey and Rioli as my keepers/premiums
Would you consider Goodes or even Sylvia better options than Rhino?
I think that the forward keepers/premiums are very challenging - Ill share my thoughts on face value of the players.
- Chapman, Didak, S.Johnson, Sylvia, Higgins, Knights, Byrnes, Gia and Murphy have injury concerns
- Franklin and Petrie have suspensions for the first round or two
- B.Johnson, Akermanis, Lockyer, Harvey are all ageing
- Fevola is at a new club and im not sure how having JB there will influence both their scorings
- Riewoldt is very expensive and had that knee concern which does worry me
- Lynch is durable, but I think he doesn’t have much upside particularly now that his ruck time will be very limited due to the rise of naitanui
- Okeefe has the potential worry of tags IMO
- Pavlich is being talked up for his return forward, but he has still missed 3 games in each of the last 2 years
- Im not sure deledio will be a forward
- Goodes doesn’t seem to have as many concerns, except perhaps about his scoring as a FT half forward and the fact he may be fully priced
So, I dont think there is anything rock solid ATM and thus picking the right forward premiums and hoping they come off might be crucial to DT in 2010.
- Chapman, Didak, S.Johnson, Sylvia, Higgins, Knights, Byrnes, Gia and Murphy have injury concerns
- Franklin and Petrie have suspensions for the first round or two
- B.Johnson, Akermanis, Lockyer, Harvey are all ageing
- Fevola is at a new club and im not sure how having JB there will influence both their scorings
- Riewoldt is very expensive and had that knee concern which does worry me
- Lynch is durable, but I think he doesn’t have much upside particularly now that his ruck time will be very limited due to the rise of naitanui
- Okeefe has the potential worry of tags IMO
- Pavlich is being talked up for his return forward, but he has still missed 3 games in each of the last 2 years
- Im not sure deledio will be a forward
- Goodes doesn’t seem to have as many concerns, except perhaps about his scoring as a FT half forward and the fact he may be fully priced
So, I dont think there is anything rock solid ATM and thus picking the right forward premiums and hoping they come off might be crucial to DT in 2010.
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atm im only interested in Deledio, O'Keefe, Pavlich, Higgins and Franklin out of that list. All of them have upside but as you have said have their concerns
same but + Gia for me.
Im looking to only take 2,3 premiums/keepers into my starting squad in the forwards and spending money elsewhere.
I think the forwards tend to drop more in value due to other positions because of the attention they recieve from defenders and the reliance they have on kicking goals and their side doing well in that game. For this im selecting less forward keepers and am going in with the thinking that quite alot of the forwards could drop early in price. Ive already got my eyes on Riewoldt, SJ, JB ect and there will be more.
I'd agree with most of that. but, sylvia has discipline problems rather than injury problems
Harvey might be getting on but his body hasn't shown any signs of aging. there are still no signs or reports of him having soft tissue injuries that seem to plague older players
Roo had knee concerns at the start of last season as well, look how that turned out
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What injury concerns does Sylvia have?
Priced at an average of 74 and 68 respectively, obviously you'd want to be keeping them for the year. What exactly makes them bad choices? All you've done is state how expensive they are. There's a good chance both of them could increase there averages by 10-15 points per game which would put them in the low end keeper category. They're both entering the time of their careers where KPF's tend to breakout. They're both highly rated youngsters who have shown glimpses of being dominant key forwards at AFL level. Kennedy will be the focal point in an improving Eagles side while Hawkins will continue to have a number of goals served up to him on a silver platter by the Cats midfield. If he can develop into even a half decent forward he should score well.
It's not a matter of wanting a KPP just for the sake of it so there's not much point suggesting Roughead or Bradshaw, who IMO have very little upside given how deep in the forward line they play.
Discounting key forwards due to inconsistency is naive. I can understand it for premiums because you'd prefer to pick them up later at a lower price but not with players on the improve. Who cares if they're inconsistent as long as they're scoring well enough. Did that stop you from picking Franklin in '08? I can see just as much improvement from these two young forwards as I can from someone like Rioli.
Brown v Pavlich
Just wondering what are peoples thoughts on these two players?
Pavlich - Moved into the midfield in 2009 and his numbers were reduced. He has shown in the past to be durable. Assuming the reports are correct, do you think a move back into the midfield will result in better DT figures?
Brown - Most years he is a player that you normally wait to have a string of two bad games before picking him up on the cheap. He now has Fevola playing in the same side, so no longer will they be able to triple team Brown. He may move up the ground and get those lovely cheap marks. Will a move up the ground have the same result as Pavlich?
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I am unsure at which option is best, I normally stay away from tall marking forwards and prefer the midfielder forwards. Is this the year to change tactics?
Just wondering what are peoples thoughts on these two players?
Pavlich - Moved into the midfield in 2009 and his numbers were reduced. He has shown in the past to be durable. Assuming the reports are correct, do you think a move back into the midfield will result in better DT figures?
Brown - Most years he is a player that you normally wait to have a string of two bad games before picking him up on the cheap. He now has Fevola playing in the same side, so no longer will they be able to triple team Brown. He may move up the ground and get those lovely cheap marks. Will a move up the ground have the same result as Pavlich?
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I am unsure at which option is best, I normally stay away from tall marking forwards and prefer the midfielder forwards. Is this the year to change tactics?
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Impossible question imo. I have both atm but that could change.
I had Brown from the start last year and he sucked early on I think if that helps. He does play Carlton in Round 2 though so there's 150 straight away.
I had Brown from the start last year and he sucked early on I think if that helps. He does play Carlton in Round 2 though so there's 150 straight away.
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