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Paddy_Mac said:
They highlighted it perfectly, there is no way Hansen was in our best players.
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He was also one of only 3 blokes in the side that had a DE% of over 80%.

He also took the 3rd highest amount of contested marks on the ground.

They also forgot to mention there was about 12 other players who had around 4 clangers.

And two soft off the ball incidents were included in his 5 clangers.

And those others weren't playing on the best player in the competition.




Did they call Brian Lake and Presti ball watchers when he ripped them new arseh*le's in the finals last year?



I doubt it.

How can a ball watcher lead a forward to the ball on a number of occassions?

What other 21 year old would have the balls to do that?


Basically they have NFI.

As do most others on here, it's as if they want him to fail, he has been in our top 3 players the last 2 games.

There's plenty of others that can have the boot layed into them, well before Lachie on this years performances.
 
Better Loosen Up said:
Can someone please explain to me what Tarrant has done during the NAB cup to warrant selection because I am clearly missing something?

From the Geelong and Fremantle game I saw, he was beaten on both occasions, he looked lost and purely and simply just not up to it.

To me it looked like he needs to string a significant amount of games together in the VFL which he hasn't had the luxury of doing so far in his career before he is ready to take the next step at AFL level.

I can not think of a single key defender currently in our 22 who is worse than Tarrant at this particular point in time.
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You are missing somthing.


We want Tarrant to play as a CHF, not FB.


Also, Tarrant has played VFL matches the last 3 weeks, all be it practice matches.

He's kicked around 10 goals playing as a FF/CHF.
 

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Pykie said:
He was also one of only 3 blokes in the side that had a DE% of over 80%.

He also took the 3rd highest amount of contested marks on the ground.

They also forgot mention there was about 12 other players who had around 4 clangers.

And those others weren't playing on the best player in the competition.




Did they call Brian Lake and Presti ball watchers when he ripped them new arseh*le's in the finals last year?



I doubt it.

How can a ball watcher lead a forward to the ball on a number of occassions?

What other 21 year old would have the balls to do that?


Basically they have NFI.

As do most others on here, it's as if they want him to fail, he has been in our top 3 players the last 2 games.

There's plenty of others that can have the boot layed into them, well before Lachie on this years performances.
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All defenders should have a good DE% because they have it the easiest. It's not like they're trying to pinpoint players in the forward line they're simply kicking it to space. Hansen is a good marker but other than that his disposal is really lacking. He made some stupid kicking mistakes which caused turnovers. How many turnovers were there in the backline. Not all were Hansen's btw. We all knew Watt couldn't kick yet he constantly got over 80% efficiency. Hansen made mistakes, he was off his man and gave away goals. All I'm saying is whilst he tried, he wasn't in my top 3 players.
 
Paddy_Mac said:
All defenders should have a good DE% because they have it the easiest. It's not like they're trying to pinpoint players in the forward line they're simply kicking it to space. Hansen is a good marker but other than that his disposal is really lacking. He made some stupid kicking mistakes which caused turnovers. How many turnovers were there in the backline. Not all were Hansen's btw. We all knew Watt couldn't kick yet he constantly got over 80% efficiency. Hansen made mistakes, he was off his man and gave away goals. All I'm saying is whilst he tried, he wasn't in my top 3 players.
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Excuse me?

Did you see that paddock last night that they had to kick into?

It had about 19 Saints players squeezing it.

Hitting targets deep from defensive is far from easy this day and age, its probably the hardest spot on the ground.


Hansens disposal by foot is actually very good, his decision making at times can be lacking.

They are two seperate things.
 
year of the roo said:
We need toughness in the middle. I called for it last week, but obviously Greenwood and Cunnington aren't ready yet. Get them in there ASAP. Cunnington this week, maybe Greenwood next.

Ross out. Just not up to it. Ditto Urquhart. Wright either needs to be moved to the midfield or forward, or go back to the VFL and work out how not to be utter shit in the defensive 50.

In - McMahon, Harding, Cunnington
Out - Ross, Urquhart, Swallow

Massive rocket for Thompson and Wells. Harvey will bounce back, no rocket required.
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Toughness is not the issue at all. Have a look at our midfield, its full of one paced plodders. I love Ziebell, but he isn't going to burst away from a pack anytime soon, more likely to bust through it. Swallow good extractor, but no pace. Bastinac 2nd gamer can't expect him to set the world on fire yet. Wells is lost and Boomer isn't hardly playing in the midfield. Anthony is a ball magnet, but by no means quick.

I think we need to inject Harding into that midfield to get some pace to release the ball to. At the moment we have all these in and under players and no one to feed it to.
 
Pykie said:
There's plenty of others that can have the boot layed into them, well before Lachie on this years performances.
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Absolutely. The Saints simply had 12 blokes equally spaced between the 50s every time it went into our backline.

The 12 blokes we had on them were the ball watchers or witches hats. Don't really recall too many times they stopped the ball going into the backline in the first place or providing much run or targets to help get it out.

Most of the Saints goals were from turnovers. Our players could not even beat them at draughts.
 
Pykie said:
You are missing somthing.


We want Tarrant to play as a CHF, not FB.


Also, Tarrant has played VFL matches the last 3 weeks, all be it practice matches.

He's kicked around 10 goals playing as a FF/CHF.
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WE want Tarrant to play as a forward. Brad Scott showed his intentions of playing him down back.

So he's kicked 10 goals at a level well below AFL in "practice matches"?

He is still miles off being the answer to any of our problems at this particular time.
 
It seems like people don't really understand what clangers are. Hansen had a couple silly free kicks against that count as clangers, including the Riewoldt dive. His disposal was very clean for the most part.
 
Better Loosen Up said:
WE want Tarrant to play as a forward. Brad Scott showed his intentions of playing him down back.

So he's kicked 10 goals at a level well below AFL in "practice matches"?

He is still miles off being the answer to any of our problems at this particular time.
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Going by reports, Tarrant's VFL form sounds OK without being outstanding. He probably needs a fair bit more time if he's only just started playing forward again. It sounds like Edwards and Black have been doing more but that might have something to do with NB being stronger.
 
Here's a stat that I find interesting and proves my point clearly
Players over 80 Eff%
Wright 100%
Rawlings 91%
Urquhart 90%
Grima 88%
Campbell 87%
Hansen 84%

Apart from Campbell, all of those players played in the backline last night, now you can't tell me how they have it the hardest.
 

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Better Loosen Up said:
WE want Tarrant to play as a forward. Brad Scott showed his intentions of playing him down back.

So he's kicked 10 goals at a level well below AFL in "practice matches"?

He is still miles off being the answer to any of our problems at this particular time.
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So you would persist with Corey Jones at CHF?


FWIW - Scott Moved Tarrant to CHF for the last quarter of the Dockers game.
 
At this particular point in time, Yes i would pick Jones. In fact I would pick Edwards and Josh smith ahead of Tarrant as well.

You've got to be fair to Tarrant and give him some time to settle in to playing football every week and develop as a player which he hasn't had the chance to do yet in his career.

I don't see how bringing him in to the team right now is the best thing for him or the team. At this point in time, he is not up to it.

Now whilst I say that right now I would pick Jones, Edwards and Smith ahead of him, I would certainly hope that 12 months down the track it would be the exact opposite as he has more upside than all of them.

My point is that I just don't think he's ready yet from what I've seen of him.
 
Better Loosen Up said:
At this particular point in time, Yes i would pick Jones. In fact I would pick Edwards and Josh smith ahead of Tarrant as well.

You've got to be fair to Tarrant and give him some time to settle in to playing football every week and develop as a player which he hasn't had the chance to do yet in his career.

I don't see how bringing him in to the team right now is the best thing for him or the team. At this point in time, he is not up to it.

Now whilst I say that right now I would pick Jones, Edwards and Smith ahead of him, I would certainly hope that 12 months down the track it would be the exact opposite as he has more upside than all of them.

My point is that I just don't think he's ready yet from what I've seen of him.
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I think Taz is better off playing against guys his own size (AFL), than the smaller guys in the VFL. I'm not his biggest fan, but right now we're crying out for a big key forward, and getting games into him can only help fast track his development.
 

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Paddy_Mac said:
Maybe you were looking at the wrong row, Hansen in bold 5 clangers, below Wells had 3.
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We have been through this before but you seem to be struggling. 2 of his "clangers" were free kicks against, including the Riewoldt dive.

3 clangers from his disposal, hit the target 84% of the time. Pretty simple stuff.
 
NiceCunnington said:
Hansen had 3 clangers from his disposal. Hit the target 84% of the time.
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Yeah, he also had 11 marks and 19 disposals. Only had 4 goals kicked on him, a couple which should have gone his way.

To put it into perspective for people:

Wells, our supposed most skilled player had 3 clangers (not sure how many FA make up this total) from 15 disposals.

Harvey had 3 clangers from 5 disposals.
 
NiceCunnington said:
We have been through this before but you seem to be struggling. 2 of his "clangers" were free kicks against, including the Riewoldt dive.

3 clangers from his disposal, hit the target 84% of the time. Pretty simple stuff.
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I've never associated free kicks against as a clanger. But it looks like you're right.
 
breeno said:
I think Taz is better off playing against guys his own size (AFL), than the smaller guys in the VFL. I'm not his biggest fan, but right now we're crying out for a big key forward, and getting games into him can only help fast track his development.
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The risk with fast tracking development when a player isn't ready is that their confidence can be completely shot to shreds.

Right now, Tarrant can not offer any more than any of our forwards currently in our 22 are so there is just no point to it.
 
Riewoldt is not half as good as the duck. Imagine how many frees Duck would get under todays soft atrocious umpiring rules? Duck destroyed teams whilst being held by three blokes at a time. Duck never played for a free as the umpires gave him nothing.

Outs : CJ ( never to play again), Gav Urq. ( scared sh##less), Ross ( soft), Adams ( too slow)

Ins: Pratt ( it is now or never), Smith and or Tarrant, the Cunster( at least he is a nasty bugger), Harding
 

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