Famous DT Coaches Thread 2011 (Part 1)

[Axe]

Re: Famous DT Coaches Thread 2011

Good stuff Jolldo.

 

[makingmemark]

Re: Famous DT Coaches Thread 2011

I'm happy to take over the job of providing weekly updates and the trades each week.

Unfortunately I don't have the trade data for Team Director.

Am I getting the sack?

Last weeks trades:

Warne Dawgs
Rohan BEWICK,
Shaun HIGGINS,

Sam ILES,
Paul CHAPMAN,

Up and About
Nicholas DUIGAN,
David SWALLOW,

Corey ENRIGHT,
Sam ILES,

LemmingMasterEDT
David SWALLOW,
Dion PRESTIA,

Paul CHAPMAN,
Sam ILES,

The Baxters
Nicholas DUIGAN,
Daniel HARRIS,

Paul DUFFIELD,
Sam ILES,

CoachesBox Podcast
Nicholas DUIGAN,
Josh FRASER,

Corey ENRIGHT,
Aaron SANDILANDS,

FanFooty EDT
Andy OTTEN,
Charlie DIXON,

Luke THOMPSON,
Isaac SMITH,

30SPARTANS
Nicholas DUIGAN,
Tom LIBERATORE,

Luke THOMPSON,
Sam ILES,

The Convicts
Nicholas DUIGAN,

Cameron PEDERSEN,

vamsee EDT
Nicholas DUIGAN,
Shaun HIGGINS,

Corey ENRIGHT,
Matthew PAVLICH,

Frayed Ends FFC
Nick RIEWOLDT,
Brad GREEN,

Paul CHAPMAN,
Alex JOHNSON,

Calvinator
Rohan BEWICK,
Drew PETRIE,

Sam ILES,
Paul CHAPMAN,

Dr Dream Team
Tom LIBERATORE,
Daniel HARRIS,

Matthew BOYD,
Mitch WALLIS,

destROY
Nicholas DUIGAN,
Brandon MATERA,

Paul PUOPOLO,
Nathan FYFE,

Banana Bale
Nicholas DUIGAN,
Patrick RYDER,

Paul PUOPOLO,
Aaron SANDILANDS,

 

[Jolldo87]

Re: Famous DT Coaches Thread 2011

^ Not at all mate. If you still want to do it that's perfect.

To make it easier for you i'm happy to update the table and you can do the trades?

 

[makingmemark]

Re: Famous DT Coaches Thread 2011

^ Not at all mate. If you still want to do it that's perfect.

To make it easier for you i'm happy to update the table and you can do the trades?

Yeah, I've got very little time for DT at the moment, hence the Thursday/Friday posts. I'll try do the full report earlier in the week (trades and table) but if not, yep, help appreciated.

 

[mmmdoughnuts]

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Am I getting the sack?

Last weeks trades:
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Good stuff MMM, always appreciate the effort

 

[Hannabal]

Re: Famous DT Coaches Thread 2011

Am I getting the sack?

Last weeks trades:

Warne Dawgs
Rohan BEWICK,
Shaun HIGGINS,

Sam ILES,
Paul CHAPMAN,

Up and About
Nicholas DUIGAN,
David SWALLOW,

Corey ENRIGHT,
Sam ILES,

LemmingMasterEDT
David SWALLOW,
Dion PRESTIA,

Paul CHAPMAN,
Sam ILES,

The Baxters
Nicholas DUIGAN,
Daniel HARRIS,

Paul DUFFIELD,
Sam ILES,

CoachesBox Podcast
Nicholas DUIGAN,
Josh FRASER,

Corey ENRIGHT,
Aaron SANDILANDS,

FanFooty EDT
Andy OTTEN,
Charlie DIXON,

Luke THOMPSON,
Isaac SMITH,

30SPARTANS
Nicholas DUIGAN,
Tom LIBERATORE,

Luke THOMPSON,
Sam ILES,

The Convicts
Nicholas DUIGAN,

Cameron PEDERSEN,

vamsee EDT
Nicholas DUIGAN,
Shaun HIGGINS,

Corey ENRIGHT,
Matthew PAVLICH,

Frayed Ends FFC
Nick RIEWOLDT,
Brad GREEN,

Paul CHAPMAN,
Alex JOHNSON,

Calvinator
Rohan BEWICK,
Drew PETRIE,

Sam ILES,
Paul CHAPMAN,

Dr Dream Team
Tom LIBERATORE,
Daniel HARRIS,

Matthew BOYD,
Mitch WALLIS,

destROY
Nicholas DUIGAN,
Brandon MATERA,

Paul PUOPOLO,
Nathan FYFE,

Banana Bale
Nicholas DUIGAN,
Patrick RYDER,

Paul PUOPOLO,
Aaron SANDILANDS,

Imo, some of that trading is woeful.

 

[iluvparis]

Re: Famous DT Coaches Thread 2011

3 people trading in a player on debut!

 

[Stubz]

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Imo, some of that trading is woeful.

Agreed, I can't for the life of me understand why people would be bringing in Pederson, Wallis, I.Smith and Puopolo last week.

Also I'm a bit surprised that people would hold onto Bewick for as long as they have only to trade him out last week given his current price, job security and scoring potential. I guess it made a bit of sense given Iles was on the bubble, but I would have thought Liberatore/D.Swallow would have made better sacrificial cows then someone like Bewick.

 

[banana_bus]

Re: Famous DT Coaches Thread 2011

Agreed, I can't for the life of me understand why people would be bringing in Pederson, Wallis, I.Smith and Puopolo last week.

Also I'm a bit surprised that people would hold onto Bewick for as long as though have only to trade him out last week.

Who would you have gotten for Duigan Stubz?

My reasoning is mature age recruit, great VFL form, will get chances throughout the year... not exactly a cash cow but more a back up... cant see too many other options mate...

 

[m0nty]

Re: Famous DT Coaches Thread 2011

Agreed, I can't for the life of me understand why people would be bringing in Pederson, Wallis, I.Smith and Puopolo last week.

Pederson, yeah I'm with you there. First game was an anomaly. Wallis, Smith and Puopolo though, these are three excellent prospects. Wallis was on the bubble with a 70 vs the Pies, which is nothing to sneeze at. I was very happy trading Smith in to cover for Stevie J, he should (repeat: SHOULD) play for the rest of the year. Puopolo I can see the knocks against for JS reasons, though he did nothing wrong in his first game either.

 

[Hannabal]

Re: Famous DT Coaches Thread 2011

Agreed, I can't for the life of me understand why people would be bringing in Pederson, Wallis, I.Smith and Puopolo last week.

Also I'm a bit surprised that people would hold onto Bewick for as long as they have only to trade him out last week given his current price, job security and scoring potential. I guess it made a bit of sense given Iles was on the bubble, but I would have thought Liberatore/D.Swallow would have made better sacrificial cows then someone like Bewick.

I've held on to Bewick and really like him. He's had some bad luck, but as you say, his scoring potential is excellent. I saw first hand his 49 points in just over a quarter against the Dees when he was subbed on late in the third. There's no value in trading now and I've seen enough to know that prior to his hip injury he was getting selected.

I won't touch Puopolo due to JS, Wallis doesn't appeal to me in a Dogs line-up that is desperate for wins, Pederson clearly isn't in their thinking when it comes to best 22 calculations, and I'll at least need another look at Smith.

There seems to be a bit of desperation in some of the decision making.

 

[Stubz]

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Who would you have gotten for Duigan Stubz?

My reasoning is mature age recruit, great VFL form, will get chances throughout the year... not exactly a cash cow but more a back up... cant see too many other options mate...

I would have thought bringing in L.Thompson, upgrading Duigan or just waiting the week (see other cash cows, see how Puopolo goes, see how Duigan goes etc.) as Duigan wasn't going to lose much $$$ anyway would have been the wiser options.

Hibberd/Pederson were both mature age recruit and yes there VFL form was good but as can be seen with these two players you can have good AFL (much more notable then VFL) form and still get dropped.

Yes you could argue Hibberd/Puopolo will get chances throughout the year but its not definitely not a certainty they will. What if they get injured, what if the teams keeps winning and by large margins (aka coaches being reluctanct to change winning sides), what if there are other players on the fringe that are playing just as well, what if there is not a like for like change, what if there ressie form is not good enough, what if the VFL or AFL team have a bye, the list goes on.

I would have thought people would have been wary on trading in a player debuting given the slap in the face that Hibberd traders were given.

 

[Notorious_29]

Re: Famous DT Coaches Thread 2011

Hibberd very likely to play this week. A few bombers in doubt.

 

[Stubz]

Re: Famous DT Coaches Thread 2011

Pederson, yeah I'm with you there. First game was an anomaly. Wallis, Smith and Puopolo though, these are three excellent prospects. Wallis was on the bubble with a 70 vs the Pies, which is nothing to sneeze at. I was very happy trading Smith in to cover for Stevie J, he should (repeat: SHOULD) play for the rest of the year. Puopolo I can see the knocks against for JS reasons, though he did nothing wrong in his first game either.

Still Wallis' job security was never anything special given he was substitute in the first game plus the fact he was competing with a number of players for his position. I'm not with you there on I.Smith RE: he should play for the rest of the year, for instance Young/Ellis aren't getting a game this week and Rioli is still out injured, as well as Bruce.

From what I was hearing about his VFL form he was very lucky to be given the game he got, that is the reality of it, however the Hawthorn coaches probably know more then I do about whether or not he should have got the AFL game. I'm by no means putting him down I'm just saying its pretty hard to be sold on him after one game (yet alone no games) against an ordinary opposition with no Rioli (similar role) based on everything I've read/heard about him. I know I definitely wouldn't have been trading I.Smith in before he had even played a solitary game.

 

[dee64]

Re: Famous DT Coaches Thread 2011

Still Wallis' job security was never anything special given he was substitute in the first game plus the fact he was competing with a number of players for his position. I'm not with you there on I.Smith RE: he should play for the rest of the year, for instance Young/Ellis aren't getting a game this week and Rioli is still out injured, as well as Bruce.

From what I was hearing about his VFL form he was very lucky to be given the game he got, that is the reality of it, however the Hawthorn coaches probably know more then I do about whether or not he should have got the AFL game. I'm by no means putting him down I'm just saying its pretty hard to be sold on him after one game (yet alone no games) against an ordinary opposition with no Rioli (similar role) based on everything I've read/heard about him. I know I definitely wouldn't have been trading I.Smith in before he had even played a solitary game.

With many people having Swan, Pendelbury and A. Krak missing, Smith's DP link was a selling point. Plus playing a Friday night game, you knew that he was actually starting the game on the field.

 

[Stubz]

Re: Famous DT Coaches Thread 2011

Had a fair bit of money stockpiled from last week so I went:

Curnow -> J.Selwood
J.Grimes -> H.Shaw

Cash remaining: $7,500

I just couldn't argue with J.Selwood or H.Shaw's recent form hence the reason I brought them both in. I was tossing up whether or not I should bring in H.Shaw because of the RD13 bye but yeah with the Carlton bye it seemed like the most logical choice.

 

[nethermage]

Re: Famous DT Coaches Thread 2011

you must be very happy after their performances tonight then stubzy

 

[Stubz]

Re: Famous DT Coaches Thread 2011

you must be very happy after their performances tonight then stubzy

Yeah definitely, so glad SJ delivered me something decent, by the far the most frustrating DT player in my team to watch. He is also probably my most unique player and his late withdrawal last week made me start Matera's 59.

Buckley score is/was annoying but at least it tells me I wasn't completely insane for having him in my starting squad.

 

[favourites]

Re: Famous DT Coaches Thread 2011

Stubz super trades mate. Very happy Shaw turned out for you. On the way back to the top 100 buddy.

 

[Stubz]

Re: Famous DT Coaches Thread 2011

Stubz super trades mate. Very happy Shaw turned out for you. On the way back to the top 100 buddy.

Cheers buddy, I know he is you had massive rapts for him last year early in the pres-season as well.

I can tell you now its very hard to swallow your pride and bring someone in that burned you so hard the year before so hopefully he has indeed turned a new leaf.

 

[Gghippo]

Re: Famous DT Coaches Thread 2011

Had a fair bit of money stockpiled from last week so I went:

Curnow -> J.Selwood
J.Grimes -> H.Shaw

Cash remaining: $7,500

I just couldn't argue with J.Selwood or H.Shaw's recent form hence the reason I brought them both in. I was tossing up whether or not I should bring in H.Shaw because of the RD13 bye but yeah with the Carlton bye it seemed like the most logical choice.

10/10

Really been impressed with your trades thus far Stubz.

Just an observation, I don't think you are an aggressive trader, more methodical and calculating. I think what differentiates your trading strategy from the masses of coaches is that you are not afraid to spend extra money on performing players (buying bargains in not a priority). Adcock and Shaw are both players who many coaches at the start of the season would have avoided for a couple of reasons:
- past form slumps; and
- durability concerns

A deterrent to trading them in now would be the above two points plus the fact they are more expensive than at the start of season. I myself, and I trust I'm not alone here, find it difficult to trade in players that are significantly more expensive than at the start of the season. Maybe I'm just a tightar$e...

Anyway, by trading in these two players you have added a degree of uniqueness but also have brought in scoring power. Your side just proves you don't need that super unique player or need to take huge risks to move high up in the rankings, (or in your case maintain your ranking).

As an observer, it would be interesting to see if you could keep your level trading head if you were sitting with a ranking of 20,000... Unfortunately, I don't think we will see this this year...

Good luck for the rest of the week

 

[Stubz]

Re: Famous DT Coaches Thread 2011

10/10

Really been impressed with your trades thus far Stubz.

Just an observation, I don't think you are an aggressive trader, more methodical and calculating. I think what differentiates your trading strategy from the masses of coaches is that you are not afraid to spend extra money on performing players (buying bargains in not a priority). Adcock and Shaw are both players who many coaches at the start of the season would have avoided for a couple of reasons:
- past form slumps; and
- durability concerns

A deterrent to trading them in now would be the above two points plus the fact they are more expensive than at the start of season. I myself, and I trust I'm not alone here, find it difficult to trade in players that are significantly more expensive than at the start of the season. Maybe I'm just a tightar$e...

Anyway, by trading in these two players you have added a degree of uniqueness but also have brought in scoring power. Your side just proves you don't need that super unique player or need to take huge risks to move high up in the rankings, (or in your case maintain your ranking).

As an observer, it would be interesting to see if you could keep your level trading head if you were sitting with a ranking of 20,000... Unfortunately, I don't think we will see this this year...

Good luck for the rest of the week

Cheers bro, I've been a massive fan of both H.Shaw and Adcock for a number of years and whilst they've burnt me in the past I feel as though if I hold grudges it could be to my detriment. For whatever reason I didn't get Malceski last year, I was close to getting him but I viewed him as a SC specialist and I had him in my SC team the year before and held him for the entire year. Obviously both decisions in those years hurt my ranking a fair bit, so yeah I think its best if you can try and take the emotion out of picking your starting squad and trading which can be hard.

I'm definitely not going to be ticking Adcock/H.Shaw as passes/successes yet because what I've learnt already this year is that some players (undurable ones ala Higgins/J.Grimes) as much as you want them to change, don't change.

I find it incredibly hard at times to do trades with hindsight and when a keeper/premium loses a lot of cash. I actually intended to make the Broughton to Adcock trade the week before I did but because I put a social occasion first I lost track of time and when I checked my phone to make the trade it was 7:39 PM. I lost 44 points and around 45K because of that and as much as I wanted to hold onto Broughton so he could come good and rectifying holding onto him/not doing the trade I just pulled the trigger. I've gained 67 points and probably $50K odd but the money part of it is hard to calculate.

But yeah what I've learnt is if that you let emotions/stupid reasoning (he will come good, he has already lost too much cash, I don't like watching that player play etc.) get to your head you just lose more and more points.

What some people forget about unique picks is that they are a double edged sword. Yes if the player comes off it can boost your rankings, however if it doesn't the reverse will happen and you will plummet down the rankings. I know this is said a lot but I'll say it again unique players are unique for a reason, that is the other aspect you have to think about. I've taken what I consider quite a few unique risks this year and all the ones that have failed in hindsight would have paid off if I held onto them/I didn't get a bit unlucky (Buckley, Iles, Coad, Bewick etc.).

RE: unique pick my advice is just be careful, make sure you don't cross the fine line between reasonable and unreasonable unique pick and also don't pull the trigger until things (form, injury, price etc.) look really bad because some people can find it very easy to get trigger happy.

Anyways hopefully that helps, good luck to your team this week and for the rest of the year.

 

[m0nty]

Re: Famous DT Coaches Thread 2011

Laider => Shaw, $3,800 left

That was it for me. The Shaw trade was staring everyone (who didn't have him) in the face, I thought. Geelong don't forward tag or forward press, Shaw was always going to dominate regardless of the result. Instant reward, happy days.

There were a heap of cows I could have cashed out this week but I decided to hold off. Considered Patrick but worried about his JS and his scoring ability when GC lose. Can wait for Jacobs, Puopolo, Hibberd etc for the next couple of weeks. I have noticed that my 17 trades before this week were at the low end of the norm, so I'm happy not to burn another two this week.

 

[warnie]

Re: Famous DT Coaches Thread 2011

Went Curnow to Isaac Smith. To gain me a lot of coin. Was tossing up between him and Jacobs, but Jacobs will come in next week probably.

The dropped Grimes for Shaw. Good first up score! Everyone else looked hideous. Wasn't going to go to Rawlings, Suckling, etc. Enright is on the radar, but in a couple of weeks. Shaw's BE was the clincher for me.

Soft option. Wanted to go bang with a midfielder but my backs needed A LOT of work

 

[Jolldo87]

Re: Famous DT Coaches Thread 2011

1000 posts.

Part 2 is here.