I totally agree with the 2nd paragraph. Can't really comment on the 1st
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SFL Division One - 2011
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How was the Mordialloc ground last week? I didn't know they were playing on it and didn't go.
Walked past it on Monday though, and it still looks bad.
No good. Not ready for football, dont know what happened but i feel for Mordy!!!
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I love it when people have a go at clubs that have put in a good admin so they can get the players to have a crack at winning the flag
Well I say goodluck to them and well done, to get a good admin together is very hard and a team will only be good for years to come with a good admin in place
Every other club should try to do the samething and get the people around there club on board
Yes it can be hard but every club can do it, so stop talking down the clubs that are trying to lift the standard. Have a go yourself to help the clubs at the bottom lift
Mordialloc (Look have had to do it hard so far this year as not having a ground would be very hard )
Dingley ( They look to be having a go, getting good coaches is a great start and over the coming years if they can keep them there they should be better )
East Brighton ( look to have a very strong side this year and they only look young so they be strong for years to come
St Kilda City ( they always have a good team, very good admin )
Cheltenham They look to be getting it going as well, getting a good coach to teach the kids will be good for the years ahead
Heatherton Look to have a lot of work to do and need some people around the area to get involved to help more
St Pauls Again a club that is well run and have lost a lot of players this year but are still up there
Tooronga Malvern In the same boat as Heatherton
Chelsea Heights A top team on the field and off it
Clayton Now this club is the one I cannot work out
They have a top setup at there ground have some good players and won a flag last year in D2 and knew that they need a few more players to run with the teams in D1.
I thought they would have been a lot better than they are.
Is there more to the story at Clayton???
So hoping the clubs that are down now can turn it around and make it a stronger comp in the coming years. All the lower teams should be starting to plan for next year now.
Well I say goodluck to them and well done, to get a good admin together is very hard and a team will only be good for years to come with a good admin in place
Every other club should try to do the samething and get the people around there club on board
Yes it can be hard but every club can do it, so stop talking down the clubs that are trying to lift the standard. Have a go yourself to help the clubs at the bottom lift
Mordialloc (Look have had to do it hard so far this year as not having a ground would be very hard )
Dingley ( They look to be having a go, getting good coaches is a great start and over the coming years if they can keep them there they should be better )
East Brighton ( look to have a very strong side this year and they only look young so they be strong for years to come
St Kilda City ( they always have a good team, very good admin )
Cheltenham They look to be getting it going as well, getting a good coach to teach the kids will be good for the years ahead
Heatherton Look to have a lot of work to do and need some people around the area to get involved to help more
St Pauls Again a club that is well run and have lost a lot of players this year but are still up there
Tooronga Malvern In the same boat as Heatherton
Chelsea Heights A top team on the field and off it
Clayton Now this club is the one I cannot work out
They have a top setup at there ground have some good players and won a flag last year in D2 and knew that they need a few more players to run with the teams in D1.
I thought they would have been a lot better than they are.
Is there more to the story at Clayton???
So hoping the clubs that are down now can turn it around and make it a stronger comp in the coming years. All the lower teams should be starting to plan for next year now.
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Mate if you can put your finger on it let us know ....
Clayton Now this club is the one I cannot work out
They have a top setup at there ground have some good players and won a flag last year in D2 and knew that they need a few more players to run with the teams in D1.
I thought they would have been a lot better than they are.
Is there more to the story at Clayton???
As outsiders opinion from someone who has never played with or been involved at the club but who knows several past and present players and officials. The demographic of the area has had a major impact but the death of the Clayton Junior Football Club has really hurt them. The CJFC battled for years and finally folded up the tent about 3 or 4 years ago. Back in the day the Clayton seniors and juniors were strong with each feeding of the success of the other and a pathway that rivalled Noble Park’s. In those days if you suggested that clubs such as Dingley or St.Kilda City would have significantly stronger juniors than Clayton you would be certified as insane. They had a real crack at getting U18s up a few years back without success. It is very tough for clubs in areas such as this with an elderly population.
Further to this Clayton is a highly multicultural suburb made up of people from different backgrounds. Many of which who would not follow footy.
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Just heard that Quinn is back for City so they will win by 10+ goals now
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5.4-34 Tooronga Malvern def. by Cheltenham 24.15-159
8.3-51 Clayton def. by St Pauls 20.11-131
7.15-57 Heatherton def. by Mordialloc 13.12-90
14.4-88 Dingley def. by St Kilda City 19.9-123
6.14-50 Chelsea Heights def. by East Brighton 7.11-53
8.3-51 Clayton def. by St Pauls 20.11-131
7.15-57 Heatherton def. by Mordialloc 13.12-90
14.4-88 Dingley def. by St Kilda City 19.9-123
6.14-50 Chelsea Heights def. by East Brighton 7.11-53
Good effort by the young Dingoes today. 1 point down into the last 1/4 but City too good.
If Poyas isnt the best player in this comp I would be very surprised.
We are not far away from being a pretty good team.
sports_shooter
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100% agree.
Living in Oakleigh South, no more than a 3 minute walk to Claytons ground I can tell you that in 5 years time they could even go under.
At the moment we're living in a block of 21 units, of these units there is 1 family with kids, they're always outside playing cricket or soccer. The rest seem to be a few older people or international students.
walking around the oakleigh/Clayton area you don't see what you would call "young football types" you have a huge number of international students, the odd youngish family who don't look like they would allow their kids to play aussie rules, bogans who only seem to care about their cars, drinking & smoking dope and older people. Its really an odd area.
From what I've seen there is no Auskick to be seen, Oakleigh Dist and Oakleigh are the only 2 clubs near by that offer a place for anyone under 18 to play.
I'm not too sure about who gives them the money, I know hosting finals gets them a fair slice, but thats not enough to live off season after season.
I would dare say that the SFL would be worried about them, they have been a powerhouse for so long in this comp.
Maybe even a move to the VAFA could be the go for them?
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Maybe even a move to the VAFA could be the go for them?
Without a viable junior structure a move to the VAFA would signal the end of Clayton. They would be stuck in the bottom grades with no hope of getting anywhere. I don’t know that a proud club like Clayton would want to play in the 6th or 7th division of the ammos. The better kids want to play A and B grade and the old boys club have that market sewn up. Oakleigh ammos just down the road already have 18s, 19s and a good relationship with the co-tenant junior club. In an ageing, multicultural area the pool is shallow and Oakleigh have it covered. SFL is the best fit for them but somehow they need to tap into a local school and get an 18s up and running. A very difficult task.
Without a viable junior structure a move to the VAFA would signal the end of Clayton. They would be stuck in the bottom grades with no hope of getting anywhere. I don’t know that a proud club like Clayton would want to play in the 6th or 7th division of the ammos. The better kids want to play A and B grade and the old boys club have that market sewn up. Oakleigh ammos just down the road already have 18s, 19s and a good relationship with the co-tenant junior club. In an ageing, multicultural area the pool is shallow and Oakleigh have it covered. SFL is the best fit for them but somehow they need to tap into a local school and get an 18s up and running. A very difficult task.
WhoDat
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Not far off the mark although Heatherton were disappointing again. Vampires turned the tables at Chelsea which must have been a cracking contest. On the Clayton issue, well responded to they have a huge task in front of them
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Have heard that Parkdale want to come back to the SFL and are getting sick of the VAFA, they already have the colts in SFL
Well a bye this week then we are back into it with game of the round
St Pauls vs Chelsea Heights 6 goals
East Brighton 7 goals vs Dingley
Mordialloc 8 goals vs Tooronga Malvern
Cheltenham 12 goals vs Clayton
St Kilda City 20 goals vs Heatherton
the winners in red
The top 4 teams are all looking good and I'm sure it is going to be a great finals series
Chelt and Dingoes are going to fight out for 5th with Chelt getting there in the end, and lets hope the rest can get better in the second half of the year
Well a bye this week then we are back into it with game of the round
St Pauls vs Chelsea Heights 6 goals
East Brighton 7 goals vs Dingley
Mordialloc 8 goals vs Tooronga Malvern
Cheltenham 12 goals vs Clayton
St Kilda City 20 goals vs Heatherton
the winners in red
The top 4 teams are all looking good and I'm sure it is going to be a great finals series
Chelt and Dingoes are going to fight out for 5th with Chelt getting there in the end, and lets hope the rest can get better in the second half of the year
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Missed a game with injury three weeks ago and has come back through the reserves as the player that took his place is playing well. Has played well in the reserves the past few weeks now and isn't far off. Hard to drop blokes that are playing well.
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What ever happened to Rafferty who played for St Pauls?
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Guttertrash,
He has gone to live/work in the UK for a year doing heart ultrasounds. Good coin and i'm sure a great experience so he should be back in a year or so.
He has gone to live/work in the UK for a year doing heart ultrasounds. Good coin and i'm sure a great experience so he should be back in a year or so.
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All though not having Juniors has hurt the Clays they haven't had U 18's for years and are running 3 senior sides any way.
The demographics have nothing to do with survival as other sides like Doveton Eagles,Dandenong,Ashwood,OD have never had a junior feeder club and have survived year in year out it all comes down to a good strong committee and a good network of players not necesary a coach brining players a network of mates who want to play at the one club and so on.
If you look at clubs in affluent areas like Highett,Chelt,East Brighton,Black Rock,Caulfield none of those Clubs are running any U 18's on there own due to the fact that the private school factor/Ammo's take over and they still survive quiet well due to good management.
Every Club has there issues no doubt but saying the Clays are struggling due to no juniors isn't right.
Ask your self were do most players live that are on each list and you will find the majority travel a fair distance to play at there chosen club.
WhoDat
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I agree with your thoughts. East Brighton has 28 junior sides that have no interest in playing senior footy at East Brighton. The Club has taken the attitude that if they were to wait for juniors to populate the senior sides they would have folded years ago. It is making sure the administration understands where they are and not living in Disneyland. Dingley on the other hand is a completely different story. They have a junior administration that has some interest in seeing those kids play at the club at senior level.
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Cleary from your above examples demographics had a lot to do with it. All of the aforementioned clubs are struggling and going nowhere. The fact that they don’t have junior feeders and can’t run U18s explains exactly why they are where they are. While they might be surviving they are not prospering and certainly not expanding or developing. Some interesting examples of what you describe as “Good strong committee” Doveton Eagles? Dandenong? I admire the work especially that Brendan Allan has done at Dandy but it must have been an incredibly difficult job. Clayton are fortunate to have a strong supporter base and some loyal sponsors as consequence of being so strong for so long. And while they may run 3 sides the argument is quantity V quality. At the moment their seniors and reserves are not 1st division quality and with no juniors or even a local affiliate they have no capacity to develop from within. You also mention Caulfield – How well are they going at the moment? A weekly battle to even get ressies on the Park.
The East Brighton argument is slightly different. I agree with some of what was said but at least it is an area that can sustain a 28-team junior club. Clayton is an area that could not sustain one team let alone 28. While most of the juniors at East Brighton are lost to private schools by Under 16s quite a few at least find there way back to the club down the track with several of the blokes running around in the seniors having played juniors at the club.
Dont be surprised if Keysborough start knocking on the door at SFL HO.
No Juniors, no Colts, 14 Players in the Ressies last week and the 1's havent won a game. They are on the skids. The Casey League has passed them by.
No Juniors, no Colts, 14 Players in the Ressies last week and the 1's havent won a game. They are on the skids. The Casey League has passed them by.
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A perfect example of how changing demographics can kill a football club. Not all that long ago Noble Park, Springvale, Keysborough and Parkmore all had plenty of junior teams. Because of the Moodemere Street cash cow Noble Park prosper despite a declining junior program but Springvale juniors are long gone, Parkmore juniors and seniors gone, Keysie juniors gone and seniors on the skids. They would be a good fit for the SFL. Due to their proximity to some other clubs there would be a good number of local derby’s including the long-standing rivalry with Dingley.
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