Jaeger O'Meara whats he worth?

[cotter101]

I don't really see that happening but I could see offering up wellingham

 

[HFF]

I don't really see that happening but I could see offering up wellingham

I can't because it won't happen.

 

[Shupe]

Would really love to keep Jag O'Meara. But with him officially nominated for the Mini Draft and the Giants auctioning off picks not players....they can't really stop another club from getting him (Unless we keep all 4 picks til next year...but that wouldn't be very smart. And there would be no certainty we would get the first pick of next years draft either with they way Port are going)

GWS MUST trade these picks. So there is no way GWS can end up with O'Meara unless the clubs who aquire the 4 picks choose other players, thus leaving O'meara eligible to be taken in the national draft (2012). Which, lets be honest, is very highly unlikely.

 

[dlanod]

You're slightly wrong and GiantForce is right. GWS can choose to trade no picks this year, and instead trade them all next year in which case O'Meara will be entering the 2012 draft same as anyone else. GWS can also choose to trade no picks across both years. Both cases, however, are incredibly unlikely and as GiantForce says "wouldn't be very smart".

The "must trade" part is that GWS cannot use them themselves, and there's no incentive not to trade them but a big incentive to trade them.

 

[dajesmac]

You're slightly wrong and GiantForce is right. GWS can choose to trade no picks this year, and instead trade them all next year in which case O'Meara will be entering the 2012 draft same as anyone else. GWS can also choose to trade no picks across both years. Both cases, however, are incredibly unlikely and as GiantForce says "wouldn't be very smart".

The "must trade" part is that GWS cannot use them themselves, and there's no incentive not to trade them but a big incentive to trade them.

I don't understand what you're saying...

If GWS don't trade the picks this offseason, they have to next offseason, prior to the 2012 draft.

Picks 1-4 will either be traded this year or next, either way O'Meara is going to get taken.

EDIT: Unless you're under the impression that a new batch of 25 youngsters will nominate for the minidraft next year, I still don't understand.

 

[dlanod]

I don't understand what you're saying...

If GWS don't trade the picks this offseason, they have to next offseason, prior to the 2012 draft.

Picks 1-4 will either be traded this year or next, either way O'Meara is going to get taken.

EDIT: Unless you're under the impression that a new batch of 25 youngsters will nominate for the minidraft next year, I still don't understand.

Your last edit is the key. Any left over players from this year's batch of 17 year olds will go in next year's National Draft, where O'Meara, Crouch, Kennedy, etc, would be top 10-20 picks. Next year's batch of 17 year olds for the GWS mini draft will be completely different to those who nominated this year.

 

[dajesmac]

Wow. You got a source? I've never actually heard anything to suggest that, all the talk is about how Jaeger can go this year or next.

Then again this whole deal confuses me all the time so I could be way off.

 

[dlanod]

http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=117004

I'm on an iPad so copy and paste sucks so won't do so, but at the bottom of that article is a few paragraphs about how the picks, if unused this year, will be used on players born in the first quarter of 1995 instead.

When people talk about O'Meara going this year or next year, the "next year" is the 2012 National Draft.

 

[dajesmac]

Fair enough then ^ Interesting. I wonder if I was the only one confused.

You'd think GWS would prefer to trade O'Meara and get experienced players and then take Whitfield is they finish with a spoon next season (Whitfield is meant to be level with O'Meara on potential).

Pretty good position to be in.

 

[silver eagles]

GWS already have so many youngsters, and will then get plenty more in the upcoming drafts. Surely GWS would be looking to pick up 25yo-ish players with these 4 mini draft-pick trades. Like someone else mentioned, for list management reasons, I don't think GWS will want multiple player deals.

How about WCE's 24yo wingman Matt Rosa (25yo in November)? He's from Warracknabeal in Victoria, so isn't necessarily tied to WA, has played 108 games including 4 finals, is an accurate kick, can run all day and is an automatic best 21. He would be a great loss to WCE, but we do have some depth in that position. He's contracted until the end of 2012, so GWS can't just take him as one of their uncontracted steals (well not this year anyway, which is when O'meara is likely to be picked).

 

[cotter101]

GWS already have so many youngsters, and will then get plenty more in the upcoming drafts. Surely GWS would be looking to pick up 25yo-ish players with these 4 mini draft-pick trades. Like someone else mentioned, for list management reasons, I don't think GWS will want multiple player deals.

How about WCE's 24yo winger Matt Rosa (25yo in November)? He's from Warracknabeal in Victoria, so isn't necessarily tied to WA, has played 108 games including 4 finals, is an accurate kick, can run all day and is an automatic best 21. He would be a great loss to WCE, but we do have some depth in that position. He's contracted until the end of 2012, so GWS can't just take him.

wont get you pick one.

 

[silver eagles]

My take is that the winning bid for any of the 4 mini-draft picks will be a single current best 21 player that the bidding team thinks they have enough positional depth to easily replace. Surely that's the most any team can afford to offer. Why would any bidding team risk anything more than that for a 16yo who they will still have to invest in and develop, can't even play until 2013 at the earliest and comes with zero guarantee he'll ever become a regular AFL player? The risk is entirely with the bidders, so the bids won't be extravagant.

 

[JasRulz63]

He's contracted until the end of 2012, so GWS can't just take him as one of their uncontracted steals.

They can at the end of next year if he doesn't extend his contract.

 

[silver eagles]

They can at the end of next year if he doesn't extend his contract.

Probably 2/3 of all AFL players will be out of contract either this year or next, and at the end of the day there's only so many players GWS can have on their list, so I won't lose any sleep over whether or not GWS will steal an uncontracted WCE player. Besides, there would probably have to be some level of disharmony for a best 21 player to have remained uncontracted at a season's end, so if GWS opt to take that player, then so be it, and compensation picks will be handed out.

 

[Hobgoblin]

He is worth a fortune.

I can see the following sought of offers

Gold Coast Pick 6 plus Geelong compo pick that they have
Melbourne: Both Scully Compo picks
Freo: Palmer compo pick plus Zac Clarke and Garrick Ibbottson
West Coast: Maesten,Brown and ist round Pick


Think about it you are pretty much trading for a Tom Scully or a Dustin Martin. So you have to think clubs will give up a lot. Trades suggestions like Cale Morton and Matthew Bate are completely stupid. A offer like that may get you pick 15.

 

[silver eagles]

I can see the following sought of offers

Gold Coast Pick 6 plus Geelong compo pick that they have
Melbourne: Both Scully Compo picks
Freo: Palmer compo pick plus Zac Clarke and Garrick Ibbottson
West Coast: Maesten,Brown and ist round Pick

Think about it you are pretty much trading for a Tom Scully or a Dustin Martin. So you have to think clubs will give up a lot. Trades suggestions like Cale Morton and Matthew Bate are completely stupid. A offer like that may get you pick 15.

GWS don't need more draft picks. What they lack is AFL-experienced, solid best 21 players to help mentor and guide their young player group on the field. And I can't see a team willing to give up more than 1 of those for a 16yo. I'd be disappointed if WCE offered anything more than a best 21 player that we have positional depth to cover the loss of.

You're dreaming if you think WCE should offer up two 1st round draft pick players plus their 1st round draft pick. That's essentially what we were given in return for a Brownlow medalist, premiership captain. We're talking about an AFL unproven 16yo kid who we would still have to develop.

 

[swansfan51]

GWS don't need more draft picks. What they lack is AFL-experienced, solid best 21 players to help mentor and guide their young player group on the field. And I can't see a team willing to give up more than 1 of those for a 16yo. I'd be disappointed if WCE offered anything more than a best 21 player that we have positional depth to cover the loss of.

You're dreaming if you think WCE should offer up two 1st round draft pick players plus their 1st round draft pick. That's essentially what we were given in return for a Brownlow medalist, premiership captain. We're talking about an AFL unproven 16yo kid who we would still have to develop.

You can persist with this Rosa for O'Meara argument all you want, it does not make it any more likely. There is a reason you are pushing it so hard - it would be a massive win for your club.

 

[silver eagles]

You can persist with this Rosa for O'Meara argument all you want, it does not make it any more likely. There is a reason you are pushing it so hard - it would be a massive win for your club.

Huh ... I'm not persisting with Rosa for O'meara. I mentioned Rosa in one post, so don't know how that comes across as "pushing it so hard." Exaggerate much? I'm not sure how losing a consistent 100 gamer 24yo wingman for an unproven 16yo would be a "massive win" either, but to each his own.

 

[Hobgoblin]

GWS don't need more draft picks. What they lack is AFL-experienced, solid best 21 players to help mentor and guide their young player group on the field. And I can't see a team willing to give up more than 1 of those for a 16yo. I'd be disappointed if WCE offered anything more than a best 21 player that we have positional depth to cover the loss of.

You're dreaming if you think WCE should offer up two 1st round draft pick players plus their 1st round draft pick. That's essentially what we were given in return for a Brownlow medalist, premiership captain. We're talking about an AFL unproven 16yo kid who we would still have to develop.

West Coast will not get him then. Let me put it this way what sought of players would you trade for the number one draft pick. That is basically what you are getting with O'Meara. No use putting up names like Maesten on his own or Rosa as neither would get you a top 20 pick. To get quality you have to give it up.

Now the other argument is that they have to trade them. They don't well not this year anyway so should clubs put stupid offers like Maesten or Rosa for Example GWS will quite rightly say get bent we will wait till next year and set an example of what sought of quality we will accept.

As an Essendon fan I know that we would have to give up some players I would not like to. Would I like to :No Do I realise we would have to to get O'Meara : Absolutely

 

[GiantForce]

Unproven 16 yr old this, unproven that. Have you guys actually seen this kid play? He is a year younger than everyone else and was easily in the Top 3 at the U18 Champs this year! He is more than proven.

Or do you mean proven at AFL level? Well every rookie is unproven at AFL level. So does that mean we should not pick rookies up ever again because they're "unproven"?
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Seriously Rosa for O'Meara....what bullshit. You are effectively trading for a #1 draft pick in 2012....but you get him a year early (A whole years development in a kid is invalueable). So cut the unproven crap. Kid is a jet.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Unproven 16 yr old this, unproven that. Have you guys actually seen this kid play? He is a year younger than everyone else and was easily in the Top 3 at the U18 Champs this year! He is more than proven.

Or do you mean proven at AFL level? Well every rookie is unproven at AFL level. So does that mean we should not pick rookies up ever again because they're "unproven"?
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Seriously Rosa for O'Meara....what bullshit. You are effectively trading for a #1 draft pick in 2012....but you get him a year early (A whole years development in a kid is invalueable). So cut the unproven crap. Kid is a jet.

Indeed he is a fantastic talent.

Super quick inside mid... now there's a rare combination. Can also go outside and is dangerous on a forward flank. Even rarer.

You would think a club would need to give up at least 2 first round picks and a developed fringe KPP or a first rounder and best 22 player in order to get pick 1 in this mini draft.

 

[Jonts]

Unproven 16 yr old this, unproven that. Have you guys actually seen this kid play? He is a year younger than everyone else and was easily in the Top 3 at the U18 Champs this year! He is more than proven.

Or do you mean proven at AFL level? Well every rookie is unproven at AFL level. So does that mean we should not pick rookies up ever again because they're "unproven"?
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Seriously Rosa for O'Meara....what bullshit. You are effectively trading for a #1 draft pick in 2012....but you get him a year early (A whole years development in a kid is invalueable). So cut the unproven crap. Kid is a jet.

Not saying he isn't a gun, but everything you've said they were saying about Swift, Darling and Butcher, none of them were top 5 picks, 20 of them were past the 19 mark

Don't expect to receive elite quality for pick one in the mini draft, it might so happen that day 5-6 comes along and GWS have to take what they can get

 

[Scootyb]

What about something like Zac Clarke and our Rhys Palmer Compo pick (assuming he's leaving), where would that sit in terms of valuable offers?

 

[silver eagles]

Like it or not, O'meara's unproven at AFL level. Yes, I've seen him play. You guys react like he's the reincarnation of Jesus. He's 16yo. Sure he's been great so far, but that's no guarantee of future domination. And counter to what Giantforce suggests, O'meara will be worth more when he's a 20yo AFL player with 30-50 games of AFL level experience, than currently as a 16yo who still has many hurdles left in front of him.

It's a bit like a job interview. Do you hire the 35yo guy who has been in the industry for a dozen years, and can start generating money for your business from day one, or do you take on an 4 year apprentice who you will have to invest a lot of time and money on to develop and hope you will one day get some return on investment? Experience vs potential. Security vs risk.

Obviously I'm not saying clubs shouldn't take rookies. That's just silly. All I'm saying is a player who has proven his value at the AFL level is worth more than a kid with no AFL level experience. Consider Tom Scully. Now that he has lived up to some of his pre-draft hype, he may well be worth 2 first round draft picks, but surely you can't argue that he was worth 2 first round draft picks back when he was 16yo.

 

[GiantForce]

Not saying he isn't a gun, but everything you've said they were saying about Swift, Darling and Butcher, none of them were top 5 picks, 20 of them were past the 19 mark

Don't expect to receive elite quality for pick one in the mini draft, it might so happen that day 5-6 comes along and GWS have to take what they can get

Darling slipped because of "off field" issues. And his form this year has shown he could well have beena Top 3 pick.

Swift got 2 serious knee injuries which really stuffed him in his later junior days. I'm not saying it won't happen to O'Meara, but you can't not pick a rookie you're scared they might get injured. Every player is a risk of getting injured. And all the rave reviews about Swift came when he was 16....O'Meara is 17 and a half.....just saying