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And Thomas jumping in the air at a player for no good reason doesn't have the potential to cause serious injury? Need I remind you that Scott Stevens retired this year from concussion related illness.

There is no rule that states you cannot jump to make contact with another player. People need to stop using that as an excuse for why he got rubbed out.

Not disputing the penalty but jumping in the air has always been a part of football and always will be.
 
No, there doesn't appear any risk to challenging.

We could attempt to have the penalty reduced at no added risk, so I expect us to go for it.
 
He deserves the ban and he will have to cop it but we have enough depth to cover his loss, still have Wellers to come back who plays a similar role to Daisy.
 
Thomas' 2 was expected. That wasn't the complaint. I tipeed 3 weeks down to 2 with guilty plea.

But how in the lords name did Lower only get 3?

Should have been MINIMUM 4. Given it is a text book example of the exact incident they've been trying to eradicate.

He did end up getting 4, but had no carry over points, got the deduction for an early guilty plea and had no prior record.

Thomas was unlucky as he already had half a game's worth of carry over points and got the extra 10% for prior record.

Without all of the modifiers Thomas would have got 2 and Lower 4. That's probably a fairer comparison, maybe a little light on Lower. But after all the other factors it ended up 2 and 3, which doesn't look to be a fair indication of the severity of each, but it's all about the prior record stuff.

Without the carry over points Thomas would've gotten a week and I don't think you blokes would have been particularly upset. Either way, the time off will give him a chance to rest up the thumb and be in good nick come the second week of finals.

Not ideal I guess, but I wouldn't want to be the poor b*stard playing on him in his come-back game. Reckon he'll have a barn-burner.
 

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And Thomas jumping in the air at a player for no good reason doesn't have the potential to cause serious injury? Need I remind you that Scott Stevens retired this year from concussion related illness.
Unlike Lower on Thomas, Thomas did not intentionally hit Ibbotson in the head. The fact is that if there was any contact at all to Ibbotsons head it was incidental and virtually of no consequence. There is absolutely no comparison between the two on any level.
 
And Thomas jumping in the air at a player for no good reason doesn't have the potential to cause serious injury? Need I remind you that Scott Stevens retired this year from concussion related illness.
Oh for goodness sake. Jumping in the air on it's own doesn't mean a player is seriously injured and there isn't a rule against it. It takes head contact to cause "concussion related illness" so why on earth are you mentioning Scott Stevens? He has nothing to do with this incident considering Thomas did not make head contact.
 
And Thomas jumping in the air at a player for no good reason doesn't have the potential to cause serious injury? Need I remind you that Scott Stevens retired this year from concussion related illness.

I've seen harder hits in netball, at most it was a down field free, the game's stuffed.
 
Nothing to do with the Thomas/Lower incidents but didn't Scott Stevens get concussed at training?
Not sure on that, but he copped plenty of high hits when out on the field.

There is no rule that states you cannot jump to make contact with another player. People need to stop using that as an excuse for why he got rubbed out.

Of course there is no rule. But when you jump in the air you are putting the main point of hard impact in the area near the head. Head contact is forbidden, as it should be.

Unlike Lower on Thomas, Thomas did not intentionally hit Ibbotson in the head. The fact is that if there was any contact at all to Ibbotsons head it was incidental and virtually of no consequence. There is absolutely no comparison between the two on any level.

Then why did he jump? There was no need to jump, it wasn't like Ibbotson was going to jump a metre in the air after he kicked the ball. It wasn't intentional, but it was designed to "hurt" the player. Just like Lower's was.
 
And Thomas jumping in the air at a player for no good reason doesn't have the potential to cause serious injury? Need I remind you that Scott Stevens retired this year from concussion related illness.
Oh for goodness sake. Jumping in the air on it's own doesn't mean a player is seriously injured and there isn't a rule against it. It takes head contact to cause "concussion related illness" so why on earth are you mentioning Scott Stevens? He has nothing to do with this incident considering Thomas did not make head contact.
Nothing to do with the Thomas/Lower incidents but didn't Scott Stevens get concussed at training?
Yes he was concussed three times. Once in a marking contest against Freo, and the last two times at training, so I have no idea why this Bradesmaen is trying to link that to Dale Thomas. Extreme spin at it's best.
 
Then why did he jump? There was no need to jump, it wasn't like Ibbotson was going to jump a metre in the air after he kicked the ball. It wasn't intentional, but it was designed to "hurt" the player. Just like Lower's was.
Perhaps he was trying to shepherd and decided that he needed to add force by jumping! Who cares? There's no rule against it and it was a perfectly legitimate thing to do. It's a far cry from lining up a head high snipe like Lower did and I can't imagine why anybody would even compare the two. Lower's was a dog act, Thomas's was good play that had an accidental side effect!
 
Thomas to Flagstaff, Arizona?

Seriously, it is now 24 days before our last training session before the prelim (Assuming Friday Night final, Thurs training session), so Thomas could spend as much as 14-17 days over there if he leaves later this week and still be back well in time for the build up to the prelim.

Buy the tickets now I say.:)
 
Of course there is no rule. But when you jump in the air you are putting the main point of hard impact in the area near the head. Head contact is forbidden, as it should be.
I'd understand your argument if Thomas had jumped into Ibbotson's head and caused him to be dazed/knocked out, but that didn't happen. Thomas jumped and made forceful contact to Ibbotson's chest.
 

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Thomas to Flagstaff, Arizona?

Seriously, it is now 24 days before our last training session before the prelim (Assuming Friday Night final, Thurs training session), so Thomas could spend as much as 14-17 days over there if he leaves later this week and still be back well in time for the build up to the prelim.

Buy the tickets now I say.:)
Collingwood haven't won the Qualifying Final yet.
 
I'd understand your argument if Thomas had jumped into Ibbotson's head and caused him to be dazed/knocked out, but that didn't happen. Thomas jumped and made forceful contact to Ibbotson's chest.
Elbow hit the chest, Shoulder got the head, so it spread the contact out, hence the low impact.
 
Collingwood haven't won the Qualifying Final yet.
Yeah, but if we sent him today or tomorrow and we did happen to lose the first final, he could always come home next Tuesday or Wednesday and still be right to go, and he still would have gotten some benefit out of 4-5 days at altitude.

Would be worth the risk IMO.
 
Quote from the HUN:
"Collingwood has until Tuesday morning to decide whether to accept the ban or take the case to the tribunal, and risk a three-match suspension."

I say, take the 2 weeks, go to Arizona for 2 weeks and come back and blitz in the prelim!
 
Yeah, but if we sent him today or tomorrow and we did happen to lose the first final, he could always come home next Tuesday or Wednesday and still be right to go, and he still would have gotten some benefit out of 4-5 days at altitude.

Would be worth the risk IMO.
I'm not sure he would get any benefit. Apparently players have to prepare first and then spend close to 2 weeks training. Going over without any preparation work and then being there for a few days would probably just cause stress and fatigue more than anything else.
 

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Cue tweets from Daisy re airport traffic and climbing mountains.
God I hope so.

By the way, I'm only half joking about Daisy going to Arizona, the effect would only be mental (a relief from the "fishbowl" that is Melbourne) more then physical (usually takes 6-8 week for the effects of altitude training to kick in).

I'd just love to see BigFooty's reaction, and also the media's if we did send him, it would be hilarious.
 
Thomas doesn't have a fitness problem at all, hasn't had a significant injury and won't be missing SO long he will lose match fitness. The worst thing he could do is spend 48 hours on planes to go to a country where he won't even get to kick a football. It'd make a lot more sense if he trains with the group.

For people to say it wasn't worthy of a suspension seriously just watch it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYw7AP_9wG4 it was completely idiotic
 
God I hope so.

By the way, I'm only half joking about Daisy going to Arizona, the effect would only be mental (a relief from the "fishbowl" that is Melbourne) more then physical (usually takes 6-8 week for the effects of altitude training to kick in).

I'd just love to see BigFooty's reaction, and also the media's if we did send him, it would be hilarious.

Carro would love it!!
 
Yeah, but if we sent him today or tomorrow and we did happen to lose the first final, he could always come home next Tuesday or Wednesday and still be right to go, and he still would have gotten some benefit out of 4-5 days at altitude.

Would be worth the risk IMO.
It takes a while to get over the effects of a 16 hour flight each way, so he would have to be back on Qualifying Final weekend so he can train with the team in case he is needed in week two. He would have to leave tomorrow, but I don't think it will happen because he doesn't appear to be carrying any injuries as Dane Swan was, or out for an extended period as Heath Shaw has been. I think there is a chance they may appeal as well, even if they risk a week because contact was not made to the head.
I say, take the 2 weeks, go to Arizona for 2 weeks and come back and blitz in the prelim!
Ummm, Collingwood has not won the Qualifying Final yet! :rolleyes:
 

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