Chris Judd MVP

[True Bluebagger]

Only twice in the past 15 years or so has the MVP also won the Brownlow..

So 2011, will be No. 3 then.

 

[Naughton]

Surely by any objective measure, Tom Scully has to win 'most valuable' player next season, with Karmichael Hunt coming in a close third to Issy Foleau.

 

[JuddTakesAMark]

Judd wins something, tears get shed. It makes an unimportant individual award quite enjoyable.

Thanks for the laughs, jellyfish.

 

[mjd75]

A lot of players have never played against Judd, Ablett etc since they haven't played a game or very few games. Even more play in vastly different positions and would have a limited personal view on how good they are. Even more barely watch games they aren't involved in. The idea itself is good but it is effectively another media award since the players are not aware of who has had a great season and will therefore just take whoever the leading media pundits say has been the best player.

The majority of players that vote have played against Judd Ablett ect. not only that, they hear what their teammates and coaches have to say about players it's not just what the media say.

These players are out on the field and can hear and can feel what a captain brings to a team, they can see when a captain does or says something and the team responds.

IMO this is the most prestigest award avaliable becuase your getting an opinion from those who are in the thick of the action and not watching from the stands. Oh and not umpires who may not notice team things.

 

[Simple Jack]

Only twice in the past 15 years or so has the MVP also won the Brownlow..

That's because the player the media pumps up as the Brownlow favourite almost never wins the Brownlow.

Gablett in '09 is the only one I can think of in the last few years.

 

[loki04]

The fact that a Collingwood player didn't win all the awards makes the awards dumb. That much is clear. We're the best at everything.

HAHAHA loves it!

 

[TheRealComptroller]

Only twice in the past 15 years or so has the MVP also won the Brownlow..

Thrice IIRC.

Harvey 1997 (Chris Grant polled most votes)

Crawford 1999

Ablett 2009
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FWIW McKernan in 1996 polled equal votes to Voss and Hird.

 

[Pera]

Congratulations Juddy, deserved winner.

 

[baja]

Surely by any objective measure, Tom Scully has to win 'most valuable' player next season, with Karmichael Hunt coming in a close third to Issy Foleau.

Interesting comment, so what actually is 'Most Valuable'?

Judd cant mark over his head, he cant play in the ruck, he can barely kick fifty, he is a rover, a distributer/extractor, pretty much a one trick pony, and a very good trick that is I must say.

Goodes can do everything at an elite level and has him covered as more valuable in its true context.

 

[Dk#1]

Interesting comment, so what actually is 'Most Valuable'?

Judd cant mark over his head, he cant play in the ruck, he can barely kick fifty, he is a rover, a distributer/extractor, pretty much a one trick pony, and a very good trick that is I must say.

Goodes can do everything at an elite level and has him covered as more valuable in its true context.

Your a fool.
Some could argue Goodes isn't even sydneys most valuable player. Mumford is.
You can argue all you like that your player should have won but he didn't because the blokes that know more than anyone don't think he was. End of story.

 

[NoelMugavin]

Judd did deserve the award...good on him...awesome talent!

 

[baja]

Your a fool.
Some could argue Goodes isn't even sydneys most valuable player. Mumford is.
.

thats my point, I dont really have a problem with Judd winning it though.

fwiw Im not a fool, Ive forgotten more than you will ever know.

 

[AG]

Your a fool.

It's my favourite self pwnage line on bf.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

Interesting comment, so what actually is 'Most Valuable'?

Judd cant mark over his head, he cant play in the ruck, he can barely kick fifty, he is a rover, a distributer/extractor, pretty much a one trick pony, and a very good trick that is I must say.

Interesting way to describe him.

 

[TheRealComptroller]

We've been hearing for 12 months now how the Brownlow means nothing these days and it's all about the MVP - so let's see the haters be hatin' now.

Well deserved.

Watch the flogs try talk down this award, too.

It's a worthless award anyway. It should be voted by the umpir... uhh... the players... no... the media.. umm... someone who won't pick Judd.

Judd wins Brownlow, votes allocated by umpires = flawed, AFLPA MVP much more prestigious.

Why so much petulance from these Carlton fans over the questioning of Judd's victory in the 2010 Brownlow?

Why does somebody have to be called a "hater" or a "flog" for thinking there were far more deserving players?

I don't get it.

Judd's 2010 Brownlow was a pretty big upset but it wasn't too messed up IMO; he was in that year's AA team, so it wasn't a Woewodinesque WTF disaster IMO.

That being said ....

How is it "hater" or "flog" behaviour to point out that Judd in 2010 is probably one of the less spectacular seasons to win a player the medal?

IIRC he won just one major media award (3AW) and did not place in the top 10 in any of the other outlets' awards.

He didn't make the AA starting 18.

I just don't understand why Carlton supporters would have so much vitriol reserved for people who didn't think he was an overly deserving winner.

It's objective reality that Judd in 2010 is one of the less breathtaking performances to receive the Brownlow. Why can't these Carlton posters see that?

 

[blues4flag]

thats my point, I dont really have a problem with Judd winning it though.

fwiw Im not a fool, Ive forgotten more than you will ever know.

Arrogant much?

 

[4evablues]

C'mon Judd!!! he thoroughly deserves it...he is the most influential player.

Not biased at all!!

 

[Mosca]

The most prestigious individual award. MVP > Brownlow.

i said it last year too when Swan won it, i think plenty would agree.

 

[AG]

Not sure prestigious is the right word because the Brownlow is easily the most prestigious.

 

[Mosca]

i mean that the MVP should be considered the most prestigious award.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Why so much petulance from these Carlton fans over the questioning of Judd's victory in the 2010 Brownlow?

Why does somebody have to be called a "hater" or a "flog" for thinking there were far more deserving players?

I don't get it.

Judd's 2010 Brownlow was a pretty big upset but it wasn't too messed up IMO; he was in that year's AA team, so it wasn't a Woewodinesque WTF disaster IMO.

That being said ....

How is it "hater" or "flog" behaviour to point out that Judd in 2010 is probably one of the less spectacular seasons to win a player the medal?

IIRC he won just one major media award (3AW) and did not place in the top 10 in any of the other outlets' awards.

He didn't make the AA starting 18.

I just don't understand why Carlton supporters would have so much vitriol reserved for people who didn't think he was an overly deserving winner.

It's objective reality that Judd in 2010 is one of the less breathtaking performances to receive the Brownlow. Why can't these Carlton posters see that?

I think you missed the context. When Judd won the Brownlow and Swan won the MVP, we heard how the MVP was a more accurate reflection of who is better. When Judd wins the MVP, the parameters seemed to have changed for some and now the MVP is not very accurate. It wasn't about the Brownlow, it was about the MVP.

 

[Blues_Man]

Interesting comment, so what actually is 'Most Valuable'?

Judd cant mark over his head, he cant play in the ruck, he can barely kick fifty, he is a rover, a distributer/extractor, pretty much a one trick pony, and a very good trick that is I must say.

Goodes can do everything at an elite level and has him covered as more valuable in its true context.

Don't get any TV reception down in Devonport ..or hasn't television found it's way down there yet ??

Because you obviously haven't watched any Footy for the last 5 or 6 years .

Gibbs towels up Goodes every game Carlton plays the Swans ..thats why Carlton trounced them twice this year ...obviously Judd contributed more in those wins ..so Judd > Goodes .

 

[bluekidjoe]

Because you obviously haven't watched any Footy for the last 5 or 6 years.

He could've seen pretty much all those things he "can't" do less than 5 days ago.

 

[Dumpstar]

Judd cant mark over his head, he cant play in the ruck, he can barely kick fifty, he is a rover, a distributer/extractor, pretty much a one trick pony, and a very good trick that is I must say.

Didn't watch the Essendon game?

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

i mean that the MVP should be considered the most prestigious award.

AFLCA needs more fanfare.