Injury Brent Macaffer - Knee injury likely ACL

[Jesus Baulks]

Re: Brent Macaffer - Knee.

Snuck another year on the list by the skin of his teeth, if it's his ACL the outlook isn't great.

He was one of my favourite players during the 2010 season, but osteitis pubis and a reconstructed knee don't bode well. We'd cut our losses I'd suspect.

 

[Bay Pie]

If it is ACL, I'm not convinced he's a goner.

Caff has proven himself and is only 22.

There are many others who have much to prove this year to remain on the list.

We've lost alot of experience the past few years. I'm not sure we'd want to be cutting to many proven AFL players at years end.

 

[mattys123]

I really don't get any talk about him being delisted.

The only way Brent Macaffer won't be at Collingwood in 2013 is if he retires from football basically.

Players who will be delisted ahead of him;

Keefe
Buckley
J.Thomas (hey if Caff's gone because of injury, JT's a dead man walking)
Ben Johnson (retired)
Rounds
Ugle

Apart from Johnson, none of those above mentioned players have given us anything yet, at all, so to say Caff has to be delisted, is just crap.

We gave Brad Dick and Sean Rusling about 8 chances each before we delisted then, we've shown in the past that if you have the talent, we will persist with you through injury.

 

[Jedi01]

Players who will be delisted ahead of him;

Keefe

Say what?

 

[daics_35]

Spot on, Matty. Wer stuck by Rusling for a very long time, I think he was on our list for the last 3 years without playing a game. MaCaffer is a premiership player and was a big part to us winning the flag. If he gets sacked, I would be very shattard.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

I really don't get any talk about him being delisted.

The only way Brent Macaffer won't be at Collingwood in 2013 is if he retires from football basically.

Players who will be delisted ahead of him;

Keefe
Buckley
J.Thomas (hey if Caff's gone because of injury, JT's a dead man walking)
Ben Johnson (retired)
Rounds
Ugle

Apart from Johnson, none of those above mentioned players have given us anything yet, at all, so to say Caff has to be delisted, is just crap.

We gave Brad Dick and Sean Rusling about 8 chances each before we delisted then, we've shown in the past that if you have the talent, we will persist with you through injury.

Thanks matty, I was going to post something similar, along the lines of:

Who would people prefer to have on our list next year assuming all are fit, out of Caff, Buckley and Sinclair?
To me its a very easy decision.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Say what?

Yeah, I agree with Matty on that one.

IMHO Keefe has a long way to go before being an AFL footballer.

I've been a supporter of him and I want him to do well (as I want all young players to do well), but I see his problems are:

1) He thinks too much - he looks at a situation and takes too much time to process what to do.

2) (related to 1) He is too easily confused by when to leave his man and when to protect the zone. By contrast Shae seemed better at that.

3) Body language isn't good. When he stuffs up he's too busy kicking himself rather than continuing to follow the flow of play. He looks like a confidence player which isn't a good thing in the backline.

 

[speedytiger]

Lets worry about delistings sometime closer to when it has to happen, like at the end of the year. So much can and will happen before then. Good luck Caff

 

[76woodenspooners]

Thanks matty, I was going to post something similar, along the lines of:

Who would people prefer to have on our list next year assuming all are fit, out of Caff, Buckley and Sinclair?
To me its a very easy decision.

Well, that depends on what our stocks are like for defenders, mids and forwards

But I take your point.

If history is anything to go by (but we do have a new coach) then it seems that the club values highly the commitment and fortitude of any long term injured players who do the right thing by their rehabilitation.

 

[Jesus Baulks]

I really don't get any talk about him being delisted.

The only way Brent Macaffer won't be at Collingwood in 2013 is if he retires from football basically.

Players who will be delisted ahead of him;

Keefe
Buckley
J.Thomas (hey if Caff's gone because of injury, JT's a dead man walking)
Ben Johnson (retired)
Rounds
Ugle

Apart from Johnson, none of those above mentioned players have given us anything yet, at all, so to say Caff has to be delisted, is just crap.

We gave Brad Dick and Sean Rusling about 8 chances each before we delisted then, we've shown in the past that if you have the talent, we will persist with you through injury.

Excluding Johnson who will retire, you just named 5 young blokes who all have the entire year to earn another contract. To say Macaffer has no chance of being delisted because currently healthy player such and such hasn't proved as much as him is ridiculous. As harsh as it is to be saying right now, there is a massive chance he'll be delisted at the end of the year if he has done his ACL. It's not just his knee either, he has been battling with OP since the end of 2010.

Are people forgetting how close he came to not being on the list at the end of last year? For all intents and purposes he was gone, we offered him up and got virtually no interest though. McCarthy choosing to leave was his only saving grace.

Yep he was good in 2010 and I admit to being pretty surprised to see he was battling so hard to keep a spot on the list, but for whatever reason he was very much on the fringe at that stage and a year on the sidelines will only exacerbate the situation.

I can't really say I agree with your delistings anyway. As much as people like to chastise S.Buckley around here, myself included a lot of the time, he is infinitely more useful to us at the moment than Macaffer is. He is great depth, he'll end up playing 10-15 games again this year I'd suspect and he'll be well ahead of Macaffer come list lodgement at the end of this year.
Keeffe's long term KPB stock (an area we are fragile in with Tarrant ageing and Brown yet to play a game since his knee injuries), he isn't in any danger at all in my opinion.

JT and Rounds both definitely need decent years, I agree. JT would only need to get through the year unscathed and play 5 or so promising games and he'll get a contract renewal. Rounds is in trouble if he doesn't step it up.
Ugle has some work to do, but again, if he managed to play 5 or so games this year and kicked 3 or 4 in a game, he'd probably snag a new contract. You could probably chuck Sinclair on your list though, I think he'll struggle to get a spot come 2013.

So of that list, none of those blokes are really certain delistings in my eyes. Semi-decent years from all of them and they are ahead of an injured Macaffer. What happens then?

There's more chance of Macaffer being delisted than retained I think, to say the only way he won't be on the list is to retire is just plainly untrue.

 

[76woodenspooners]

I can't really say I agree with your delistings anyway. As much as people like to chastise S.Buckley around here, myself included a lot of the time, he is infinitely more useful to us at the moment than Macaffer is.

Um, that is kind of stating the obvious

 

[Jedi01]

Yeah, I agree with Matty on that one.

He is 204cm, 21 and shown signs he could be a solid key position player.

Mcaffer is 23, a 187cm forward who has shown he could be a decent 3rd/4th forward option.

I know who I am taking and as others have pointed out, in 12 months times, Mcaffer will still be living of his few decent games in 2010, while others could have gone past him.

 

[Jesus Baulks]

Um, that is kind of stating the obvious

This guy

 

[76woodenspooners]

He is 204cm, 21 and shown signs he could be a solid key position player.

I didn't see any evidence of that last night. Agree that it's apples and oranges to compare him with 'Caff. Shae would be a better comparison and from what I saw, I thought Shae had a bit more.

(BTW I was at the game at ground level in front of a pocket, so I had a very blinkered view of the game)

I know who I am taking and as others have pointed out, in 12 months times, Mcaffer will still be living of his few decent games in 2010, while others could have gone past him.

Unless we have trouble with nobody wanting to retire and finding enough obvious delistings, then it really comes down to whether 'Caff would be better or worse than a high draft pick. I say that (provided his body is OK) he would be better.

 

[Chief Ten Beers]

Another one, sorry guys - I find it hard to remain optimistic when last years injuries are even worse this year.

We'll need a 80 man list if this keeps up.

 

[mattys123]

Another one, sorry guys - I find it hard to remain optimistic when last years injuries are even worse this year.

We'll need a 80 man list if this keeps up.

Yeah, back on thread topic, which is Caff and our injuries, and it isn't looking good.

This time last year we lost Nathan Brown, and we all saw what happened come finals time, we had no one to replace the obviously injured Reid on grand final day.

What if (heaven forbid) Cloke or Dawes go down, who's the next option? A kid? That's about all we have, and as promising as some of our young talls are, I can't see them standing up to finals pressure in 2012.

Macaffers injury, if anything has solidified Cloke, and to a lesser extent Dawes as players who are as important to any success we may have in 2012 then any others.

It's a shattering thing that has happened to Caff, but we can get past it, but it may well be with a rejigged forward plan to one we initially thought of going with.

Should we consider playing Wood as the second ruck/3rd forward role, otherwise known as the "Leigh Brown role"?

 

[blaze036]

I think some people are getting sucked in by the media, our injuries really arnt that bad.
Assuming krak comes back in good shape, we should be full strength (apart from caff) by round 1-2

 

[kevind]

Yeah, back on thread topic, which is Caff and our injuries, and it isn't looking good.


Should we consider playing Wood as the second ruck/3rd forward role, otherwise known as the "Leigh Brown role"?

We will be forced to play Wood. WE will be going from a player with enormous physical presence to a player with none. Leigh Brown will be sorely missed. If it wasn't for that hit on Jordan Lewis in the PF, we would not have made the GF last year.

AS far as the list goes, the depth is very poor. If we keep our best 22 fit and in form for the whole season we are in with a chance. Any key injuries and form slumps and we will be a big slider this year.

IT's very concerning at the lack of young talent coming through. Fasolo is the only young player that I am confident of being AFL quality. Looking at players like Sinclair, why on earth did we draft a player with such poor disposal skills? And Ceglar, another in our long production line of skinny ruckmen with no physical presence????

 

[Raymond Rougeau]

Me also fears (completely premature) we don't have depth to cover outs... It also seams like an omen year were you loose 1 or 2 stars and your cooked... ;(

 

[Pera]

Re: Brent Macaffer - Knee.

I think you are both getting a little carried away. It's shit but why on earth would we give him the chop? He would comfortably be in our best 22 (some might argue that) and you recover from knee injuries. Delisting him would make no sense at all.

Wasn't he signed to a one year deal, very very late last year? One year deals aren't the greatest sign a player will be held onto after a serious knee injury like an ACL (if it is an ACL). Unless they were banking on giving him a better deal this year after the salary cap arrangements.

But at the moment, all I care about is Caf not doing his ACL. Football is a funny game so hoping its the best, and not the worst. Get back Caf.

 

[Nicco_jj]

Can someone post the picture of the ducks with "the sky is falling"..? It's definitely appropriate.

None of the blokes who have significant injuries (as in 4 weeks +) were all Australian last year. Reid is back, and should be right for round 1.
With nathan back, one of nathan, Reid or taz will miss. Any of them can be 3rd forward option of necessary, as they have all been forwards.

 

[mattys123]

Can someone post the picture of the ducks with "the sky is falling"..? It's definitely appropriate.

By request;

And just to cheer everyone up;

and, it could be worse, we could have these two idiots at our club;

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

hope he recovers well,
does not sound good on the news.



i like it that they can get a hit out and blow the cobwebs but on the other hand i dislike it for the chance at injury

 

[speedytiger]

I think some people are getting sucked in by the media, our injuries really arnt that bad.
Assuming krak comes back in good shape, we should be full strength (apart from caff) by round 1-2

Just on this maybe this is quite a normal pre season but with the coverage and scrutiny what it is now we hear about injuries more. Especially the 2-3 week stuff

 

[soreplums]

Re: Brent Macaffer - Knee.

Didn't he also want to leave at the end of the year because of $$? You can bet that if we do choose to hold onto him it would be another 1 or 2 year contract worth much less than what he is on now.

I'm spewing that he is injured, but I remember when we re-signed him and Leon left I could;t stop thinking that I would have preferred to keep Leon- particularly because of his positive influence over Krak.