Didn't Grigg get dropped for a game last year?
Makes me think 22 games was never promised to anyone.
Pretty sure he only missed one game with injury.
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Didn't Grigg get dropped for a game last year?
Makes me think 22 games was never promised to anyone.
Have never said he currently is a gun or even good at AFL level , however to develop talls in particular you have to be willing to except short term sub par performances .
It's no coincidence that who have break out years , talk of the importance of clubs giving them prolonged games and having the assurance e that despite errors the club was prepared to give them time .
For ****'s sake, why do people take things so literally and believe 2nd hand s**t so gullibly?
I am sure Bachar is intelligent enough to realise nothing in this game comes for free and nothing is taken for granted.
Pity it doesn't rub off onto the internet.
The difference clearly though is that Vickery has shown he can play.Post in my opinion shows nothing and hasn't looked like it.
fair go?.... What about the rest of the playing group?
Didn't really pay off though did it? Whilst Vickery got some much needed continuity and confidence he's now "gone". Not up to it and will never ever be a good player ever again. Ask the experts on bigfooty.
Vickery has had greater opportunities .
Probably due to his ability to execute the coaches orders?
Post has never yet looked at home out on the ground and I doubt 22 gifted matches would change that much either. Astbury would have taken Pots spot rnd 1 if available.
That's my point. 2 poor games and everyone forgets how much progress he made last year.Long term doesn't equal 1 year mate. Vickery has the ability & I would say once he fixes his 2012 issue between the ears he has at the moment you and many others will swiftly jump back on him
Reality is every coach has favourites, and these guys get a little more latitude than others.
That's my point. 2 poor games and everyone forgets how much progress he made last year.
Have never said he currently is a gun or even good at AFL level , however to develop talls in particular you have to be willing to except short term sub par performances .
It's no coincidence that talls who have break out years , talk of the importance of clubs giving them prolonged games and having the assurance that despite errors the club was prepared to give them time .
It just keeps on keeping on dude.
The thing is that they dont employ people with no idea about footy, the employ people who have an idea, but that idea then makes them look like they have NFI.
As for who sees things that nobody else can see, lets put it this way, there are about 3 on this board that go around blowing the trumpet as loud as they can about the pluses of having the Tucks, Hacksons etc in the team, so there you have the definition of brilliant minds that see what no one else can see which ties in to what the brains trust can see as well.
So when you factor in that one of them wasnt wanted by any other club at the trade table and then factor in the masses here who suggest that we wont go anywhere with their inclusions, tipping when it comes to not seeing what blind freddy can see, then those who are employed are front and ****ing center.
The Richmond coaches knew that with Houlis foot skills he would be able to hold down a role on the wing or half back flank in a poor team to put him in the core group of players for the future. Last year nobody was pressureing ffor those spots so it was a safe bet, whereas post was on the same level as grimes/astbury so whoever was in form got the call up on merit last year. This year post is clearly behind grimes and batchelor looks like a 200 game player while post could be anything. therefor post doesnt get the promises Houli got. As I said Maric wouldve got the Houli spiel due to his position which nobody could argue with. It's horses for courses.
So our coaches knew more than the Essendon coaches???
What I see with Houli is a fantastic outside player.... with limited inside ability. You just dont see those type of players in the top 4 teams.
So our coaches knew more than the Essendon coaches???
What I see with Houli is a fantastic outside player.... with limited inside ability. You just dont see those type of players in the top 4 teams.
no one forgets anything dude. What you forget is that its 2 POOR games and that is about all those who you suggest forget are saying. So by what you are saying, its ok Ty you can produce s**t and we will stick with you because of s**t you produced last year, is that correct?
No he was promised 22 games. The club backed him in to perform. It was a great strategy to entice a player..... I just feel it goes against the culture of awarding players purely on merit and it would create angst amongst the playing group. Different rules for different players......
We want competition for spots... Not less spots to fight over.
I'm saying that 2 poor games doesn't mean that all of a sudden he's a spud.if he gets dropped for poor form good and well.
I'm more on about people who were whinging about him even last year and are now saying I told you so,I told you he was no good.
Lets switch it up then. Lets say he came out and kicked a bag of 4 in both games. Tipping 2 top games and the tigerheads were hailing an elite forward.
The bar has been raised for Ty and he has come up well short in 2 games. He is not alone, but at the end of the day, he was the next big thing, given "natural" improvement and growth and experience. In both games so far, we could have had a total newbie who might have offered more.
The thing that I cant quite understand is this "he had a bad day" excuse. Its as if he has played 200 consistentl good games and low ane behold he had two bad games and so we can give him the benefit of the doubt.
I would be very surprised if he gets dropped this week, but 3 bad days aint gunna look good when the selection panel sits for R4 and beyond.
The team need him to lift the end. If he doesnt or cant against top shelf defenders, we have persevered with a no 8 KPD who will be a run of the mill KPD who will carve out an AFL career and then dissappear into the sunset.
Very very few talls look comfortable previous to playing numerous games on end . Astbury was poor in defence last year , he 's a forward .
No he was promised 22 games. The club backed him in to perform. It was a great strategy to entice a player..... I just feel it goes against the culture of awarding players purely on merit and it would create angst amongst the playing group. Different rules for different players......
We want competition for spots... Not less spots to fight over.
You cant take much notice of the first two games as our new press is forcing Vicks up the ground instead of staying in the F50 like last year. Lets also remember he has less than 50 games under his belt and most weeks plays on someone with 2 to 3 times as much experience.
In our first two games he has hardly touched it so the club needs to either change his role or send him to the twos for sometime........ I know which I prefer.
I am hoping we see a return of our pre-season game plan this week against the Dees and if so I expect Vicks and any other "Dimma favourites" to produce the goods