Opinion Paine in the Best 22 This Season?

[TradeDraft]

There seems to be 2 Camps on this.

1. People who think he is
2. People who think he is a Fair Way Off

I am in the half that Think he is on the Boarder line as he has some things to work on like:

• Playing Full 4 QTR Games
• Goes Missing Early in Games
• Goal Kicking can be 50/50

Though the Things I really like about Paine:

• Elite Contested Mark
• Contestes Very Well
• Great Forward Pressure

What are your Thoughts?

 

[mattys123]

I'm in the "not quite there yet" category.

I just think he'd have to improve a fair way to be a useful member of the team during the finals. His strength is obviously his marking ability, but he seems to take most of his marks outside 50, even in the VFL, which maybe means that his work rate is great, but also that he hasn't learned how to lead backwards towards the 50 yet.

I've said all along he'll be in our best 22 as early as next year, but he'd have to improve dramatically in the last 9 games to be in serious consideration for a spot in the finals.

 

[Swooop]

Not quite there for me either.

Will be though in a year or two though definitely - no doubt about that -he'll be a very good player.

 

[Breakthelines]

There seems to be 2 Camps on this.

1. People who think he is
2. People who think he is a Fair Way Off

I am in the half that Think he is on the Boarder line as he has some things to work on like:

• Playing Full 4 QTR Games
• Goes Missing Early in Games
• Goal Kicking can be 50/50

Though the Things I really like about Paine:

• Elite Contested Mark
• Contestes Very Well
• Great Forward Pressure

What are your Thoughts?

I think he's going to be quality!
He makes it easier for structures and on Cloke when Dawes goes in the ruck and Jolly rests on the pine.
If he kicks 2-3 each game, pressures and works hard.....then he is doing his job.

 

[DThomas]

I'm on the Paine Train and think he will be a great player, but he is just outside the best 22. I would like to see him get more game time, and with more game time I think he will definitely be in the best 22.

Come aboard the Paine Train everybody!

 

[TradeDraft]

I'm on the Paine Train and think he will be a great player, but he is just outside the best 22. I would like to see him get more game time, and with more game time I think he will definitely be in the best 22.

Come aboard the Paine Train everybody!

Been on it since we drafted him

 

[danielnajdek]

We look to top heavy and slow in the forwardline when he plays along side Cloke and Dawes.

 

[TradeDraft]

We look to top heavy and slow in the forwardline when he plays along side Cloke and Dawes.

Not 100% sure on that. Though I think last week is more because of Ross Lyon Game Plan

 

[Knightmare]

It's tempting and here's why.

Looking at the drop off in form of Cloke and Dawes this year I put it down to the lack of a 3rd marking presence inside 50.

Goldsack has at times shown that he can be a marking target but I always found with Leigh Brown in the team that was when Cloke and Dawes were always at their most productive best.

Paine I suspect if played regularly would have the same affect and really take allot of pressure off the pair.

Paine is very ready to play key forward and a much more reliable and stronger marking target up forward than Dawes. The other advantage with playing Paine is that his pressuring game for a big is well above average which keeps us from being too top heavy - making it a very real possibility that the three forwards can all play together.

It just comes down to whether you rate Paine ahead of two of Goldsack/Elliott/Fasolo/Sinclair which likely will determine whether he fits into our best 22 at the end of the day. If he can continue to produce he will give the selectors something to think about.

 

[TradeDraft]

It's tempting and here's why.

Looking at the drop off in form of Cloke and Dawes this year I put it down to the lack of a 3rd marking presence inside 50.

Goldsack has at times shown that he can be a marking target but I always found with Leigh Brown in the team that was when Cloke and Dawes were always at their most productive best.

Paine I suspect if played regularly would have the same affect and really take allot of pressure off the pair.

Paine is very ready to play key forward and a much more reliable and stronger marking target up forward than Dawes. The other advantage with playing Paine is that his pressuring game for a big is well above average which keeps us from being too top heavy - making it a very real possibility that the three forwards can all play together.

It just comes down to whether you rate Paine ahead of two of Goldsack/Elliott/Fasolo/Sinclair which likely will determine whether he fits into our best 22 at the end of the day. If he can continue to produce he will give the selectors something to think about.

With the 3 Talls you could say Paine be Playing Dawes old Spot and Dawes playing the L Brown Role

 

[Sidebottom2Beams]

He has kicked a goal in each of his games , just needs to get a little more of the ball. In saying that Jack Darling only averages 3 more possessions than him so i guess he isn't that far off. He does look a little slow at times but i am sure that will change with a couple of preseasons in him but he has a great set of dukes which always tips me over the edge with players i like.

 

[themidlandmaster]

we would be too tall with Goldy, Dawes, Cloke and Paine. maybevPaine can leapfrog Dawes or replace a Fremantle bound
Cloke. maybe we could play Paint to show Trav he isn't irreplaceable

 

[Markfs]

Evidently, the club plans to send him away on a romantic honeymoon with Chris Dawes over the summer break, and hope they give birth to player who can run like Dawes and mark like Paine....

 

[Wooljay]

Based on the position he's playing, maybe he just slips into best 22, but if Krak and Caff were both fit then he wouldnt be getting a game.

 

[Knightmare]

we would be too tall with Goldy, Dawes, Cloke and Paine. maybevPaine can leapfrog Dawes or replace a Fremantle bound
Cloke. maybe we could play Paint to show Trav he isn't irreplaceable

Goldy is so quick and his pressuring so good that I don't see this a problem and he might as well be considered a small with marking ability. Dawes with his ruck role isn't forward 100% of the game anyway, but even with the big 4 forwards there is enough tackling pressure in there if you have another specialist tackling forward of the Elliott/Sinclair/Mooney variety which along with Goldsack is plenty.

West Coast do ok with: Lynch, Darling, Cox and Naitanui. If Kennedy was healthy he also would be in that team and they would have an even taller forwardline than is being suggested here for Collingwood. In addition to this they don't have the same quality of pressuring players we have with the likes of: Elliott, Sinclair and Goldsack up forward which makes them even more top heavy as a forwardline. Yet it works.

As long as Paine is best 22 - which he isn't quite yet (close), but if his form was to suggest he is then in no way does he take away from the functionality of our forwardline because there still are so many high level pressure forwards we can play alongside him that it just doesn't matter when you consider his tackling game is very reasonable.

With the 3 Talls you could say Paine be Playing Dawes old Spot and Dawes playing the L Brown Role

Correct.

 

[themidlandmaster]

Goldy is so quick and his pressuring so good that I don't see this a problem and he might as well be considered a small with marking ability. Dawes with his ruck role isn't forward 100% of the game anyway, but even with the big 4 forwards there is enough tackling pressure in there if you have another specialist tackling forward of the Elliott/Sinclair/Mooney variety which along with Goldsack is plenty.

West Coast do ok with: Lynch, Darling, Cox and Naitanui. If Kennedy was healthy he also would be in that team and they would have an even taller forwardline than is being suggested here for Collingwood. In addition to this they don't have the same quality of pressuring players we have with the likes of: Elliott, Sinclair and Goldsack up forward which makes them even more top heavy as a forwardline. Yet it works.

As long as Paine is best 22 - which he isn't quite yet (close), but if his form was to suggest he is then in no way does he take away from the functionality of our forwardline because there still are so many high level pressure forwards we can play alongside him that it just doesn't matter when you consider his tackling game is very reasonable.



Correct.

I think Paines presence would depend upon which smalls we play. If Elliot and Sinclair are playing, they land lots of tackles and provide a great deal of forward pressure. On the other hand, Didak and Fasolo rely mor upon silky skills than pressure acts and would prevent Paine being picked.

 

[PieNSauce]

With the 3 Talls you could say Paine be Playing Dawes old Spot and Dawes playing the L Brown Role

That's pretty much exactly what comes to my mind. If Dawes can continue his progress in the 2nd ruck role then I see it as a very good option but to match what we had with that constrcut Dawes will need to improve significantly as will Paine. Little doubt in my mind though that in time, Paine will be a highly valued member of the forward line.

 

[cfx_1]

It seems we are in great shape in the forward line.. Is that necessarily a bad thing? Who can we see mounting pressure on the permanent mids? Any chance of any of them getting put down back?? If so, who and why??

At current these are the forwards that have or will be playing senior footy this year..

Cloke, Dawes, Paine, Goldsack, Fasolo, Sinclair, Mooney, Elliot. Didak...
Then we have the resting Sidebottom, Beams, Blair or Wellingham. Though Wellingham has been utilised mainly off a hff this year..

Add to that Macaffer, Krak and then you would assume probably one of the resting mids when Ball is back to full fitness..

Paine can play back if needed but with Reid, Keefe, Brown and for the short term, Tarrant there's no role really for them.

I for one would love to see Fasolo trialled on the hbf. Competes well and has good decision making, plus has good kicking penetration.. Sinclair will eventually push to the midfield.. Probably not this year but perhaps next.. Elliot has been a superb pick up and IMO has better hands then Fas and is the best at applying pressure in the F50... Mooney you would think will be borderline 22 next year but do you think his speed can be utilised in midfield? Would love to get him on the wing and play a Jetta style role..

One things for sure. Depth and competition for spots will be a healthy problem for a while.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

Not yet - not enough impact yet and he still gets lost out there a bit. Lots of ability though and I definitely think he can make it. I think with Cloke, Dawes, Goldsack and Elliott and with Shaw forward for reasonable portions of games, we have plenty of overhead ability in the forward line.

It will be interesting to see if Buckley tries Tazza forward when he comes back. We're even more overstocked height wise in the backline than we are forward.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I think he's being fast tracked in case Cloke leaves.

I think the kid has what it takes to be a VERY very good key forward for us in as soon as 2 years time. He seems more nimble than Cloke and Dawes at the same age, but that could be my imagination. He's already got decent size for a 19 year old too.

I like him a lot. I think if we can continue to carry him while Cloke and Dawes are there, it'll do him a world of good for his development.

From the man himself:

JACKSON PAINE

In pre-season, there was a contest which sums up his intensity. He was leading for a mark but Nick Maxwell rolled off his opponent and was in a better position. We all thought Painey would stop, but he went bang, straight into the skipper. Can play key position or as a high half-forward.

 

[vjknight]

I think he's being fast tracked in case Cloke leaves.

hehe so every week paine plays adds to the likelihood cloke leaves.

i can see jacksons constant selection being the backpage headline of the hun, any time now.

 

[danielnajdek]

Not 100% sure on that. Though I think last week is more because of Ross Lyon Game Plan

I know it's only his first year but his chasing isn't good at all. Opposition run the ball out to easily.

 

[jonbe54]

Yes it is his 1st year D, I'm prepared to give him some slack there, has only played a couple of AFL games. He does add some structure though, will be interesting to see what Bucks has in mind for him if he makes it.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

I don't know how he is in the team this week. Did not have a great game last week, and was criticised at the time for not chasing hard enough. Will almost certainly be a good player but cannot see him best 22 this year.

 

[Krueger]

Lol as if. Heaps of potential thought. If we had a full list he wouldnt get close neither would a few of the other first year players who are currently in the team.

Whilst its great to see the young blokes performing well most will not cut come finals time. Their time will come with more games under their belt.