Goddard

[LouisCK]

Its all still money your club has in its pockets thats now gone, so if it couldnt have been used on coaching then it should have been used on better players. You now have a player to sit loose on the HBF, of which you already had players in that position. Would love to hear his reasoning for the move, has to be for money rather than success.

Melbourne already had a FF when we signed Mitch Clark. But that FF was shit, and now we have Mitch, who is really good.

Essendon might use Goddard on the HBF, and that will mean its an improvement over anyone else who was going to play there. The players he replaces will either find new positions, or ride the pine.

Its still an improvement.

 

[Jobe Watson]

Its all still money your club has in its pockets thats now gone, so if it couldnt have been used on coaching then it should have been used on better players.

Like who? Who's a better free agent this year than Brendan Goddard?

 

[The House]

A serious question (and apologies if it's been addressed and I missed it?) - what were kozi's recent and previous contracts worth in terms of approx money and years?? Had you farked off that C grader (trying to be kind) spud, could the saints have made better offers and kept ball and BJ instead of kozi???

If so, no one to blame but yourselves.

Ps. Re the cap, take out (and of course I'm speculating on these figures) monfries(400), Prismal (330), mcveigh (340), Dyson (260ish?), slattery(240), and poss lonergan (260??) and keep in mind essendon were already further below the cap than stkilda, seems like a risk worth taking to me. (non of those 6 are guaranteed best 22 by any stretch - most/poss all are not in our best side)

Time will tell of course, but BJ having an apparently disinterested year in 2012 = 24.4 disposals from a smart and penetrating user of the footy, and finishing 4th in their b&f....

Worth a crack in a successful culture IMO.

 

[CrashTestDummy]

Like who? Who's a better free agent this year than Brendan Goddard?

Good point Jobe. He's the best available.
He has played his guts out for the St.Kilda footy club in the past. Modern footy shouldn't restrain one's trade and BJ gave a decades worth at the Saints. I wish him all the best.

 

[snax]

Goddard is Proven, has finals experience, Hard & Intelligent footballer with sublime skills, this deal will benifit all

This is not a punt

 

[justintank7]

Win Win Situation For St Kilda, And For Bombers,

Clubs like St Kilda, Western Bulldogs, Melbourne are really going to struggle in free agency.....
the afl dose not want these sides winning grand finals,

thet want the carltons west coasts collingwood and hawthorn all the big pulling clubs to be up the top

 

[Plugger35]

Mate, all people who love footy have watched St. Kilda's last few years, went downhill pretty quick and you didn't have to be too intelligent to realize that none of the STK players were playing to their full capabilities or were happy out on the field - even coach had enough= greener pastures
why isn't Gilbert playing like he used to?

BJ is a great get for the bombers and will dominate

None of our players have dropped off in form as badly as Goddard since the 2010 GFs, even Gilbert. Whether that's mental or physical or both I'm not sure but he hasn't been anywhere near the same player he was in 2009/2010. If he can return to that form you might get your money's worth but if it's his form of the last two years it could be an expensive mistake.

A serious question (and apologies if it's been addressed and I missed it?) - what were kozi's recent and previous contracts worth in terms of approx money and years?? Had you farked off that C grader (trying to be kind) spud, could the saints have made better offers and kept ball and BJ instead of kozi???

If so, no one to blame but yourselves.

Ps. Re the cap, take out (and of course I'm speculating on these figures) monfries(400), Prismal (330), mcveigh (340), Dyson (260ish?), slattery(240), and poss lonergan (260??) and keep in mind essendon were already further below the cap than stkilda, seems like a risk worth taking to me. (non of those 6 are guaranteed best 22 by any stretch - most/poss all are not in our best side)

Time will tell of course, but BJ having an apparently disinterested year in 2012 = 24.4 disposals from a smart and penetrating user of the footy, and finishing 4th in their b&f....

Worth a crack in a successful culture IMO.

I'm not sure what Kosi's contracts have been in the past but I doubt he would be on much now and wouldn't have stopped us from keeping Goddard if we wanted to match your offer. Ball left for more opportunities at Collingwood rather than more money.

As for Essendon's successful culture, you haven't won a final in a decade so I'm not sure that's all it's cracked up to be.

Win Win Situation For St Kilda, And For Bombers,

Clubs like St Kilda, Western Bulldogs, Melbourne are really going to struggle in free agency.....
the afl dose not want these sides winning grand finals,

thet want the carltons west coasts collingwood and hawthorn all the big pulling clubs to be up the top

Judging by some of the umpiring this year that would seem to be the case, the big pulling clubs seem to get a better deal with umpires than other smaller clubs.

 

[LouisCK]

Win Win Situation For St Kilda, And For Bombers,

Clubs like St Kilda, Western Bulldogs, Melbourne are really going to struggle in free agency.....
the afl dose not want these sides winning grand finals,

thet want the carltons west coasts collingwood and hawthorn all the big pulling clubs to be up the top

Melbourne nabbed Mitch Clark last year (not free agency exactly, but as close as possible to free agency whilst still involving a trade). Teams with more cash are going to sign good free agents, and there will always be teams with cash and available players.

I don't think it will specifically disadvantage anyone, except for clubs that already have a wealth of great players. Colingwood are likely going to lose Wellingham (and they would be happy that its Wellingham, compared to some of the other names it could have been instead) because of precisely that situation.

 

[CrashTestDummy]

Judging by some of the umpiring this year that would seem to be the case, the big pulling clubs seem to get a better deal with umpires than other smaller clubs.

As long as we get to the ball first that shouldn't be such a problem in the immediate future.

I'm hearing you Plugger but we need to take the Umps discretion out of the game as much as possible in 2013.

 

[hollywood23]

Judging by some of the umpiring this year that would seem to be the case, the big pulling clubs seem to get a better deal with umpires than other smaller clubs.

Would you like a box of tissues, we don't want you crying yourself to sleep.

Honestly, what a crock of shit you are spinning here. Every team gets the rough end of the stick at some point, to say it has anything to do with the financial status of clubs is absolute turd, and you know it. I could easily say that we get a rough deal too, and you would probably think it is a crock as well.

Harden up champ.

 

[CrashTestDummy]

Would you like a box of tissues, we don't want you crying yourself to sleep.

Honestly, what a crock of shit you are spinning here. Every team gets the rough end of the stick at some point, to say it has anything to do with the financial status of clubs is absolute turd, and you know it. I could easily say that we get a rough deal too, and you would probably think it is a crock as well.

Harden up champ.

Great point hollywood23. I agree that the Saints do indeed need to harden up.

My best friend is a fanatical Bombers fan and I told him mid-year that Hird should organize a training camp at the Portsea Sand dunes for the dons Percy Cerutty style to sort out those soft tissue injuries.

The Saints have the beach next door. No excuses for us. Just like the Brazilian soccer players. It's better to have "legs of steel".

Your blokes may have to travel to Wangaratta though by plane.

 

[larson]

Great point hollywood23. I agree that the Saints do indeed need to harden up.

My best friend is a fanatical Bombers fan and I told him mid-year that Hird should organize a training camp at the Portsea Sand dunes for the dons Percy Cerutty style to sort out those soft tissue injuries.

The Saints have the beach next door. No excuses for us. Just like the Brazilian soccer players. It's better to have "legs of steel".

Your blokes may have to travel to Wangaratta though by plane.

He said you need to harden up instead of whinging like a 6yr old girl

 

[Slattery_20]

Win Win Situation For St Kilda, And For Bombers,

Clubs like St Kilda, Western Bulldogs, Melbourne are really going to struggle in free agency.....
the afl dose not want these sides winning grand finals,

thet want the carltons west coasts collingwood and hawthorn all the big pulling clubs to be up the top

I disagree with this; sides in decline (WB last 2 years, St K currently), or lacking direction, will struggle - not necessarily small clubs. St Kilda's at the end of an era right now.

 

[SHAKESPEARE]

Doggard...my first picked in Supercoach

 

[Ricmel]

I disagree with this; sides in decline (WB last 2 years, St K currently), or lacking direction, will struggle - not necessarily small clubs. St Kilda's at the end of an era right now.

Saints are coming off 7 years of being at or near the top. It is inevitable that they will have to dip before they can challenge again. I don't think Goddard in the team for the next 4 years would stop that dip. I do think a couple of first rounders coming in to the club in 2013 will help us challenge again sooner than later.

For Bombers I think Goddard is a pretty good get. If he can find his 2009/10 form again it could be a very good result for Bombers but at the end of the day I am happy Saints did not go a 4 year term. Long term signings have never worked for us and right now I think the focus should be on quality youngsters.

I think the trade is a win/win but Bombers may get the short term payoff, Saints the longer term.

 

[Slattery_20]

Saints are coming off 7 years of being at or near the top. It is inevitable that they will have to dip before they can challenge again. I don't think Goddard in the team for the next 4 years would stop that dip. I do think a couple of first rounders coming in to the club in 2013 will help us challenge again sooner than later.

For Bombers I think Goddard is a pretty good get. If he can find his 2009/10 form again it could be a very good result for Bombers but at the end of the day I am happy Saints did not go a 4 year term. Long term signings have never worked for us and right now I think the focus should be on quality youngsters.

I think the trade is a win/win but Bombers may get the short term payoff, Saints the longer term.

Agree fully.
4 years of a very good player for us, 10+ years of a first rounder for you to try and find the next Hayes or Montagna.
Pretty close to a win-win.

 

[Knight Ryders]

Saints are coming off 7 years of being at or near the top. It is inevitable that they will have to dip before they can challenge again. I don't think Goddard in the team for the next 4 years would stop that dip. I do think a couple of first rounders coming in to the club in 2013 will help us challenge again sooner than later.

For Bombers I think Goddard is a pretty good get. If he can find his 2009/10 form again it could be a very good result for Bombers but at the end of the day I am happy Saints did not go a 4 year term. Long term signings have never worked for us and right now I think the focus should be on quality youngsters.

I think the trade is a win/win but Bombers may get the short term payoff, Saints the longer term.

Quality post

 

[Gavin Excell]

Saints are coming off 7 years of being at or near the top. It is inevitable that they will have to dip before they can challenge again. I don't think Goddard in the team for the next 4 years would stop that dip. I do think a couple of first rounders coming in to the club in 2013 will help us challenge again sooner than later.

For Bombers I think Goddard is a pretty good get. If he can find his 2009/10 form again it could be a very good result for Bombers but at the end of the day I am happy Saints did not go a 4 year term. Long term signings have never worked for us and right now I think the focus should be on quality youngsters.

I think the trade is a win/win but Bombers may get the short term payoff, Saints the longer term.

But only if the pick is used wisely

 

[OB1]

Are you supposed to be breaking the bank for a player who is on the decline. 15% drop is still very significant.

Smart recruiting would be paying that for someone who has something left in the tank. Hopefully next year you can offer Judd 700k and we can take the first rounder.

You do realise you're already & will continue to be paying Judd more than 700K despite the fact that he's more than 2 years older & using the same stats your clinging to, has never reached the same figures Goddard has. Plus there's the bonus that we didn't have to give up Josh Kennedy & pick 3 to get him. Goddard averaged 24.4 in 2012, Judd averaged 25.1. If we are going to take rumoured figures as gospel then Judd is getting over 1 mil so thats about 20% more for about 3% more output. Who's breaking the bank again? Plus of course there's the part where our bank isn't as backrupt as yours. We don't have to borrow money from the AFL to make opperational costs or rely on a currupt benefactor to stay off recievership.

Again for all the dullards, he's not breaking the bank & he's not coming at the expence of youth. We have a massive hole in our list for senior players because our drafting from 1999-2004 was a disaster. You know that 2001 super draft that clubs have lived off for a decade (Hodge, Judd, Bartel, Ablett, Swan, Mitchel etc etc) well we got nothing from that draft, nothing from 2000 & didn't have a pick till the 40's in 1999. The 2002 & 2003 drafts weren't loaded with the same talent & again we didn't pick the right players. This has meant that we don't have the mature talent core to build around. Having Fletch creates the illusion that we are an experienced side but the reality is that we have a need for senior players. Jobe, Stanton & Fletcher were really the only 25+ year old week in/out players we had (maybe Monfries who still missed a few). This is why we had hung onto guys like Dyson. Compare that to Sydney's premiership side that had 11 players 25+ & over 100 games & its pretty clear to see that we had a hole to fill. Its also fair to say that in most sides these guys 25+ with over 100 games are usually the highest paid players. This is why we most certainly should have plenty of cap space to spare.

 

[Slattery_20]

Are you supposed to be breaking the bank for a player who is on the decline. 15% drop is still very significant.

Smart recruiting would be paying that for someone who has something left in the tank. Hopefully next year you can offer Judd 700k and we can take the first rounder.

Here's a list of home-grown Carlton champions of the last 30 years:







Peruse at your own convenience.
Enjoy your day.

 

[Lord Nicholson]

Here's a list of home-grown Carlton champions of the last 30 years:







Peruse at your own convenience.
Enjoy your day.

You forgot Lance Whitnall.

 

[borrat]

PLEASE be another figjam case

 

[OB1]

Its all still money your club has in its pockets thats now gone, so if it couldnt have been used on coaching then it should have been used on better players. You now have a player to sit loose on the HBF, of which you already had players in that position. Would love to hear his reasoning for the move, has to be for money rather than success.

yeah, stupid Essendon, they could have just spent 800K & got Dangerfield, Boak, NicNat & Swallow right.......right?

BTW you do realise that football clubs are supposed to spend their money on football? Its money we have to spend on players. We'd love to say that we already have 10 superstars so can't afford to get an established player but we don't. We have 4/5 regular players with over 100 games experience & 1 of them is the oldest player in the league. Even allowing for the retirements of Scarlett, Wojo & Byrnes delisted, Geelong will have 13 players on their list with 100+ games.

 

[MarkT2]

Win Win Situation For St Kilda, And For Bombers,

Clubs like St Kilda, Western Bulldogs, Melbourne are really going to struggle in free agency.....
the afl dose not want these sides winning grand finals,

thet want the carltons west coasts collingwood and hawthorn all the big pulling clubs to be up the top

What rubbish. If that was the case they wouldn't have a salary cap and a draft and there wouldn't be any player transfer restrictions. Free agency wasn't an AFL desire it was a player demand and quite possibly a legal imperative.

 

[Stopher]

Hypocrisy on AFL 360 last night was a bit rich. Both Robbo and Gerard suggesting in a fairly cynical tone that Goddard only went for an extra $100,000 per year, which conventiently ignored the fact that he was offered an extra year by the Bombers which, for a player who will be 30+ at the end of his next contract, is nice as some extra security approaching what would be his twilight years in the game.

5 minutes later, they have mentioned a few more names being bandied around in FA circles, then start going on about how some players have given their all at their club over the years and can get a bit burnt out and might need a fresh challenge.....I'm sorry, what?! How does this second part not apply to Goddard....anyone?

If there was ever a club suffering from a bit of mental scarring from the last 5 years (and understandably so, I might add), then it's the Saints. Talk of burnout and needing a fresh challenge would apply to them as much as anyone for that reason. And this is all without mentioning the much-loathed drive to Seaford on a daily basis.

By the way, when was the last time Essendon actually went out and 'got' a big name player still in his prime?