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Has anyone got any pics of any u 19 teams from late 80's or 90's? Before it went to tac cup? ThanksThanks.
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Would anyone have season results for the 1988 VLF reserves season where Footscray beat North in the Grand Final?
http://takata.slv.vic.gov.au/R/XM7Y...0545?func=results-next-page&result_format=002I managed to find all the scores, goal kickers and bests apart from the Grand final and also missing goals and best from round 22.
From The Age (online) 26 September 1988:-I managed to find all the scores, goal kickers and bests apart from the Grand final and also missing goals and best from round 22.
Thanks for that.Just got a chance to read it now, you saved me a trip to the State Library.
I guess the fact they don't name a best on ground award would mean that they didn't have one for the reserves?
Congratulations but be aware that some gaps in results will never be filled from newspaper reports as matches in these competitions were sometimes never played or abandoned due to shortage of players, weather and condition of grounds.WATCH THIS SPACE
!! Reserves and U19s Database Coming !!
I am currently in the process of putting together a database of results for all the Reserves and U19 games from 1919 to 1999 and also the VFL and the U18 TAC Cup matches through to the present.
I am about 90% complete with the Reserves scores and about 75% complete with the U19 scores
- need to tidy up some discrepancies and fill some gaps in the early years (trips to SLV required)
and I hope to have a web site up and running within the next couple of months (work & other commitments may delay this)
Regards, Ron
Attached some screen captures of the 1919 seasonView attachment 12287
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Congratulations but be aware that some gaps in results will never be filled from newspaper reports as matches in these competitions were sometimes never played or abandoned due to shortage of players, weather and condition of grounds.
Unlike the senior competition of the League where postponed matches were always played, in the junior competitions this seems often to not have happened.
Also, if you are not the aware the below has a substantial section on the League Seconds/Reserves which may be of use for some cross-reference.
Note too that by the time the Seconds competition got going the League had long dispensed with the title "minor premiers" and a "right of challenge".
The inventor of the 'Argus' system of finals to determine the premiership, R.W.E. Wilmot was very adamant on this issue in a number of newspaper articles in the 1920s,
Several correspondents have written re-
garding what they call "the minor premier-
ship" and "the right of challenge", and it
is extraordinary to think that these ques-
tions should be asked. There is no such
thing as the "minor premiership", nor is
there a "right of challenge".
See: The Myth of the Minor Premiers
Agree that term "minor premiers" is mainly semantics and the media seems to have resurrected it in recent years.Thx for the info re "minor prems" and "right of challenge".
Semantics in a way, but I will amend my notes so as not to perpetuate the myth.
If your regional library can't get a copy on inter-library loan, you could contact the author, Kevin Talylor at footysts@bigpond.net.auYes, I am aware of the Footy Stats publication, but haven't as yet managed to put my hand on one.
There are only 3 games in each of 1919 and 1920 that I'm missing the result and about a dozen or so that I can work out the result for but don't have the scores for and the first 2 seasons of the U19's are also a huge problem, as they seem to have occured without anyone bothering to send any info to the papers, as if they were embarassed about the comp as just about every other Junior League results were covered.
I've come up with 9621 games compared to "the quoted 9620", and that includes about 3 or 4 forfeits, the 6 unknowns, and one abandoned after about 12 minutes of 1st Q
But there's no point complaining about stuff we can't control and we'll just do the best we can with what've we got and put it up there and hope the fairy godmother comes good with some of the missing info.
Has anyone got any pics of any u 19 teams from late 80's or 90's? Before it went to tac cup? ThanksThanks.
Look at some of the names! Hird, Mercuri, Montgomery, Manton, Olarenshaw. They must've been one hell of an U/19 team!
Is Hawthorn’s score the lowest winning score in Under 19 Grade football?? Such a low winning score has been observed only twice in senior football since the Reserve Grade competition began in 1919, so one imagines it would be close.Interesting scorelines from the Under 19s in Round 15, 1986.
Hawthorn 3.10 (28) defeated St. Kilda 4.2 (26).
In the same round North Melbourne booted 29.21 (195) to Richmond 6.3 (39), with Mick Martyn slotting through 11 goals.
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!! Reserves and U19s Database Coming !!
I am currently in the process of putting together a database of results for all the Reserves and U19 games from 1919 to 1999 and also the VFL and the U18 TAC Cup matches through to the present.
I am about 90% complete with the Reserves scores and about 75% complete with the U19 scores
- need to tidy up some discrepancies and fill some gaps in the early years (trips to SLV required)
and I hope to have a web site up and running within the next couple of months (work & other commitments may delay this)
Regards, Ron
Amazing to look at those figures. With the way the system is these days it's obviously just not practical for clubs to have too many "fringe players" on their books, or to keep them for very long, so there's no real chance of current/future players making a career out of playing reserves/VFL. As for the two from Richmond who managed 0 senior games, just incredible!Here is a list of known most games played in the Reserves. Taken mainly from "Inside Football" August 5, 1992 and the "Football Record" September 22/23, 1990.
An extract from Stephen Rogers' "The Complete Book of VFL Records", page 280, which states that the Reserve Grade was established to:
"...provide for senior teams to have attached to them a junior team under the same district qualifications. The junior teams, composed entirely of amateur players, were designed to act as feeders for their respective senior clubs. In the inaugural season of 1919 the clubs to participate were Carlton (District), Collingwood (District), Fitzroy (Juniors), Leopold, Richmond (Juniors), St. Kilda (District), University A and University B (with an abundance of players University were allowed two sides) and West Melbourne. Leopold were attached to South Melbourne, West Melbourne to Essendon and the University sides to Melbourne. (Geelong, with the pick of players from local clubs which were already in established competitions, did not participate yet.) Inevitably the draw deviated from the seniors' draw. In 1920 nine clubs again participated although University had only one side and Melbourne (Juniors) entered the competition. In 1921 University were replaced in the competition by Coburg (District) and West Melbourne became Essendon (Juniors). While there were still nine senior clubs in 1922 there were ten in the reserves as Geelong this year entered. This was the situation until the end of 1924 and gradually, with closer liaison between the senior clubs, the names District and Juniors were discarded. In line with the admission of Footscray, Hawthorn and North Melbourne Senior clubs for 1925 these three also fielded reserves sides, Coburg left the competition (and joined the VFA) and Leopold merged into South Melbourne."
Sorry for the delay. Have been working in Central Australia for a few months, which makes it quite hard to get the State Library of Victoria to fill my gaps and check some discrepancies.Still hanging out for this...!
Cheers mate, hope you enjoyed your time on the road!Sorry for the delay. Have been working in Central Australia for a few months, which makes it quite hard to get the State Library of Victoria to fill my gaps and check some discrepancies.
Anyway, I'm back in Geelong and have been contacted by australianfootball.com about putting what I've got on their site, so that is more than likely going to happen.
Cheers, Ron