Review When does the Penny drop for Sando

[King Elvis]

Dittmar asked Sloane as a midfielder how he felt seeing Deledio free. He said the forwards needed to soak up the loose man. Dittmar pressed him and said why don't you man him up, he said he didn't make the moves and to ask the coaches.

Now listening to Sandos presser, seriously wtf. He knew he was a danger man and they gave it a lot of thought. No shit Sherlock, how about making a move. He lost me today.

Those comments from Sloane are a worry - sounds like some of the players might be losing faith in the coaches box as well; could be dangerous.

Take that, and I'd assume there is confusing amongst the playing group with respect to selection policy, if that's the case, it could be a recipe for disaster.

 

[Elite Crow]

The whole football world is bemused by that one, it wasn't a final but it was as stupid as Massie on Franklin. At least he changed it after half time I suppose

 

[Elite Crow]

Those comments from Sloane are a worry - sounds like some of the players might be losing faith in the coaches box as well; could be dangerous.

Take that, and I'd assume there is confusing amongst the playing group with respect to selection policy, if that's the case, it could be a recipe for disaster.

To be fair to Sloane he tried to tow the club line but Dillon kept pushing, in the end he had nothing else to say but to ask the coaches

 

[Wood_Duck]

The whole football world is bemused by that one, it wasn't a final but it was as stupid as Massie on Franklin. At least he changed it after half time I suppose

I made the comment elsewhere that Sando must be a gambler. Its not that he doesn't see situations like Deledio today, he justs backs himself and his players to make to opposition pay for it elsewhere. Last year it was coming off. On numerous occasions he forced the opposition plus one to be accountable for a Crows player. Its failing him miserably this year and like all gamblers he's giving back everything he won last year.

 

[Redline]

Coaches worst nightmare. Talk all week of what is acceptable, draw lines in the sand, rev up the players and the players dont respond.

 

[Wood_Duck]

To be fair to Sloane he tried to tow the club line but Dillon kept pushing, in the end he had nothing else to say but to ask the coaches

Not sure what Sloaney really could have said in that situation.

 

[Elite Crow]

Coaches worst nightmare. Talk all week of what is acceptable, draw lines in the sand, rev up the players and the players dont respond.

And this is why VB should hold his head in shame. 2 bloody tackles from your captain when such a big deal has been made of our lack of tackling

 

[Elite Crow]

Not sure what Sloaney really could have said in that situation.

Yep he was in a no win situation, he wasn't being disloyal but he had no other response after continually being pushed on it. Dillon was definitely fishing for the answer he got

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

What he said is we would release a forward to be spare man at stoppages . We would win a clearance but this would just feed their spares in defence. That was probably a mistake.

Personally I didn't see the game but this is what sando said at presser

The midfielders we rotate through half forward - has been Thompson, Vince, Douglas, Mackay, Sloane at various stages - are all ball hunters.

Roos spots it straight away and takes great delight in pointing it out. We are so intent on "winning the contested ball" that all our players just get drawn for the footy. These are the players that get exploited by smart back men.

Deledio's first opponent for the day at the first bounce was Scott Thompson. Thommo charged into the square, Deledio stayed back and we kicked the ball to him. Happened a million times. And when we paid more attention to Deledio, it would be Houli or Newman dropping off... very frustrating.

Getting extra numbers to the stoppages is killing us. We need our six fowards actually playing an influential role and putting themselves in dangerous positions.

You kill the drop off defender by using his man. It makes him accountable, often they get found out defensively and they are forced to defend. This is where Reilly has been found out this season. He wasn't the "loose man" all of last year despite AFGM's wild protestations, and Bickley summed up his woes during the week:

"If you do a really simple comparison of what he was able to do last year and what he's doing this year in terms of being able to shut his man down and get off and intercept – he probably hasn't been at that [same] level."

 

[Boston tiger]

Stating the obvious but losing Tex after Tippet going must have been the worst case scenario for your coaching panel and then Bailey gets suspended.
Defenders just aren't under the pressure they were before.

At least you get Trigg back soon!!!

 

[Wright Away]

At least you get Trigg back soon!!!

Did you have to post this mate, either you're trolling or ignorant.

 

[Slippery Pete]

I touched on this before yesterday's game - we have enough going against us at the minute, without having to worry about being outcoached.

Unacceptable.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Interesting to hear Roo say yesterday during the coverage that the coaches are concerned with DMac's form and confidence

However Sando said on Thur night that Dmac comes straight back in to the side because he was very good prior to his injury

Now Roo is close to the scene and wouldn't make that statement unless true and if true I have lost all confidence in the selection of the side

My money is on Radar doing a Porpy and that is he will return to the side without playing a game

Some of our guys must have fantastic training form

 

[Wood_Duck]

More and more its looking like all coaching positions should have been declared vacant when Neil stepped down. At the end of the day Sando has to take responsibility for our current mess but geez, he seems to be getting zero help.

 

[Jars458]

The midfielders we rotate through half forward - has been Thompson, Vince, Douglas, Mackay, Sloane at various stages - are all ball hunters.

Roos spots it straight away and takes great delight in pointing it out. We are so intent on "winning the contested ball" that all our players just get drawn for the footy. These are the players that get exploited by smart back men.

Deledio's first opponent for the day at the first bounce was Scott Thompson. Thommo charged into the square, Deledio stayed back and we kicked the ball to him. Happened a million times. And when we paid more attention to Deledio, it would be Houli or Newman dropping off... very frustrating.

Getting extra numbers to the stoppages is killing us. We need our six fowards actually playing an influential role and putting themselves in dangerous positions.

You kill the drop off defender by using his man. It makes him accountable, often they get found out defensively and they are forced to defend. This is where Reilly has been found out this season. He wasn't the "loose man" all of last year despite AFGM's wild protestations, and Bickley summed up his woes during the week:

Deledio was on his loansome at the bounce as richmonds extra. I was incredulous. It was right in front of me from high in the Olympic stand.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Anyone hear Doc Clarke on the radio this morning? Big fella actually fired up after some probing from Rucci, especially about the Crows reserves team. Was good to listen too.

Anyway, he got asked specifically about Deledio. Clarke said that Deledio, Cotchin and Martin had all been rotating through the midfield and half forward recently. So their planning was towards that, and the forwards' pre-game instructions was about making Newman and Houli accountable and preventing them from mopping up at the back.

Then Richmond changed it up by having Deledio across half back.

Rooch queried why did it take a quarter and a half to do something about it and Clarke said that the very first message of the game that went out was to the forwards, telling them that Deledio was now their No 1 defensive target and that they needed to round him up.

He said the responsibility wasn't directed to a single player, but to the forward line as a group. Eg whoever Deledio lined up on was responsible for making him accountable. Obviously didn't happen.

Points to a lack of onfield leadership in the forward line. Also perhaps too many non-forwards rotating through there without the smarts. Perhaps also too many players playing as individuals and worrying about their spots rather than filling the team-first, sacrificial roles. Too much faith from the coaches' box in the players to sort it out on the ground as well. Also Bickley in a role he isn't suited to. And Sando not being decisive enough to make a call early.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Deledio was on his loansome at the bounce as richmonds extra. I was incredulous. It was right in front of me from high in the Olympic stand.

Nah, he was on Thompson. You can see on the telecast that we actually have two wingmen on the near side of the ground (Thompson and Sloane) at the first bounce. Deledio didn't bother following Thommo up there.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Drugs Are Bad Mackay?

What did the big Vet say about the reserves side?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Drugs Are Bad Mackay?

What did the big Vet say about the reserves side?

Rooch was going through all his usual arguments against the idea.

Tried to pin Clarke down with stuff like CEY who is not up to league standard at the moment and in the reserves. Rooch said the two AFL clubs would have to keep selecting players like this even if they were out of their depth at league level, whereas now they can play reserves. Clarke got a bit flustered but basically shut him down saying you can't obsess over what might happen with the 20th or 21st player in a team.

 

[King Elvis]

More and more its looking like all coaching positions should have been declared vacant when Neil stepped down. At the end of the day Sando has to take responsibility for our current mess but geez, he seems to be getting zero help.

A ruthless, professional club would've done exactly that. We need to do it at the end of the year. We've got money, go get the best available - not a favourite son who thinks he might want to coach.

At least Hart had the balls to up and leave to further his career - they're the guys we want, not the ones happy to hang around indefinitely, in a comfort zone earning a couple of hundred grand a year.

Port got Richardson - the bloke is a gun. Why couldn't we get him?



And that explanation from Clarke is bloody stupid. How about letting our forwards focus on attack, and designating a tagger, LIKE VAN BERLO, to the oppositions most dangerous player.

What moron can up with the bright idea to make them all accountable (and, therefore, none of them actually are) for a single opposition player?

Jesus, even Deledio has said after the game that he couldn't believe that we let him run around without a direct opponent... What does that tell you?

 

[Mattrox]

I just wonder if there are people around Sando left over from the Craig era giving him Craig like advice. And without Bailey this background noise is disruptive. ?

 

[Footypie32]

Points to a lack of onfield leadership in the forward line. Also perhaps too many non-forwards rotating through there without the smarts. Perhaps also too many players playing as individuals and worrying about their spots rather than filling the team-first, sacrificial roles. Too much faith from the coaches' box in the players to sort it out on the ground as well. Also Bickley in a role he isn't suited to. And Sando not being decisive enough to make a call early.

A good point. We haven't realised how much Tex directed things in the forward-line. He is a massively vocal player and perhaps we are missing that more than we realise. We need a leader up forward, but right now we don't have one.

 

[King Elvis]

I think that's a great call.

Tex is a leader - our forward line now has two tall guys trying to establish themselves, Porps who probably shouldn't be in the side and is an introvert, then it's a revolving door between a bunch of guys coming in and out of the side.

Hadn't considered that before, great call.

I just wonder if there are people around Sando left over from the Craig era giving him Craig like advice. And without Bailey this background noise is disruptive. ?

Based on what's happening, I think you're spot on.

 

[mattymac]

Geez there's really not much to look forward to this season assuming we stick with our present gameplan, which is a bit like watching lambs getting slaughtered. We are so slow and only likely to get slower.

Keen to see some more of Shaw. Other than that, not much to peak the interest until Bailey comes back in rnd 17. Johnston needs to get a run so hopefully comes back after some SANFL games - maybe back around rnd 18-19.

Really hope he gets some games. We need someone who can legitimately run with Tex next year.

But jesus, thats it, unless we go back to a risk taking brand of contested, move-it-on, corridor footy there is going to be not much to get excited about til the move to AO. Footy park is going to go out with the most pathetic of whimpers, probably no SA team in the finals.

 

[King Elvis]

If we played LJ when we should've, maybe he wouldn't have busted his knee cap