List Mgmt. 2013 List Management Resource Thread

[NTRabbit]

Season is over as far as finals are concerned, and I expect any more retirements to start trickling out soon, so here's the thread for the third year running, go to source for all changes to the playing list over the break.

Nobody goes on the list until there's at least an official club statement, or the name is read out at the draft. Plenty of space for rumours, bargains and lies in the Trading & Free Agency and Draft... are we even bothering with a Draft thread this year? megathreads.

All Departures (to)
Ian Callinan (Delisted)
Graham Johncock (Retired)
Nick Joyce (Delisted)
Aidan Riley (Delisted, Melbourne)
Richard Tambling (Delisted)
Bernie Vince (Melbourne)
Rookies
Ben Dowdell (Delisted) (Category B)
Tim Klaosen (Delisted) (Category B)
Tim McIntyre (Delisted)
Dylan Orval (Delisted)
Draft picks
#64 (Geelong)
Football Department Staff


Free Agency & Trade Arrivals (from)
Eddie Betts (Carlton)
James Podsiadly (Geelong)
Draft Picks
#23 (Melbourne)
Football Department Staff
Heath Younie (Reserves Coach)
Peter Jonas (Reserves Assistant Coach?)
Tate Kaesler (Reserves Assistant Coach?)
Alan Stewart (Reserves Assistant Coach?)
Matthew Clarke (Reserves Assistant Coach?)
Jarrod Cotton (Reserves Midfield Coach, part time)
Ian Callinan (Reserves Development Coach and Captain)

Elevations (to)
Rory Laird (Senior List)
Kyle Hartigan (Senior List)

National Draft (from)
#23 Matt Crouch (North Ballarat)
#46 Riley Knight (Woodville West Torrens)
Preseason Draft (from)

Rookie Draft (from)
#6 Charlie Cameron (Swan Districts)
#24 James Battersby (Sturt)
#42 Jake Kelley (Oakleigh)
#60 Alex Spina (North Adelaide)

International/Alternative Talent Rule (from)


Number Changes (previous, last owner)
James Battersby (43, Riley)
Eddie Betts (18, Johncock)
Charlie Cameron (42, Joyce)
Matt Crouch (44, Dowdell)
Jake Kelly (47, Wright)
Sam Kerridge (17, Vince)
Riley Knight (39, Klaosen)
Rory Laird (29, Kerridge)
James Podsiadly (1, Tambling)
Alex Spina (46, Laird)
Not Used: 37 (Callinan), 48 (Orval), 49 (McIntyre)

National Draft Order (final)
Round 1
1. GWS
2. GWS
3. St Kilda
4. Western Bulldogs
5. Gold Coast
6. Collingwood
7. Brisbane
8. North Melbourne
9. GWS (Ablett compensation, on-traded by Geelong via Gold Coast)
10. Collingwood
11. West Coast (Thomas compensation, on-traded by Collingwood)
12. Richmond
13. Carlton
14. GWS
15. Sydney
16. Geelong
17. Fremantle
18. St Kilda
19. St Kilda (Franklin compensation, on-traded by Hawthorn)

Compensation
20. Gold Coast (Bock compensation, on-traded by Adelaide via Richmond)

Round 2
21. Port Adelaide
22. Brisbane
23. Adelaide (Sylvia compensation, on-traded by Melbourne)
24. Hawthorn
25. Brisbane (Dal Santo compensation, on-traded by St Kilda)
26. Essendon
27. Gold Coast
28. Brisbane
29. GWS
30. North Melbourne
31. West Coast
32. Sydney
33. Brisbane
34. Brisbane
35. Sydney
36. Geelong
37. Fremantle
38. Hawthorn

Round 3
39. Carlton
40. Melbourne
41. Geelong
42. Western Bulldogs
43. West Coast
44. Sydney
45. Port Adelaide
46. Adelaide
47. North Melbourne
48. GWS
49. West Coast
50. Richmond
51. Carlton
52. Port Adelaide
53. Sydney
54. Geelong
55. Essendon
56. Hawthorn
...
82. Adelaide
110. Adelaide


Important Dates
Friday 4 October - Gillette AFL restricted free agency offer and unrestricted free agency period begins.

Friday 4 October by 2pm - Gillette AFL father-son bidding nominations; Academy bidding nominations lodged with AFL.

Monday 7 October 10am - father/son and Academy players bidding meeting; Gillette AFL Trade period begins.

Friday 18 October at 5pm - close of Gillette AFL restricted free agency offer and unrestricted free agency period.

Monday 21 October - Gillette AFL restricted free agency matching offer three-day period ends.

Friday 25 October at 2pm - Gillette AFL Trade period closes.

Thursday 31 October by 2pm - list lodgement (1); rookie promotion to primary list; retained second and third-year rookies; scholarship players; alternate talent player nominations.

Friday 1 November - Gillette AFL delisted player free agency period (1) begins.

Friday 8 November - international players inclusion on rookie list form; players not registered or played for 3 years rookie list form lodgement.

Wednesday 13 November - Gillette AFL delisted player free agency period (1) closes; out of contract listed AFL primary list players draft nomination form and player request for removal from list form lodged with AFL; new or expired (after 3 years) draft nomination form lodgement. Priority zone selections – NSW/ACTand NT on the primary list of GWS Giants.

Thursday 14 November by 2pm - list lodgement (2) and TPP estimates.

Friday 15 November - Gillette AFL delisted player free agency period (2) commences.

Monday 18 November – delisted primary list draft nomination form lodgement; non–retained rookie players draft nomination form lodgement; Gillette AFL delisted free agency period (2) concludes.

Thursday 21 November - NAB AFL Draft selection meeting (Gold Coast Convention Centre).

Friday 22 November - Gillette AFL delisted player free agency period (3) commences.

Monday 25 November - Gillette AFL delisted free agency period (3) concludes; AFL club list lodgement (3); notification of NSW and Qld pre-selected rookies, father-son pre-selected rookies, Academy pre-selected rookies, international scholarship pre-selected rookies and scholarship pre-selected rookies nominated if not selected in the pre-season draft.

Wednesday 27 November - NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft selection meeting (11am, Telstra Webex); NAB AFL Rookie Draft selection meeting (11.10am, Telstra Webex)

Monday 2 December – final list lodgement and final TPP estimates.

 

[Elder van Berlo]

Good start. Quick question on draft order - have any clubs activated GC/GWS compo picks this year?

 

[AdelaideFan14]

Good start. Quick question on draft order - have any clubs activated GC/GWS compo picks this year?

GWS have a mid 1st round selection and Gold Coast have an end of first round selection activated I think.

 

[Hank93]

Sticky Vader cmndstab Allefgib?

 

[NTRabbit]

It takes me a while to get the draft order right with all the compensation picks thrown around, AFL is still a month away at least from putting out the draft orders and timetables.

By happy coincidence my failure to remove us from the first two rounds (17+17 instead of 18+18) worked nicely into my not knowing the two compensation picks had been activated.

This year I also included the Football Department Staff in the list, because I dreamed a dream we took a broom to some of the assistant coaches.

 

[Elder van Berlo]

It takes me a while to get the draft order right with all the compensation picks thrown around, AFL is still a month away at least from putting out the draft orders and timetables.

By happy coincidence my failure to remove us from the first two rounds (17+17 instead of 18+18) worked nicely into my not knowing the two compensation picks had been activated.

This year I also included the Football Department Staff in the list, because I dreamed a dream we took a broom to some of the assistant coaches.

Yep, you've done well. Hope you didn't take it as me being critical; just trying to help.

 

[NTRabbit]

No worries, last year it took me 20 attempts to get the draft order right, and that was with only the GF left to change it

 

[Vader]

Thread can be stickied and closed, until we actually have something to announce - otherwise it just fill up with rubbish like the previous post (which clearly belongs in one of the other list management related threads).

 

[NTRabbit]

Thread opened and updated, draft order courtesy of @a1118868

Please do remember to keep all the speculation to the speculation threads and the discussion to the discussion threads, this is purely for finalised list changes and any updates to AFL date/Draft order/etc

 

[Allefgib]

Report anything you want removed.

 

[Hank93]

Orval, McIntyre and Klaosen delisted from the rookie list.

 

[riolimagic]

is Mitch Grigg signed up yet

 

[NTRabbit]

is Mitch Grigg signed up yet

RORY Laird's day of recognition went beyond a hard-earned Rising Star nomination to include a new contract at the Adelaide Football Club today.
Laird, 19, and midfielder Mitch Grigg, 20, have signed two-year contract extensions at West Lakes.

 

[Macjoe]

RORY Laird's day of recognition went beyond a hard-earned Rising Star nomination to include a new contract at the Adelaide Football Club today.
Laird, 19, and midfielder Mitch Grigg, 20, have signed two-year contract extensions at West Lakes.

That's great.

It's also quite interesting. Laird is currently a Rookie - so when did this happen, and what is he being contracted as? I hope it means that AFC have officially (lovely word that, today ) put in the paperwork to say he will be upgraded to the Primary list come draft day.
But AFC can't yet, 'cos we haven't delisted anyone yet, and with Johncock off, and Betts on our list is currently maxed, we can't add anyone.
Who cares - after Tippetgate I have no doubt the paperwork and AFL Player rules compliance will be scrupulous. One way or another Laird is on board.
Hartigan next?

 

[NTRabbit]

That's great.

It's also quite interesting. Laird is currently a Rookie - so when did this happen, and what is he being contracted as?

That happened the Tuesday he received his nomination back in August, and presumably "2 year contract extension" for Laird meant he was offered a 2 year senior list contract starting next season, essentially agreed terms and guaranteed elevation during the National Draft, because he would have been able to leave in the same way we snatched up Jenkins if we had held off too long.

As for a list spot - he doesn't get elevated until our final selection of the National Draft, which is well after the list lodgment that will contain all of our delistees and other departures.

 

[Elder van Berlo]

How many picks will we have in the rookie draft? We need to replace Orval and McIntyre. From what I understand Klaosen doesn't count. Laird is almost definitely upgraded... So is that 3 picks and 4 if Hartigan gets upgraded as well?

 

[Bacon8]

How many picks will we have in the rookie draft? We need to replace Orval and McIntyre. From what I understand Klaosen doesn't count. Laird is almost definitely upgraded... So is that 3 picks and 4 if Hartigan gets upgraded as well?

If we only have 39 on the main list too (so after the PSD), then we can have a 5th rookie (from my understanding)

 

[Elder van Berlo]

What's the benefit of doing that? Does it mean we can upgrade a rookie immediately without a LTI?

 

[Bacon8]

What's the benefit of doing that? Does it mean we can upgrade a rookie immediately without a LTI?

I think there's TPP reasons to do it (generally)

Not sure about rookie promotion, but quite possible.

 

[AFC979810]

Anyone else concerned that we have gone through the Trade/Free Agent/National Draft periods and failed to address our lists 2 biggest weaknesses (Lack of an outside, pacy midfielder and a 2nd ruckman)?

 

[Mattrox]

Anyone else concerned that we have gone through the Trade/Free Agent/National Draft periods and failed to address our lists 2 biggest weaknesses (Lack of an outside, pacy midfielder and a 2nd ruckman)?

No, because that will not fix an immediate need anyway. Knight is supposed to be good on the outside anyway. And we still have the rookie draft to come to address future needs. O'Brian is pacey if we happen to land him.

 

[AFC979810]

No, because that will not fix an immediate need anyway. Knight is supposed to be good on the outside anyway. And we still have the rookie draft to come to address future needs. O'Brian is pacey if we happen to land him.

Our luck of a 2nd ruckman isn't an immediate need? I would say its the biggest immediate need we have. Especially since our senior list only has 2 players over 200cm on it.

 

[Vader]

Anyone else concerned that we have gone through the Trade/Free Agent/National Draft periods and failed to address our lists 2 biggest weaknesses (Lack of an outside, pacy midfielder and a 2nd ruckman)?

2nd Ruckman is definitely one of our biggest needs. I'm not convinced that an outside, pacy midfielder falls into the same category.

We have a dire shortage of young tall players of all descriptions - rucks, defenders and forwards. Siggins is the only tall drafted in the ND since 2009 - and there is no certainty at all that he will make it. For the most part our drafting since 2009 has been midget city. We've drafted a few talls in the RD in that time (Dowdell, Osborne, ...) but Hartigan is the only one who has been good enough to earn an AFL debut.

The recruitment of Betts has gone a long way towards resolving our need for a small, crumbing forward - but we really need to be thinking about drafting his replacement right now, given that he's 27 (Happy Birthday, Eddie!) and probably won't be around for more than 3-4 years.

 

[Mattrox]

Our luck of a 2nd ruckman isn't an immediate need? I would say its the biggest immediate need we have. Especially since our senior list only has 2 players over 200cm on it.

Of course it is but you are reading it wrong. A raw recruit ruck man from the ND would struggle to get a game in '14. Even if we got one we still have a pressing need for the next 2 years. Getting a new recruit will NOT address our immediate need. We will need to trade for one next year. We'll also have to hope Jenkins and Sauce stay reasonably fit all year.

 

[AFC979810]

Of course it is but you are reading it wrong. A raw recruit ruck man from the ND would struggle to get a game in '14. Even if we got one we still have a pressing need for the next 2 years. Getting a new recruit will NOT address our immediate need. We will need to trade for one next year. We'll also have to hope Jenkins and Sauce stay reasonably fit all year.

Not reading it wrongly at all. We had a chance through three different types of acquisition periods to address our biggest needs and we didn't. I am not saying we should have drafted a ruckman as i realise they take time (although I would have been very happy with 20 year old 205cm/105kilo Rory Lobb).

What I am worried about is that if Sam Jacobs doesn't play for 10+ games (for whatever reason) it hurts us because not only will we have to play a s**t ruckman in Graham - but we won't get those 10 precious games into a developing ruckman - thus wasting them.