Carlton's list

[Gus Poyet]

Can you teach me how to football?

Not likely. Anyone who lives in Leeds is beyond help.

 

[Nostradumbass]

Not likely. Anyone who lives in Leeds is beyond help.

Cool.

So you're one of the 12%?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Because only around 12% of football fans actually have a clue about football.

The rest are the very same morons who call "ball" .0134 of a second after being tackled.

It's funny cos it's true.

 

[Gus Poyet]

Cool.

So you're one of the 12%?

Top 5 percentile.

 

[Oneiros]

Ok guys this isn't the bay so lets not waste our time trolling the blues. This is a serious question re how deep the blues should cut their list to rebuild this season.

Obviously we can't have another power house of the comp linger in the wasteland for a few decades like Richmond have so the blues have to rebuild. Should the be cutting everyone over 25 except out and out stars like Judd? Should they be turning over young KPPs who have shown a little but not a lot such as Watson?

Would you trade someone like Gibbs or Murphy who have currency?

Warnock? ect ect.

Anyhow without being a bunch of trolls what would you do with their list?

Lance Uppercut will be pissed you stole his thunder!

 

[Nostradumbass]

Top 5 percentile.

You've got a certificate to prove that?

 

[Kakkle]

No f**king idea how someone like Nick Graham cannot get a game over McClean.

 

[kazzooka]

Is the Carrazzo eveyone is saying to delist the same guy they were raving about when he was injured last year?

"don't worry when we get Carrazzo back we'll be right." they said. then he came back and they beat Melbourne or some other crap team and declared him a star.

Was apparently BOG last week (according to media; got himself a free pillow) despite not actually having any impact on the game.

Why would you delist a guy who can be BOG without having an influence in a losing side?

 

[Dynamics]

You've got to be realistic. You can't replace 10 players through the draft and the last thing we need is to pick up opposition rejects.

We can't afford to get rid of talls. Our depth in that department is abysmal. Watson stays. Waite on a massively reduced contract or onto the rookie list. Warnock stays as back up for Kreuzer.

We've already lost Bootsma and Duigan of the senior list. Much as it hurts, Lucas looks gone. One or both of McLean and Carrazzo. If one stays, again on a severely reduced contract.

Totally agree with this. There's no point hacking and slashing just to replace them with has-beens and never-weres.

You do need to be proactive though and make hard calls. Retiring older players and trading out good footballers can be very painful and can backfire but it does free up cap space to target free agents and you avail yourself of additional quality draft picks.

The main thing is that the coach needs to decide that the list cannot and will not win a premiership. Mick was deluded as early as the start of this year, talking about premiership windows and whatnot. At least he now realises that serious changes are required.

Next step is to develop a clear vision for your squad (has Mick done this?), do your best to ensure your recruitment and development are top notch and trust them to deliver you what you need.

It'll be very interesting to see what happens at Carlton over the next 12 months.

 

[Gus Poyet]

You've got a certificate to prove that?

Just trophies and medals.

 

[Nostradumbass]

Just trophies and medals.

 

[mike123]

Totally agree with this. There's no point hacking and slashing just to replace them with has-beens and never-weres.

You do need to be proactive though and make hard calls. Retiring older players and trading out good footballers can be very painful and can backfire but it does free up cap space to target free agents and you avail yourself of additional quality draft picks.

The main thing is that the coach needs to decide that the list cannot and will not win a premiership. Mick was deluded as early as the start of this year, talking about premiership windows and whatnot. At least he now realises that serious changes are required.

Next step is to develop a clear vision for your squad (has Mick done this?), do your best to ensure your recruitment and development are top notch and trust them to deliver you what you need.

It'll be very interesting to see what happens at Carlton over the next 12 months.

Mick last year didn't like the list

 

[SSSSSS]

Too many peahearts in their team that have no winning mentality. Loads of talent between Yarran, Thomas, Garlett but you wont see them put their head over the ball or land a game saving tackle. Not only are most of their list a bunch of plodders but with a few exceptions they are pretty gutless.

Just have to look at the bottom end of players on the top lists. Players like Spangher, Puopolo, Rampe, K.Mitchell, Matt White etc. are probably on the bottom end of talent in the AFL but the way they apply and throw themselves at every contest just makes them twice the player. Most of Carlton's bottom end players would be of an equivalent skill level or perhaps even higher but they have nowhere near the determination.

It's not just a matter of talent but it's a matter of desire. They either don't want to win or don't know how. The only player that knows how to win and looks like he gives a shit every game is Judd and he wont be around much longer.

 

[The Blue Baggers]

all is not lost

kreuzer back next year will make a big difference .. warnock outside the tap is a liability

henderson back to CHB, levi casboult CHF ... waite / jamison gives us a structure

resign gibbs & yarran add murphy, thomas, plus the young kids menzel, cripps and buckley

mclean, carazzo, to be moved on

hopefully judd plays another year

expect the blues to be back in the 8 next year

 

[mike123]

Too many peahearts in their team that have no winning mentality. Loads of talent between Yarran, Thomas, Garlett but you wont see them put their head over the ball or land a game saving tackle. Not only are most of their list a bunch of plodders but with a few exceptions they are pretty gutless.

Just have to look at the bottom end of players on the top lists. Players like Spangher, Puopolo, Rampe, K.Mitchell, Matt White etc. are probably on the bottom end of talent in the AFL but the way they apply and throw themselves at every contest just makes them twice the player. Most of Carlton's bottom end players would be of an equivalent skill level or perhaps even higher but they have nowhere near the determination.

It's not just a matter of talent but it's a matter of desire. They either don't want to win or don't know how. The only player that knows how to win and looks like he gives a shit every game is Judd and he wont be around much longer.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Don't think the list is as bad as you think but they really lack KPP, when you have to move Henderson and Levi is your best forward there are issues

 

[Kakkle]

all is not lost

kreuzer back next year will make a big difference .. warnock outside the tap is a liability

henderson back to CHB, levi casboult CHF ... waite / jamison gives us a structure

resign gibbs & yarran add murphy, thomas, plus the young kids menzel, cripps and buckley

mclean, carazzo, to be moved on

hopefully judd plays another year

expect the blues to be back in the 8 next year

On what basis? Nothing you said in your post is convincing of that.

 

[SSSSSS]

all is not lost

kreuzer back next year will make a big difference .. warnock outside the tap is a liability

henderson back to CHB, levi casboult CHF ... waite / jamison gives us a structure

resign gibbs & yarran add murphy, thomas, plus the young kids menzel, cripps and buckley

mclean, carazzo, to be moved on

hopefully judd plays another year

expect the blues to be back in the 8 next year

Of all them players only 3-5 are of top 8 quality. Murphy, Jamison, Henderson and Gibbs. Judd is borderline depending on which Judd shows up.

Yarran hasn't done anything to justify the hype. Waite ditto and is a complete nutter. Kreuzer is in the medical room more then he is on the field and even then he isn't the talent that you were hoping he would be (not yet anyway).

Menzel, Cripps and Buckley are bright stars in an otherwise dim future but you can't expect them to carry you to the top 8.

The massive problem with Carlton is you have 2-3 A-graders and a whole bunch of shit after that and to make matters worse you probably have the worst crop of youth coming in out of all the clubs.

 

[Squadron82]

Have to make the hard decisions, need to try and get some value for Gibbs, Kruz, Walker, Garlett, Warnock, Lucas

Need to **** off Carazzo, McLean, Waite, Watson, and a few other soft *****.

But having said that, I think that is too much to trim off the list, but we need to really make the hard decisions now, it is already too late for my club, going to be another 10 years of ****ing shit.

 

[HBF]

No f**king idea how someone like Nick Graham cannot get a game over McClean.

Just about every Carlton supporter is wondering the same thing.
It's just criminal he can't even string two games together.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Didn't malthouse say list only needs minor repair before blues are a contender ?

 

[mike123]

Of all them players only 3-5 are of top 8 quality. Murphy, Jamison, Henderson and Gibbs. Judd is borderline depending on which Judd shows up.

Yarran hasn't done anything to justify the hype. Waite ditto and is a complete nutter. Kreuzer is in the medical room more then he is on the field and even then he isn't the talent that you were hoping he would be (not yet anyway).

Menzel, Cripps and Buckley are bright stars in an otherwise dim future but you can't expect them to carry you to the top 8.

The massive problem with Carlton is you have 2-3 A-graders and a whole bunch of shit after that and to make matters worse you probably have the worst crop of youth coming in out of all the clubs.

Yarran has kicked 13 goals off a half-back flank.

 

[Dynamics]

I'm so tempted to wind up Carlton right now, but I won't. Because the reality is that any club can rebuild itself if it does it properly, and from the ground up (see Port Adelaide for an example of this).

 

[fishardansin]

You've got to be realistic. You can't replace 10 players through the draft and the last thing we need is to pick up opposition rejects.

We can't afford to get rid of talls. Our depth in that department is abysmal. Watson stays. Waite on a massively reduced contract or onto the rookie list. Warnock stays as back up for Kreuzer.

We've already lost Bootsma and Duigan of the senior list. Much as it hurts, Lucas looks gone. One or both of McLean and Carrazzo. If one stays, again on a severely reduced contract.

Yep Lucas looks like poop and McLean lucky to get his latest contract. Carrazzo is still worth a spot on the list and wont get you much in a trade so I'd hang on to him. However, with FA and trading you can turn over the list with about 10 players. I think Waite and Walker will get you something in a trade.

While Malthouse hasn't actually got many premierships outside of the two he got with the list he inherited at West Coast he did manage to keep Collingwood there and there abouts with a side that was fairly average. He always got the right kid and played him in the right role for him. Once the right developement and recruiting staff are at Carlton I wouldn't be afraid of loading up on 3rd and 4th round picks, as well as upgrading them for 2nd rounders.

 

[fishardansin]

Top 5 percentile.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect