List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion Part II

[copthat]

everyone was slow today by the look of it. Pickett's best 2.80

Why do they do the Combine Testing on wooden floorboards? I saw a short video of an agility test and the poor bloke was slipping and sliding all over the shop. Surely the surface wouldn't give a true indication of the players' ability?

 

[tigs2010]

So don't get Danger next year get Cockatoo this year?

Where's the taco meme when you need it?

He's obviously not the same level talent. He's quick but not Danger quick and he'd be more inclined to play back rather than forward when not in the midfield. He does have potential to be an A-grader. Was hoping we'd try get him as a late/rookie pick but I think we'd be pushing it to get him with a 3rd now.

 

[tigs2010]

You mean he hits targets and doesn't commit turnovers.

Certainly doesn't average 4 TO's a game.*






*He actually might. I have no idea.

 

[theflea]

Where's the taco meme when you need it?

He's obviously not the same level talent. He's quick but not Danger quick and he'd be more inclined to play back rather than forward when not in the midfield. He does have potential to be an A-grader. Was hoping we'd try get him as a late/rookie pick but I think we'd be pushing it to get him with a 3rd now.

Would our pick 31 get him or would he be gone by then?

 

[_RT_]

Where's the taco meme when you need it?

He's obviously not the same level talent. He's quick but not Danger quick and he'd be more inclined to play back rather than forward when not in the midfield. He does have potential to be an A-grader. Was hoping we'd try get him as a late/rookie pick but I think we'd be pushing it to get him with a 3rd now.

Here save it.

 

[Calcium Man]

Where's the taco meme when you need it?

He's obviously not the same level talent. He's quick but not Danger quick and he'd be more inclined to play back rather than forward when not in the midfield. He does have potential to be an A-grader. Was hoping we'd try get him as a late/rookie pick but I think we'd be pushing it to get him with a 3rd now.

I'd walk away happy with the draft if we got Weller/Ahern at 11 or if gone Duggan and then Cockatoo at 30 odd if we were real lucky Smith there and cockatoo later. Plus Panos in the rookie draft.... **** while I'm at it Petracca, McCartin and Durdin.

 

[Calcium Man]

Would our pick 31 get him or would he be gone by then?

Get the feeling he might still be a bit of bigfooty hype player and he'll last to 3rd round. He hasn't played all year and is from NT so it would not be easy to get a gauge on him.

 

[Stylo]

Would our pick 31 get him or would he be gone by then?

I reckon that's borderline now. IMO we should be able to get one of Smith, Garlett or Cockatoo at our second.

 

[THE_GUN]

I think you're overrating Steele. Nice player but good chance to be there at our third I reckon. I would hesitate to downgrade our first, given Weller or Ahern are a step up on what you'd get at 20.

Another pick in the top 40 would be great. I'd trade any of those you mention, except Grimey.

I rate Steele highly extremely good footballer that just makes the correct decision when it matters and is a very smart player

Im not confident that Ahern or Weller will be available @ #12 TBH

 

[captain cotch 9]

Marc Pittonet (Oakleigh Chargers)

Born 3.6.1996, 201cm, 100kg

AFL biography: Ruckman who is highly competitive and aggressive in the contest and directs the ball well at stoppages. Has good skills set including his overhead marking.

Mark Smart, Oakleigh Chargers, development manager: "He's really stood up in the last part of the year and he was probably our best player in the finals. He's a big, strong, aggressive ruckman and his hit-outs to advantage and ability to get around the ground with some athleticism really stood out to me. He really impacted games and he played against some real quality opponents, especially throughout the finals, so I think he stamped himself as the best ruckman in the competition."



Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...he-ruckmen-20141001-10op78.html#ixzz3Ew8C3o00

 

[Michaels]

Just as a FYI, Toby McLean just scored 27/30 in the buckley kicking test.

Source: Paige Cardona.. not sure how reliable it is but lets run with it.. Oakleigh Chargers retweeted it so it must be on the money.

 

[Tigerland]

Dan Richardson on AFL trade radio... Draft has midfield depth and that is what we'll be going after.

 

[Calcium Man]

lol

 

[SumTingWong]

lol

I thought he couldn't kick

 

[Calcium Man]

I thought he couldn't kick

TBH the test isn't that great, it gives you a bit of an idea but plenty of very very good kicks don't ace it.

 

[theflea]

lol

I thought he skills were ordinary?

 

[Stylo]

lol

Dammit! I really want him at our 2nd.

 

[theflea]

We might just have to use a first to get him as I fear he will be gone by pick 31.

 

[bananatigz]

Still think there is a fairly good chance he's there at 31, he's played one game all year, until the last week was still very up in the air whether he'd get drafted at all.

 

[_RT_]

lol

Kicked 3 goals and 2 posters in the goal kicking test as well.

 

[Mr Magic]

I have no issue getting Cockatoo first round pick after his sprint results and also went well agility wise to apparently.

We can get Garlett or Mclean or others second round.

Cockatoo meets the definition of X factor but its the size/weight for an indigenuous player with height/plus leap and ability that minimises risk IMO.

I would even get the recruits Waylon in as a rookie and Choco can assist them and we could get a nitro glycern boost to the clubs prospects going forward! We could really create a climate for them to excel and Edwards can assist with his leadership to!

The other thing with Cockatoo is he has traits that suggest he could play inside, outside, back or forward. It gives him more of an opportunity to succeed at AFL if he can play effectively in other roles. His weight means he has the basis to stick tackles defensively as well. Just wish I had seen some vision of him last week!

For me Cockatoo is less of a reach at our current first round pick than Conca was. Just my opinion!

 

[Danog]

Kicked 3 goals and 2 posters in the goal kicking test as well.

Cheers campaigner

 

[bigstyletiger]

I remember that. It's good judgment... get players who excel at the 4 basics:

1. Neutral ball: strong contested ability (win ball)
2. Team in possession: they're good kicks (disposal)
3. Opposition in possession: they're competitive as hell (force neutral, or win back ball)
and...
4. Off-field: they're great characters, take direction well, and inspire those around them to work hard

Everything else is secondary to the above fundamentals.

Speed is useful, but is also secondary to the ability to 1. win the contested ball and and usually 2. have good kicks to share the ball around to the player with speed.
A good mark is useful, but is also secondary to a good kick, who is capable of making it an easier mark.
A good tackler is useful, but it also secondary to having that competitive beast nature and desire/hunger for the contest, which usually results in a full range of defensive acts

And just quietly, I think a good handballer is almost equal to a good kick. It serves the same purpose as a kick; increases ball speed, retains possession. But the ratio is lower, ideally 60% kicks 40% handballs, which is why I rate someone like Shane Edwards in the 'elite disposer' category 2.

You can't have every quality in every player. You need to prioritise traits. Speed is not one of those priorities.

And none of those traits amount to anything without an amazing 4. Off-field. The family focus and 'there's more to life' philosophy will hold us in good stead. We need some Luke Hodge/Joel Selwood level of rough leadership though IMO, as evident by the playing group's wishes for Trent to get rougher on everyone. Every elite group needs a combination of skilful leaders, heart leaders, and warrior leaders. Our best warriors are Maric and Morris.

Great post. Really well put. Easy to get sucked in by an outstanding offensive quality but really need to hit those markers otherwise you're a liability in today's football.

 

[_RT_]

DAY TWO DRAFT COMBINE RESULTS
20 metre sprint results
Marvin Baynham 2.81secs
Oleg Markov 2.87
Jarrod Pickett 2.87
Reece McKenzie 2.87
Connor Menadue 2.88
Nakia Cockatoo 2.90
Ed Langdon 2.92
Paddy Brophy 2.93
Conor McKenna 2.93
Nathan Drummond 2.93

Agility results
Clem Smith 8.09secs
Daniel McKenzie 8.10
Conor McKenna 8.12
Jarrod Pickett 8.13
Teia Miles 8.27
Lukas Webb 8.28
Josh McGuinness 8.33
Billy Stretch 8.33
Kyle Langford 8.36
Jack Lonie 8.37

Repeat sprint results
Nakia Cockatoo 23.93secs
Nathan Drummond 23.95
Daniel Nielson 23.99
Daniel McKenzie 24.02
Ed Langdon 24.06
Oleg Markov 24.14
Connor Menadue 24.14
Conor McKenna 24.16
Matthew Goodyear 24.49
Jack Hiscox 24.36

 

[Calcium Man]

DAY TWO DRAFT COMBINE RESULTS
20 metre sprint results
Marvin Baynham 2.81secs
Oleg Markov 2.87
Jarrod Pickett 2.87
Reece McKenzie 2.87
Connor Menadue 2.88
Nakia Cockatoo 2.90
Ed Langdon 2.92
Paddy Brophy 2.93
Conor McKenna 2.93
Nathan Drummond 2.93

Agility results
Clem Smith 8.09secs
Daniel McKenzie 8.10
Conor McKenna 8.12
Jarrod Pickett 8.13
Teia Miles 8.27
Lukas Webb 8.28
Josh McGuinness 8.33
Billy Stretch 8.33
Kyle Langford 8.36
Jack Lonie 8.37

Repeat sprint results
Nakia Cockatoo 23.93secs
Nathan Drummond 23.95
Daniel Nielson 23.99
Daniel McKenzie 24.02
Ed Langdon 24.06
Oleg Markov 24.14
Connor Menadue 24.14
Conor McKenna 24.16
Matthew Goodyear 24.49
Jack Hiscox 24.36

****en hell Cockatoo way to go under the radar...

interesting Petracca didn't win the agility his best is meant to be sub 8 sec which is phenomenal.