Tertiary and Continuing Which degrees are useless/useful?

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I studied Commerce majoring in sport management and marketing, completing it in 2002. Unless you have great contacts, it's almost impossible to get a decent paid job (and the competition for those roles is huge). By all means do it if you really have your heart set on it, but IMO it's a business arts degree. Loved it but doesn't really get you anywhere for 99% of students.
 
rdhopkins2 said:
I studied Commerce majoring in sport management and marketing, completing it in 2002. Unless you have great contacts, it's almost impossible to get a decent paid job (and the competition for those roles is huge). By all means do it if you really have your heart set on it, but IMO it's a business arts degree. Loved it but doesn't really get you anywhere for 99% of students.
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Sports management isn't a great career choice from all reports. Little work in the industry, and of the stuff that is available, most employers demand highly-qualified and skilled people. Also the case with sports science, where a BSc is necessary for most jobs.

The latter brings me to another point - competition in the sporting industry is precisely why sports schools like SEDA, which seem to be gaining in popularity nowadays, are essentially useless with regards to gaining decent qualifications. For most, they simply don't provide many pathways to uni/further study and are sufficient only in landing lower-end jobs. Some may disagree, but from my experience with such students it's essentially a dead end.
 
I studied Law and over the years have ripped off, betrayed and taken advantage of hundreds if not thousands of people. I'm rich.
 

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Just transferred from a Behavioural Studies (Psych) degree I was doing through OUA to a Social Science (Psych) degree at Swinburne, half way though and they gave me course credits for all my completed units.

Glad I actually looked into it, whilst the OUA course was ok it had only temporary approval from the Aus Psychology Assoc. whilst the Swinburne one is fully approved and to me seems more recognisable.

With the online stuff I think you have to be really careful with what you undertake, (as I did) I just rang them up and went through what I kind of wanted to get out of the course and rolled with it. If you can get a better recognised course, wholly through a single University it will look more impressive to employers.

For humanities qualifications, depending on what you want to do, TAFE courses are just as favourably looked upon. Well that's what I've been told.
 
Psych degrees are the new Arts degrees. Not many jobs. These people would be lucky to get a $70k per year dead end job doing appointments with people rorting Work Cover.
 
Same with marketing degrees. Lots of hot females who will spend their corporate lives thinking they are mega important and mega skillzd, but in reality are doing simple processes that no one gives a fat f***ola about.
 
John Dawh said:
Same with marketing degrees. Lots of hot females who will spend their corporate lives thinking they are mega important and mega skillzd, but in reality are doing simple processes that no one gives a fat f***ola about.
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Okay hotshot lawyer flog. Go back to bathing in your monopoly money you arrogant douche.


I don't think any degreee is useless, it is up to the individual's work ethic to see what they can make of it.
 
craffles said:
Okay hotshot lawyer flog. Go back to bathing in your monopoly money you arrogant douche.


I don't think any degreee is useless, it is up to the individual's work ethic to see what they can make of it.
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Do you want a hug bro?
 
craffles said:
Nah, keep stacking those shelves at woolies floggo
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Stacking shelves is a step up from working in a corporate marketing department. Has it dawned on you yet that every one else sfellows and calls you the "colouring-in department"?
 
John Dawh said:
Stacking shelves is a step up from working in a corporate marketing department. Has it dawned on you yet that every one else sfellows and calls you the "colouring-in department"?
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I don't work in marketing, nor did I do a marketing degree. Same as you with law, btw what aisle are the tinned tomatoes in flog?
 

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craffles said:
I don't think any degreee is useless, it is up to the individual's work ethic to see what they can make of it.
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It's a case of demand way outstripping supply. We all know that some people who do psych degrees end up being very successful just as some people who do marketing degrees join a bona fide marketing/advertising agency, and just as some people who do sports science end up being head of fitness at an AFL club.

But the reality for most:

At best a job doing something meaningless such as working in a marketing department of a corporate doing the same marketing campaigns over and over again. The sort of stuff anyone without a degree can do. Put an EDM together and send out to client list. Or do some ridiculous fluffy stuff that everyone just rolls their eyes at because they know it makes next to no difference.

And in the case of psych and sports science degrees, many don't have jobs in their field because there's not enough jobs to go around.

The amount of people with marketing degrees I've met who don't actually know anything practical is amazing. It's a generic and non-specific non specific degree. The new Arts degree.
 
John Dawh said:
It's a case of demand way outstripping supply. We all know that some people who do psych degrees end up being very successful just as some people who do marketing degrees join a bona fide marketing/advertising agency, and just as some people who do sports science end up being head of fitness at an AFL club.

But the reality for most:

At best a job doing something meaningless such as working in a marketing department of a corporate doing the same marketing campaigns over and over again. The sort of stuff anyone without a degree can do. Put an EDM together and send out to client list. Or do some ridiculous fluffy stuff that everyone just rolls their eyes at because they know it makes next to no difference.

And in the case of psych and sports science degrees, many don't have jobs in their field because there's not enough jobs to go around.

The amount of people with marketing degrees I've met who don't actually know anything practical is amazing. It's a generic and non-specific non specific degree. The new Arts degree.
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Agree with the supply and demand component of your argument, but the most dedicated of scholars across any academic field can make a successful career out of any degree.

You sound like you work in sales btw, most of the sales force at my business say the sane things about marketing
 
craffles said:
Agree with the supply and demand component of your argument, but the most dedicated of scholars across any academic field can make a successful career out of any degree.

You sound like you work in sales btw, most of the sales force at my business say the sane things about marketing
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No one is arguing the top people don't make it. But for most there's not a lot of options.

In my experience all departments sneer at marketing. Technical people more so than sales people. And I do appreciate the finer point of marketing but in most corporations I've worked in, marketing is just simplistic and repetitive processes and the people in marketing departments tend to vastly over rate their contribution and skill level.

I don't work in sales.
 
John Dawh said:
No one is arguing the top people don't make it. But for most there's not a lot of options.

In my experience all departments sneer at marketing. Technical people more so than sales people. And I do appreciate the finer point of marketing but in most corporations I've worked in, marketing is just simplistic and repetitive processes and the people in marketing departments tend to vastly over rate their contribution and skill level.

I don't work in sales.
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Fair enough, can't change your experiences I guess. Our marketing department tends to work quite closely with a number of functions and are pretty good at what they do so maybe my experience is different.

One thing I have noticed is they are all ******* brand whores who eat wanky superfoods
 
One year to go in a PE teaching course, have my heart set on getting into a physiotherapy after I finish my teaching one. Best case scenario it's a 2 year course, worst its a 4 maybe even 5 year one. Just wanted to hear if people thought it was worth it? also any extra advice would be great
 
Max zero said:
No one is questioning the value of science degrees so no point discussing them.
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There is still some point in discussing them if people think they always equal job opportunities. Obviously what you learn in science is useful to know, but some science degrees don't give you many employment options in Australia. Australia can actually be pretty backwards in terms of science job opportunities outside universities. We're not the US who has a tonne of big private companies and NASA. We're basically a country that focusses on digging up stuff in mines, farming, building things and having local distribution branches for overseas tech and science companies.
 
Mningasimisonda said:
There is still some point in discussing them if people think they always equal job opportunities. Obviously what you learn in science is useful to know, but some science degrees don't give you many employment options in Australia. Australia can actually be pretty backwards in terms of science job opportunities outside universities. We're not the US who has a tonne of big private companies and NASA. We're basically a country that focusses on digging up stuff in mines, farming, building things and having local distribution branches for overseas tech and science companies.
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Science degrees are pretty versatile, you aren't just restricted to research labs. Science background is very useful if you want to work in management of biotech companies, you can become a science teacher, a lawyer specialising in biotechnology and/or patents, work in regulatory governing bodies such as OGTR and TGA etc.. Having a science background complements a lot of other job opportunities.
 
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jinny1 said:
Science degrees are pretty versatile, you aren't just restricted to research labs. Science background is very useful if you want to work in management of biotech companies, you can become a science teacher, a lawyer specialising in biotechnology and/or patents, work in regulatory governing bodies such as OGTR and TGA etc.. Having a science background complements a lot of other job opportunities.
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They are. I was just putting it out there that there aren't that many opportunities actually in science.

Some sciences have more opportunities than others too.
 
Mningasimisonda said:
They are. I was just putting it out there that there aren't that many opportunities actually in science.

Some sciences have more opportunities than others too.
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But there are sooo many!! I don't think you understand how incredibly broad Science actually is depending on your specialisation. You can work in the food industry, large pharma companies, agriculture, car/automation/robotics, engineering sector, geology/mining, bioengineering, animal health science, biotechnology, marine biology and the list goes on and on.

Holy s**t it's actually mind-numbing how many different fields you can actually specialise in science. It's easily the most diverse course out there.

So i think it's unfair to generalise that there aren't many opportunities in Science. You can get a job in so many different fields and areas.

And yes of course some scientific fields will have greater demands than others...Which is same for every other profession in the world...
 
jinny1 said:
But there are sooo many!! I don't think you understand how incredibly broad Science actually is depending on your specialisation. You can work in the food industry, large pharma companies, agriculture, car/automation/robotics, engineering sector, geology/mining, bioengineering, animal health science, biotechnology, marine biology and the list goes on and on.

Holy s**t it's actually mind-numbing how many different fields you can actually specialise in science. It's easily the most diverse course out there.

So i think it's unfair to generalise that there aren't many opportunities in Science. You can get a job in so many different fields and areas.
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food industry - Chemistry/biology
Large pharma companies - same
agriculture - same
Car/automation/robotics - engineering
engineering sector - engineering
geology/mining - geology
bioengineering - chemistry/biology (engineering)
animal health science - biology
biotechnology - biology (engineering)
marine biology - biology

So what you're saying is get a degree in something biology related, move interstate to do geology or do engineering...
 
Errr what are you trying to say?? Lol please... Do you actually have any Scientific background??

I mean the level of generalisation and simplification of the scientific field you are doing makes me think you are an outsider looking in.
 
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