Macrae. Without a doubt.
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Macrae. Without a doubt.
Macrae will be a much better player than Ward. It's easy to take his form for granted because he's been so good from debut, but he's 20 and already matching it with the best.
At this point in time, Ward is obviously more valuable given his experience and size, but I wouldn't swap Macrae for him.
As it stands, we've gained a midfielder who projects as elite in the near future, so we've done well out of the compo and we can move on. I'd probably feel differently if we'd blown it.
I agree, hence the almost-disclaimer to follow.Don't think you can compare these two. I think Macrae is more of an accumulator whereas Ward is more influential at the contest.
I think that Ward, current gun is better than waiting years for future gun, even if Macrae is better. We got hosed in that compo.Putting bias aside I think Ward is better. But Macrae is only 20.. he's performed crazy good so far.
That's how I feel about Sherman ... and I did even at the time we gave Brisbane our compo pick for him. Brisbane probably found it hard to keep a poker face in those negotiations....
As it stands, we've gained a midfielder who projects as elite in the near future, so we've done well out of the compo and we can move on. I'd probably feel differently if we'd blown it.
I was pretty happy with it too. Now every time I hear the name Sherman, it's like being kicked in the groin.That's how I feel about Sherman ... and I did even at the time we gave Brisbane our compo pick for him. Brisbane probably found it hard to keep a poker face in those negotiations.
Perhaps I wasn't clear... you said "I would probably feel differently if we blown it". That's how I felt at the time - that we'd blown it.I was pretty happy with it too. Now every time I hear the name Sherman, it's like being kicked in the groin.
Oh, I see. I read it as you feeling the same way about Sherman (at the time) as I do about the result of the Ward compo.Perhaps I wasn't clear... you said "I would probably feel differently if we blown it". That's how I felt at the time - that we'd blown it.
And we had.
I was not a happy bulldog.
I was hopeful - he had cut us up a couple of times when we played Brisbane - ... until he opened his mouth. I had a sense of impending doom .Perhaps I wasn't clear... you said "I would probably feel differently if we blown it". That's how I felt at the time - that we'd blown it.
And we had.
I was not a happy bulldog.
Honestly and objectively how is Ward better? I'm really struggling to see it. He's slightly better in the contests and that's about it. Jack pretty much beats or shadows him in all other areas.Putting bias aside I think Ward is better. But Macrae is only 20.. he's performed crazy good so far.
Could have gone McCrae Stringer WinesOh, I see. I read it as you feeling the same way about Sherman (at the time) as I do about the result of the Ward compo.
I was happy with that trade at the time, I thought we could do with his pace. I hadn't really given much thought to the consequences of giving up a first round pick for him. If only I knew.
As for that compensation pick, how long could we hold onto it before having to activate it? I shudder to think.
If we'd received the same compensation for Ward that Melbourne did for Scully, our other pick in that draft would've been mid first-round, so we'd have had access to guys like Grundy, Kennedy and Broomhead before our next selection (Hrovat at 21). Or we could've rolled the dice on Spencer White.Could have gone McCrae Stringer Wines
Ward's a bloody good player. Great in the contest, good kick, mark, can kick it a mile, leader, hard as nails, spreads. I expect Macrae to be better, but at this point I think Ward's better.Honestly and objectively how is Ward better? I'm really struggling to see it. He's slightly better in the contests and that's about it. Jack pretty much beats or shadows him in all other areas.
We were seriously hosed on that compo. That extra pick is worth a fortune.If we'd received the same compensation for Ward that Melbourne did for Scully, our other pick in that draft would've been mid first-round, so we'd have had access to guys like Grundy, Kennedy and Broomhead before our next selection (Hrovat at 21). Or we could've rolled the dice on Spencer White.
Although, Ward was worth far more than Scully at that point, so we wouldn't have been out of line in asking for another pick in that range, insane as it seems in hindsight. Stringer, Macrae AND Wines... mouth-watering. That was such a good draft. Well, for some.
No point lamenting it now though, I suppose. I'm very happy with Macrae, and since then it seems we've made the most of our picks, Fuller aside.
That's a bit unfair. Professor, while at times does get a bit too passionate as held his line on the rebuilding strategy for a long time. I don't agree with everything he says but he certainly adds to this forum a lot more than other people that add nothing to the discussion except personal insults.
*You won't find many, if any supporters who think we don't have a good crop of talented youngsters either. We've got picks 5,6,4,1,21 from the past couple of drafts in our team and we've used them very well.
Fair enough. I don't agree but I can see where you are coming from.Ward's a bloody good player. Great in the contest, good kick, mark, can kick it a mile, leader, hard as nails, spreads. I expect Macrae to be better, but at this point I think Ward's better.
When you have 43 disposals you'll probably have a few nothing disposals and turn overs, even Ablett does. The two goals in the last quarter when the game was on the line says a fair bit, and although brownlow votes are hit and miss it would have been a travesty if he didn't get the 3 in that game. One of the best games by someone that young I have ever seen.Alot of nothing disposals and turn overs in this highlights reel to be honest. Still rate him highly though
When you have 43 disposals you'll probably have a few nothing disposals and turn overs, even Ablett does. The two goals in the last quarter when the game was on the line says a fair bit, and although brownlow votes are hit and miss it would have been a travesty if he didn't get the 3 in that game. One of the best games by someone that young I have ever seen.
Griffen will hurt short term, but losing a 21 year old future captain hurts more, and losing Harbrow hurts a hell of a lot more than Highins Jones Tutt combined. I'd even throw post 2008 Cooney in as well .That being said many would argue Griffen Cooney and Higgins and to a lesser extent the other two all walking out will have greater impact.
And you know what that ones no one elses fault bar our own clubs fault. So whether its the AFL or other reasons - we have done a good enough job at stuffing up without anyone elses help.
Like the Professor says - Time for wallowing especially on the introduction of the new clubs has well past time.
The only issue I have is that Ward was playing in a stronger side at a comparable age and had a significant groin injury, but I think Macrae just pips him performance wiseMacrae. Without a doubt.