Competitions St Kilda All Time Draft

[Defacto]

Who's pick now?

 

[Barrels]

Who's pick now?

Some peanut

 

[TN25]

Who's pick now?

A guy called Defacto.

Anyone seen him?

 

[Kilroy]

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Pick 174 - Uncle Barrels' Barbarians: Bob FLEGG, Ormond (VAFA)/Sandringham (178cm 77kg): goalkicking machine

St Kilda Career: 18 games (47 goals)

Flegg was clearly a superb forward, who was tragically taken well before his time, and takes his rightful spot in the forward pocket, with Mynott moving to the bench.

An undeniable talent, in 1937 - at only 18 years old - Flegg kicked a mighty 130 goals from full forward for the fledgling Ormond Football Club in the VAFA, before transferring to Sandringham (then of the VFA) for seven games in 1940/41 where he kicked an incredible 26 goals.

Poached by the Saints for the 1941 season, the now 22 year old Flegg dutifully topped the goalkicking with 47 goals after the sudden retirement of legendary spearhead Bill Mohr, including kicking 7.6 in a two-point loss - in only his second game - against Geelong in round 2, in the first game at Kardinia Park. He kicked further bags of 5, 6 and 7 against Essendon, eventual premiers Melbourne and Carlton in the next three rounds, and a further bag of 5 - again against Geelong - in round 15. In a team that won only 3 of 18 games for the season, Flegg was clearly a standout.

Sadly, the war called and Flegg signed on with the RAAF. He was attached to the 70 Squadron RAF and served on transport and bombing missions in North Africa and over Europe. On 7 July 1944, the Vickers Wellington X bomber MF138 piloted by the now-WO Flegg was shot down over Feuersbrunn, Austria with the loss of all on board; he was not yet 26.

He is buried with his crew in Klagenfurt War Cemetery, Klagenfurt, Austria.

Though I can't specifically identify Flegg from the above photo of the 70th - it's the not the bloke marked 'me' - it's tempting to assume the lad in the second row with the Aussie-style slouch hat may be our fella.

A clear talent, taken way too young.

*with the greatest of thanks to Alan Storr, and the good people at 70squadron.roselake.co.uk, footystats.freeservers.com and afltables.com.

I see what you meant about going out with a "bang".
Deadly research, daddio.

 

[Defacto]

alright this is going to be controversial and people will probably get shitty but i wanted to add some spice to it. if the pick isnt allowed i'll select someone else

 

[Defacto]

with my last pick i am going to take arguably australias greatest cricketer. we havent had much luck in the flag stakes but atleast my team will have someone who can carve up the poms

my last pick is Shane Warne

 

[TN25]

with my last pick i am going to take arguably australias greatest cricketer. we havent had much luck in the flag stakes but atleast my team will have someone who can carve up the poms

my last pick is Shane Warne

Sorry not allowed. He never played senior footy for St Kilda

 

[Barrels]

Inspired by Felsty's brilliant and concise summation... Here they are:

UNCLE BARRELS' BARBARIANS

FB: Jack DAVIS / Zac DAWSON / Rodger HEAD
189cm 84kg / 197cm 94kg / 175cm 76kg
three time B&F winner / tall dour & awkward / committed small

HB: Jim GUYATT / Matt MAGUIRE / Eric GUY (vc)
179cm 80kg / 192cm 100kg / 183cm 91kg
lightning small / strong-marking tall / courageous & tough

CR: Neil BESANKO / Ian STEWART / Brendon GODDARD
187cm 88kg / 180cm 81kg / 190cm 94kg
pacy & big bodied / sublimely skilled / superb-kicking utility

HF: Aaron HAMILL (c) / Barry HALL / Ian COOPER
184cm 94kg / 194cm 104kg / 189cm 76kg
intimidating & inspirational / big tough target / high-flying star

FF: Bob FLEGG / Bill STEPHENSON / Harry MOYES
178cm 77kg / 191cm 95kg / 170cm 66kg
goalkicking machine / gun full forward / very talented small

RK: Lazar VIDOVIC / Vic BARWICK / Colin WATSON (vc)
200cm 102kg / 177cm 81kg / 180cm 82.5kg
lionhearted ruck madman / burly rover / Brownlow-winning small

IC: Brian MYNOTT / Barry PASCOE / Jack McDONALD / Harold COMTE
193cm 92kg / 182cm 86kg / 180cm 77kg / 178cm 72kg
premiership ruckman / brilliant ruck rover / long-kicking forward / strong small utility

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GRAND FINALS:
8 players out of my 22 have played in a Grand Final, the list includes;

Harry Moyes: (1926)
Ian Cooper: (1966)
Rodger Head: (1966)
Brian Mynott: (1966)
Neil Besanko: (1971)
Barry Hall: (1997, 2005)
Brendon Goddard: (2009, 2010, 2010 replay)
Zac Dawson: (2009, 2010, 2010 replay)

There are five premiership players, Ian Cooper (who would have won the Norm Smith medal had it existed), Rodger Head and Brian Mynott for the Saints, and Moyes with Melbourne and Hall with Sydney.

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CAPTAINS:
Of the 22 players, four of them have officially captained the St Kilda Football Club for a total of 5 seasons, though at least in Hamill's case, it almost certainly should have been more.

They are;

Vic Barwick: 2 seasons of captaincy.
Colin Watson: 1 season of captaincy.
Ian Stewart: 1 season of captaincy.
Aaron Hamill: 1 season of captaincy.
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BROWNLOWS:
There are two Brownlow Medallists, both in the midfield.

Ian Stewart: 2 Brownlows (1965, 1966)
Colin Watson: 1 Brownlow (1925)

There are also plenty of other high finishers, but some of the records back-when are a bit scanty.

And Jack Davis came 3rd in 1933 and won the VFA Recorder Medal in 1940.
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BEST AND FAIREST AWARDS:
Four Best and Fairest winners play for the side, with 7 between them.

Colin Watson: 1924.
Harold Comte: 1933
Jack Davis: 1934, 1935 and 1937.
Ian Stewart: 1964 and 1966.
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ALL AUSTRALIAN SELECTIONS:
All Australian teams have only been put together on a consistent yearly basis since 1991. Before then they were selected as All Australians most often every few years in the ‘State of Origin’ or ‘Carnival’ era. Nevertheless, the idea started in 1947, so Colin Watson (a Brownlow medalist), Jack Davis (a three-time Best and Fairest) and some mighty fine others are too 'old' for the award, and a couple - Hamill and Maguire chiefly - were absolutely robbed at times.

Ian Stewart: 1966.
Barry Hall: 2004, 2005, 2006, 2010.
Brendon Goddard: 2009, 2010.

Two Saints players total (out of 15 possible) with All Australian selections between them, not counting Hall's at Sydney.
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STATE REPRESENTATIVES:
*in terms of separate seasons representing them, not separate games. 1 time = 1 season he got selected for that team.

Jack Davis: 10 time Victoria Representative.
Colin Watson: 8 time Victoria Representative
Ian Stewart: 4 time Victoria Representative.
Eric Guy: 3 time Victoria Representative.
Vic Barwick: 1 time Victoria Representative.
Harold Comte: 1 time Victoria Representative.
Ian Cooper: 1 time Victoria Representative (picked but didn't play due to illness).

7 players from the Barbarians are all that my research could confirm, with 28 seasons of representative football between them. Hamill, Hall and others miss due to AFL players being excluded from 1999 onwards, although Goddard missing from the 2008 Hall of Fame Tribute match was absolutely criminal.
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LEADING GOALKICKERS AT ST KILDA:

6 players have been our club leading goal kicker at some point, with 12 seasons total between them.

Harry Moyes: 1915, 1921, 1922, 1923.
Jack McDonald: 1949, 1952, 1955.
Barry Hall: 1999, 2000.
Vic Barwick: 1909.
Bob Flegg: 1941.
Bill Stephenson: 1961.
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ST KILDA TEAM OF THE CENTURY:
Only one player from the Barbarians makes it into St Kilda's team of the century;

Ian Stewart: centreman
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ST KILDA HALL OF FAME:
Only four players from the Barbarians have been inducted into the Saints' hall of fame. They are;

Ian Stewart (Legend status)
Jack Davis
Brian Mynott
Colin Watson

Though others, such as Cooper, are likely to follow in due course.
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TOTAL PLAYER STATS:

Total St Kilda Games experience: 2260 total games of experience.
Average Games played per player: average of 102.72 games per player.

Total goals kicked for St Kilda: 1238 goals.
Average goals per player: 56 goals.

Average player height: 184.9 cm.
Average player weight: 86 kg.

Average defender height: 185.83 cm.
Average defender weight: 87.5 kg.

Average midfielder height: 185.6 cm.
Average midfielder weight: 88.08 kg.

Average forward height: 184.33 cm.
Average forward weight: 85.33 kg.
Average interchange height: 183.23 cm.
Average interchange weight: 81.75 kg.

Total goals kicked by forwards: 614 goals
(includes starting 6 forwards)
Average career goals per forward: 102.33 goals.


'The Average Barbarian' - IS - David Armitage
Height: 184.9cm - Height: 183cm
Weight: 86kg - Weight: 87kg
Games: 102 - Games: 107
Goals: 56 - Goals: 67

Left-footed too... ​

 

[Barrels]

I see what you meant about going out with a "bang".
Deadly research, daddio.

Didn't quite mean it that way...

 

[goodie23]

Can I take my final pick or are we waiting for Defacto to redraft?

 

[felsty]

Think I might add on my averages etc. as you have Barrels! will be interesting to see!

 

[TN25]

Can I take my final pick or are we waiting for Defacto to redraft?

Waiting for Defacto to redraft

 

[Kilroy]

Didn't quite mean it that way...

A powerful story, nonetheless.
Never heard of Warrant Officer Flegg before and somehow doubt I would have without your forensic attention to the early years.
Sounds like a cracker of a player, and a tragedy he died so young.
Do appreciate your attempts to put the sport into the bigger picture.
Character is so important these days to our club. I'm sure the current players would be inspired by the story of Bob Flegg.

 

[Defacto]

You guys are no fun. I'll take craig Callahan

 

[Barrels]

A powerful story, nonetheless.
Never heard of Warrant Officer Flegg before and somehow doubt I would have without your forensic attention to the early years.
Sounds like a cracker of a player, and a tragedy he died so young.
Do appreciate your attempts to put the sport into the bigger picture.
Character is so important these days to our club. I'm sure the current players would be inspired by the story of Bob Flegg.

Lets say Ormond played 18 games in 1937, from the 43 games we know about that Flegg played, he managed to kick a whopping 203 goals. That's 4.72 per game!

To put it into some perspective, Tony Lockett's lifetime average was 4.84 goals per game.... John bloody Coleman's was only a half a goal per game better at 5.48 per game!

A fair number of those goals only came at local level, granted, but I reckon if he'd not gone to war, or at least not met his Maker there, we'd be talking about an all-time great of the club IMO.

 

[felsty]

Just an updated version of my team with the Barrels treatment!
Here it is, Felsty's Fighters FC!

FB: Harold Matthews / Keith Drinan (VC) / Col Williamson
179cm, 83kg / 182cm, 83kg / 185cm, 85kg
two time b'n'f winner / ferocious ex-captain / uncomprimising tall

HB: Justin Peckett / Gary Colling / Jim O'Dea
182cm, 87kg / 188cm, 87kg / 185cm, 91 kg
timeless warrior / relentless & reliable / Collingwood basher

C: Geoff Cunningham / Lenny Hayes (C) / Stuart Trott
183cm, 83kg / 186cm, 87kg / 177cm, 76kg
intimidating wingman / tough, inspiring leader / skillful wingman

HF: John Shelton / Brian Gleeson / Travis Payze
178cm, 83kg / 188cm, 82kg / 185cm, 89kg
goal & opponent kicker / Brownlow winning CHF / possie accumulator

FF: Justin Koschitzke / Mark Scott / Jack James
197cm, 97kg / 196cm, 80kg / 165cm, 61kg
contested marking monster / tall sharp shooter / diminutive & highly skilled

R: Peter Everitt / Nick Dal Santo / Reg Garvin
203cm, 108kg / 185cm, 85kg / 182cm, 87kg
mobile, hitout machine / genuine silk & class / determined & tough

IC: Ken Walker / Gordon Dangerfield / Ernie Sellars / Phil Narkle
183cm, 83kg / 182cm, 83kg / 170cm, 66kg / 178cm, 72kg
consecutive b'n'f's / reliable defender / diminutive FF / skillful with x factor

GAMES PLAYED: 3344 games (avg. 152)
GOALS KICKED: 1371 goals (avg. 62.32)

PREMIERSHIP PLAYERS: 1
BROWNLOW MEDALS (with the club): 1
BEST & FAIRESTS: 14
CLUB CAPTAINS: 8
NORM SMITH MEDALISTS: 1
STATE REPRESENTATIVES: ?
LEADING GOALKICKER AWARDS: 12

'The Average Fighter' - IS - Luke Ball
Height: 183.6cm - Height: 184cm
Weight: 83.5kg - Weight: 83kg
Games: 152 - Games: 142
Goals: 62 - Goals: 58

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[Barrels]

Nicely done felsty

Had a dip at how I think they would line up if opposed....

UNCLE BARRELS' BARBARIANS -v- FELSTY'S FIGHTERS

FB: Matt MAGUIRE / Zac DAWSON / Rodger HEAD
FF: Justin KOSCHITZKE / Mark SCOTT / Jack JAMES

HB: Harold COMTE / Jack DAVIS / Neil BESANKO
HF: John SHELTON / Brian GLEESON / Travis PAYZE

CR: Jim GUYATT / Ian STEWART / Brendon GODDARD
CR: Stuart TROTT / Lenny HAYES (c) / Geoff CUNNINGHAM

HF: Aaron HAMILL (c) / Barry HALL / Ian COOPER
HF: Jim O'DEA / Gary COLLING / Justin PECKETT

FF: Bob FLEGG / Bill STEPHENSON / Harry MOYES
FB: Keith DRINAN (vc) / Col WILLIAMSON / Harold MATTHEWS

RK: Lazar VIDOVIC / Barry PASCOE / Colin WATSON (vc)
RK: Peter EVERITT / Nick DAL SANTO / Reg GARVIN

IC: Brian MYNOTT / Eric GUY (vc) / Jack McDONALD / Vic BARWICK
IC: Ken WALKER / Gordon DANGERFIELD / Ernie SELLARS / Phil NARKLE​

Both backlines give up a bit of height, but the midfield battle would be where it would be won, and it would be an absolute humdinger....

As far as positional changes go:
- Guy doesn't have the pace for Payze, so Besanko goes to him.
- Guyatt moves to Trott to match him for pace.
- Comte goes to his occasional half back spot on the diminutive Shelton.
- Maguire to Koschitzke for height, so Davis moves to CHB on the similarly-sized Gleeson.
- Drinan is too small for Stephenson, so Williamson steps up to full back.
- Drinan, an undersized full back, then plays on Flegg, an undersized full forward.
- Pascoe shades the smaller Barwick to go head-to-head with Dal Santo.

Geez wouldnt there be some absolute ding-gong battles all over the ground too, and mostly I mean that literally. Imagine;

Hamill v O'Dea
Hall v Colling
Goddard v Cunningham
Vidovic v Everitt

Comte and Shelton may well throw a few at each other... even Stewart v Hayes might get a little willing...

Hate your average man though...

 

[12Chill]

So I've been working on my team post... do I need a fancy team logo to compete with UB and felsty. Gosh darnit!!! :d

 

[felsty]

Nicely done felsty

Hate your average man though...

Ill still love him! A little less though

 

[Kilroy]

Lets say Ormond played 18 games in 1937, from the 43 games we know about that Flegg played, he managed to kick a whopping 203 goals. That's 4.72 per game!

To put it into some perspective, Tony Lockett's lifetime average was 4.84 goals per game.... John bloody Coleman's was only a half a goal per game better at 5.48 per game!

A fair number of those goals only came at local level, granted, but I reckon if he'd not gone to war, or at least not met his Maker there, we'd be talking about an all-time great of the club.

Fitting that he wore the number 12, then.
Bob Flegg and Harold Comte are on the list of those who played for a VFL/VFA team who paid the ultimate sacrifice.

We can just imagine them kicking a ball around or chatting with Ron Barassi Snr, Bluey Truscott and co, or the other StKilda players on the list - Hudson, Shields and King - about their beloved game.

 

[Barrels]

Ill still love him! A little less though

Edited the post... Have a gander...

 

[felsty]

Hammill v O'Dea would be absolutely freaking epic! Game within a game right there! All the battles you mentioned would be indescribable.. jeez this has been a cracker of an experience. Thanks TN25!

 

[Barrels]

Yep. Hats off TN25.

I've had a ball.

 

[TN25]

Thanks felsty and DB. Everyone have been great (except saintkildaman )

 

[12Chill]

12Chill’s Chargers (12Chill)

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TEAM OUTLINE:

B: Jeff Dunne / William Cubbins (c) / Sean Dempster
176cm – 76kg / 180cm – 80kg / 191cm – 90kg
hard running back pocket / incredible leader and full back / intercepting and rebounding 3rd tall

HB: David Grant / Val Perovic / Robert Elphinstone
184cm – 84kg / 192cm – 88kg / 191cm – 89kg
top notch and skilful utility / tough big defender / respected tall defender

C: Leigh Montagna / Andrew Thompson / Frank Coghlan
178cm – 78kg / 180cm – 81kg / 183cm – 84kg
hard running wingman / fierce and consistent midfielder / good midfielder

HF: Allan Davis / Rodney Galt / Bruce Duperouzel
180cm – 78kg / 194cm – 92kg / 174cm – 75kg
mercurial and talented forward / clean marking forward/ruck / dynamic and talented rover

FF: John McIntosh / Fraser Gehrig / George Morrissey
191cm – 96kg / 195cm – 109kg / 174cm – 82kg
talented tall utility / competitive full forward beast / tough, nuggetty and relentless small forward

R: Jeff Sarau / Robert Harvey (dvc) / Ross Smith (vc)
191cm – 96kg / 181cm – 86kg / 173cm – 71kg
aggressive ruckman / gut running champion midfielder / champion midfield gun

I/C: Vic Cumberland / Billy Schmidt / Barney Carr / Harold Davies
182cm – 86kg / 170cm – 70kg / 175cm – 75kg / 179cm – 75kg
champion ruckman / advanced centerman / classy midfielder / silky and accurate half back

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GRAND FINALS:

Despite playing in just 8 grand finals in our history, 10 players out of my 22 have played in a Grand Final, the list includes;

Sean Dempster: (2009, 2010, 2010 Replay)
Leigh Montagna: (2009, 2010, 2010 Replay)
Robert Harvey: (1997)
Ross G. Smith: (1965, 1966, 1971)
Andrew Thompson: (1997)
Allan Davis: (1966, 1971)
Rod Galt: (1971)
George Morrissey: (1913)
Vic Cumberland: (1913)
Billy Schmidt: (1913)

So there are two premiership players, Allan Davis and Ross Smith. The three who played in the 1913 Grand Final were all named in the best, too.

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CAPTAINS:

Of the 22 players, 5 of them have officially captained the St Kilda Football Club for a total of 14 seasons.

They are;

Bill Cubbins: 6 seasons of captaincy.
Ross Smith: 3 seasons of captaincy.
Robert Harvey: 2 seasons of captaincy.
Bruce Duperouzel: 2 seasons of captaincy.
George Morrissey: 1 seasons of captaincy.

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BROWNLOWS:

There are two Brownlow Medallists, both in the midfield.

Robert Harvey: 2 Brownlows (1997 and 1998)
Ross G. Smith: 1 Brownlow (1967)

There are also around 16 top 10 Brownlow finishes within the team.

And despite it not being a Brownlow, Vic Cumberland did take out a Magarey Medal in the SANFL.

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BEST AND FAIREST AWARDS:

Seven Best and Fairest winners reside in the 22, with 16 between them.

Jeff Dunne: 1979 and 1980.
Bill Cubbins: 1921, 1923, 1928 and 1929.
Andrew Thompson: 2000.
Barney Carr: 1922.
Jeff Sarau: 1975 and 1977.
Robert Harvey: 1992, 1994, 1997 and 1998.
Ross G. Smith: 1967 and 1971

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ALL AUSTRALIAN SELECTIONS:

All Australian teams have only been put together on a consistent yearly basis since 1991. Before then they were selected as All Australians most often every few years in the ‘State of Origin’ or ‘Carnival’ era. Nevertheless, the idea started in 1947, players such as Bill Cubbins, George Morrissey, Vic Cumberland, Billy Schmidt and Barney Carr played previous to the idea, so that leaves 17 players who have played in All Australian or State of Origin times. Those who have been selected are;

Sean Dempster: 2012.
David Grant: 1991.
Leigh Montagna: 2009 and 2010.
Bruce Duperouzel: 1980.
John McIntosh: 1966 and 1969.
Fraser Gehrig: 1997 (WCE) and 2004.
Robert Harvey: 1992, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 and 2003.

Seven players total (out of 17 possible) with 16 All Australian selections between them, not counting Gehrig at WCE.

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STATE REPRESENTATIVES:

*in terms of separate seasons representing them, not separate games. 1 time = 1 season he got selected for that team.

Jeff Dunne: 1 time Victoria Representative.
Bill Cubbins: 6 time Victoria Representative.
Val Perovic: 1 time Victoria Representative.
Robert Elphinstone: 1 time Victoria Representative.
Allan Davis: 3 time Victorian Representative.
Bruce Duperouzel: 6 time Western Australia Representative.
John McIntosh: 6 time Western Australia Representative.
George Morrissey: 1 time Tasmania Representative.
Vic Cumberland: 3 (at least, all I could find) time South Australia Representative.
Billy Schmidt: 4 (?) time Victorian Representative.
Barney Carr: 3 time Victoria Representative.
Harold Davies: 1 time Victoria Representative.
Robert Harvey: 3 time Victoria Representative.
Ross Smith: 4 time Victoria Representative.
Jeff Sarau: 2 time Victoria Representative.

Huge 15 players represented their state at some point, with a total of 45 seasons of representingbetween them!

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LEADING GOALKICKERS AT ST KILDA:

3 players have been our club leading goal kicker at some point, with 8 seasons total between them.

Allan Davis: 1971 and 1973.
Bruce Duperouzel: 1974.
Fraser Gehrig: 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007.

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ST KILDA TEAM OF THE CENTURY:
Two players from the Chargers are named in St Kilda's team of the century, they are;

Robert Harvey: ruck rover
Ross G. Smith: rover
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ST KILDA HALL OF FAME:
Four players from the Chargers have been inducted into the Saints' hall of fame. They are;

Ross G. Smith (Legend status)
Robert Harvey
Jeff Sarau
Bill Cubbins
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TOTAL PLAYER STATS:

Total St Kilda Games experience: 3317 total games of experience.
Average Games played per player: average of 150.77 games per player.

Total goals kicked for St Kilda: 2275 goals.
Average goals per player (distributing the 2275 goals for 22 players): 103.4 goals.

Average player height: 183.45 cm.
Average player weight: 83.7 kg.

Average defender height: 185.66 cm.
Average defender weight: 84.5 kg.

Average midfielder height: 181 cm.
Average midfielder weight: 82.66 kg.

Average forward height: 184.66 cm.
Average forward weight: 88.66 kg.

Average interchange height: 176.5 cm.
Average interchange weight: 75.5 kg.

Total goals kicked by forwards: 1030 goals
(includes starting 6 forwards)
Average career goals per forward: 171.66 goals.

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THE ‘AVERAGE’ CHARGER – IS – GREG BURNS

Height: 183.45cm – Height: 183cm
Weight: 83.7kg – Weight: 83kg
Games: 150.77 – Games: 169
Goals: 103.4 – Goals: 114