The Next Big Thing - Jake Stringer

[Milanista28]

Should make a top 10, 20 or younger thread.

 

[Richo83]

Stringer reminds me of a slightly more talented Jack Darling, I think he'll have a similar career and play a similar role. They're both cocky forwards who have a mix of height, bulk and athleticism.

So he was. Still a bit tenuous to link it to Port Adelaide. Shame for Jake as he was touted a potential #1 pick at that stage, but great for the Bulldogs in the end.

When you look at it if Jake went higher than what we took him at pick 5 we'd likely have picked up Jimmy Toumpas..

Toumpas was a good pick, he was just an outside player playing in a poor team and poorly developed. I imagine he'll be one of the players who will flourish under Roos.

 

[Dogsman16]

Not sure really the point of this thread. Should really just be left on our board.

But to contribute I think its to highlight the plaudits/media attention that other young guns get (Bonts, Boyd, Macrae, Libba) in comparison to Stringer despite his ability.

I think at this stage the most talented young players out of any in the competition are Cameron and Wingard. Both made all australian in their second season and for that they stand alone. Both have freakish tricks and ability to kick miraculous goals. I'm confident that Bontempelli in the short term could be counted as their equal because of his size, running ability and marking strength and despite his size cleaness below his knees. If i had to bet on a second year player becoming an All Australian this year it would have to be Bonts.

Generally the best young players starting cracking all australian selection/squad selection in their 4th season. Heppell, Parker, B.Smith, Libba just to name all got into the squad last season. I think jake could shoot for around that mark in terms of sheer talent and development.

Fair to argue the most talented players from available evidence so far on our list are Stringer and Bontempelli. Libba, Dahlhaus and Macrae will no doubt be very good players but I don't believe they will become top 5 players for the majority of their careers like Ablett/Pendelbury/Franklin, because they don't have the trick bag that those stars do. But Stringer and Bonts certainly do have the capability and we have to wait and see where T.Boyd fits into the picture. Not a bad young 6 guns to have all under 23 years of age.

But for Stringer to already have become our number 1 forward at 19/20 years of age speaks volume. I still think even with the addition of Boyd he will remain our number 1 target inside 50 as he has the most complete trickset (apart from endurance) both in the air and at ground level. Same height as Pavlich so I think he should be in the KPF bracket albeit it a different one to the monster type that is prefered these days.

Stringer probably won't get to 50 goals this year but I think 40 - 45 is well within his reach.

 

[aussierulesrules]

I don't think he's as good a mark as many Bulldogs supporters make him out to be. His contested marking especially hasn't transitioned from juniors to seniors as yet. He's dropped a hell of a lot of marks that he should be eating for breakfast - the worst of which led me to sit in a corner and weep a little in round 23. You know the one I'm talking about. His marking on the lead is ok but he still tends to get himself out of position. I don't think he's as good a set shot as you make out either - his "little rough patch" lasted most of the season and needs to improve. Most of these things can be worked on but I'm just not totally sold on him getting to that elite level as a forward. As a midfielder though - absolutely: his burst is fantastic, he's incredibly difficult to tackle, he's damaging by foot and he's really good at winning the contested ball.

Overall, love him forward and think he'll be very good, but I'm just concerned he doesn't have enough to trouble the real top-line defenders on a consistent basis unless his marking improves significantly. He needs to be consistently troubling those guys to be classified as 'elite'. I'm not sure I see it - but of course, would be extremely happy to be wrong.

Agree with a lot of this. I'm seeing many talk him up as a "KPF" this offseason and someone listed all the others in the league who are proven in that role and not much taller than him, but I'm not sure I remember having seen him kick a goal from a strong overhead mark, so I don't really see him as being likely to end up like them.

Every time I see him kicking goals he seems to be breaking tackles, or running into goal, or snapping the goal, or whatever, which leads me to agree with those who say he is probably better suited to the midfield down the track, which is apparently where he was mainly playing prior to breaking his leg. Some are tall but play short and some are short but play tall and I think that while Jake is not really considered either tall or short by today's standards, he is more of the former than the latter.

We also need to remember that Patty Dangermouse also started his career up forward and looked like he could have a very very good career forward, yet now he plays almost exclusively in the midfield, which Stringer may end up doing down the track as well.

I was a huge wrap for him in his draft year, so I'm not surprised by anything he's done so far and I can also confirm the talk about his arrogance. I was told leading up to his draft that he came across as "borderline over-the-top arrogant" in his interviews with us and that he also was going around in interviews saying that he wanted to win the Brownlow by the age of 21 (despite the fact he was coming back from a very serious leg break)!

 

[Blues_Man]

I played against Brock in the under 18's, I never rated him that high...

He kicked on ..how did you go ?

 

[Adam H]

Prefer Membury.

 

[Tas]

Not sure really the point of this thread. Should really just be left on our board.

I think it is fair enough, teams that really are not expected to make the finals need to have things to look forward to or about or else the season and future seasons would be pretty depressing, supporters of all team rebuilding and start to get a look at some good young players like to think about potential.

A lot of posters get really shitty about it because most dreams end in tears, however, I think you need to have things you look forward to.

But to contribute I think its to highlight the plaudits/media attention that other young guns get (Bonts, Boyd, Macrae, Libba) in comparison to Stringer despite his ability.

I think Libba is light years ahead of the lot to be honest, because he has shown the ability to perform at a consistent basis in one of the toughest midfield roles. All the others have shown ability, however, they are still heavily reliant on 'potential' they still need a substantial improvement in terms of output or consistency to become very good players. Libba doesn't really need to take any quantum leaps forward.

I think at this stage the most talented young players out of any in the competition are Cameron and Wingard. Both made all australian in their second season and for that they stand alone. Both have freakish tricks and ability to kick miraculous goals. I'm confident that Bontempelli in the short term could be counted as their equal because of his size, running ability and marking strength and despite his size cleaness below his knees. If i had to bet on a second year player becoming an All Australian this year it would have to be Bonts.

It is hard to draw long-term conclusions based on short-term performances, some players burst on to the scene and the opposition might take a while to find flaws in their game, then does a lot more homework to shut them down or expose them going the other way and some players struggle with the attention. There are numerous exciting young kids that look like they could be anything but as the weight of expectation and the pressure from the opposition is applied to them they struggle under that weight of expectation. Others thrive under that pressure and it is those that are forged by pressure that go from coal into diamonds.

Sometimes the loss of confidence or injuries can really prevent a player becoming what they promised to be. I think to some extent supporters need to temper their expectations.

Generally the best young players starting cracking all australian selection/squad selection in their 4th season. Heppell, Parker, B.Smith, Libba just to name all got into the squad last season. I think jake could shoot for around that mark in terms of sheer talent and development.

All Australian spots can be fickle at times, some top 4 teams often fill out a lot of positions because the entire team is strong rather than the players being exceptional individually.

Fair to argue the most talented players from available evidence so far on our list are Stringer and Bontempelli. Libba, Dahlhaus and Macrae will no doubt be very good players but I don't believe they will become top 5 players for the majority of their careers like Ablett/Pendelbury/Franklin, because they don't have the trick bag that those stars do. But Stringer and Bonts certainly do have the capability and we have to wait and see where T.Boyd fits into the picture. Not a bad young 6 guns to have all under 23 years of age.

I also think it really helps your development coming into a strong team and I think it helped Libba that the dogs were a lot stronger when he was first recruited, as the whole side becomes younger and less mature it can be a lot harder for players to become more complete players at a young age when the bulk of their team mates are young and inexperienced. Pendlebury to Collingwood and Selwood to Geelong were also good examples of very good footballers who were exposed to an elite team from a very young age and having that high quality support around them.

I think it is why it has taken Gold Coast and will likely take GWS longer than they probably envisaged to come along, when Ablett is out of that GC midfield there is a chalk and cheese difference because it is very young and inexperienced without him, even if it is full of good quality youth. The quality is still there, it just lacks the consistency without the maturity.

But for Stringer to already have become our number 1 forward at 19/20 years of age speaks volume. I still think even with the addition of Boyd he will remain our number 1 target inside 50 as he has the most complete trickset (apart from endurance) both in the air and at ground level. Same height as Pavlich so I think he should be in the KPF bracket albeit it a different one to the monster type that is prefered these days.

He is definitely a good quality kid. However, I think as long as you have some worthwhile attributes you can be a decent forward, if you are focus of a significant number of inside 50s targeted at you and you have some good attributes then pretty much anyone will produce a certain volume of goals, even guys like our Ben Brown is able to kick a certain number of goals if we kick the ball to him enough times in a game, I wouldn't call him an elite player though. It is when you return an extraordinary return from limited opportunity is when you begin to stand out as a forward.

Stringer probably won't get to 50 goals this year but I think 40 - 45 is well within his reach.

The number isn't as critical as is how often the ball is kicked to him. If he kicks 40 goals when he is the recipient of 300 inside 50s then that isn't a great return. If he kicks 30 from 80 inside 50s then that is a great return.

 

[Dan87]

Would Stringer's leg break be comparable to Rohan's leg/ankle break?

 

[ManOfClay]

Would Stringer's leg break be comparable to Rohan's leg/ankle break?

At first yes, but then he rebroke it trying to come back too early.

 

[Ambrosia]

He could kick 40 or 50, but I doubt he'll be a superstar forward. I'd caution the dogs in to building a forward line even with him as the 2nd big forward. Thankfully now they have Boyd he wont be the main man, that would've ended in disaster.

He has smarts and strength, but not height or athleticism.

A little bigger, clever but not as freakish but a bit like Stevie J I think. The number of goals he kicks in the video above running in to an open (or close to) goal shows he's got really good smarts.

So for him to really be the level of freak player than the OP is suggesting then I think he'll have to be a regular midfielder. There are only a handful of players and not even every year that are truly top of top who are medium sized forward.

I think you're underrating his athleticism. He seems to get more explosive every time I see him.

 

[Dan87]

At first yes, but then he rebroke it trying to come back too early.

Did not know that. All the best to Stringer, looks like a gun indeed.

 

[Righteo]

Has self-confidence bordering on arrogance and the natural talent to back it up, going to be an awesome player to watch for many years.

 

[keithrichards]

Prefer Membury.

*Membrey

And at the same age, Stringer is miles ahead. Would swap without a second thought!

 

[I am Jack]

I'd put Ollie Wines up as the 'next big thing' and he's 6 months younger than Stringer.


#biased

That isn't biased. Ollie Wines is levels above any other young kid his age.
Wines is already elite, he is an absolute beast.

 

[TedDougChris]

That isn't biased. Ollie Wines is levels above any other young kid his age.
Wines is already elite, he is an absolute beast.

Agreed. Stringer has exceptional talent and may surpass Wines, but Ollie is miles ahead at this point in time. How good Stringer could have been if he hadn't been injured is a seperate question - but uninjured we probably wouldn't have been able to draft him anyway. He would have been gone by the time our selection came around...

 

[Rob]

Wasn't Stringer the guy that dropped the sitter in the last minute against GWS and cost them the game?

Hasn't really got clutch gene has he?

 

[Blackas87]

Probably could have saved this for the Bulldogs board, just going to attract bored trolls. And it's a bit of over the top dick measuring etc etc. Very happy with Jake and am going to love watching him over the next decade however, is a very watchable player when up and running.



Interesting little anecdote: I had a week-long work conference with Ollie's sister (he showed up one night, kid has cannons for legs) in town. She compared Ollie and Jake and didn't speak too highly of Stringer as a person. Seems while Ollie was always the gun junior but also great person Stringer was the same on the field but a much more arrogant version off it. Both had the same drive to succeed, although Ollie didn't quite have the setbacks.

"Week-long work conference"

You dirty dog

 

[aussierulesrules]

Agreed. Stringer has exceptional talent and may surpass Wines, but Ollie is miles ahead at this point in time. How good Stringer could have been if he hadn't been injured is a seperate question - but uninjured we probably wouldn't have been able to draft him anyway. He would have been gone by the time our selection came around...

Probably 12 months before!

 

[gangsta deluxe]

Wasn't Stringer the guy that dropped the sitter in the last minute against GWS and cost them the game?

Hasn't really got clutch gene has he?

To be fair, that got us a draft pick (that we traded lol), and we were absolutely toxic then. The whole team was flat. Watch the game and you'll see what I mean.

As for this thread, I cringed when I saw it. Some common sense wouldn't have gone astray. I have solid hopes for Stringer, but one needs to be realistic on the main board. Evidence of players with his history says we have at best a 200 game player who may be B+. Odds of him being above that are quite low.

However, if you were offered that with a player at his pick then you'd take it (given the low proportion of picks in the top ten that do even that well). That's all that really matters, and that's what is thread worthy. We've nailed 3 top ten picks in 2012-2103, done ok with other picks (I.e. Hrovat, hunter), and got Libba before that. Good drafting.

 

[Giant Pete]

You're right. He was our best player in the last quarter of the season.

 

[gangsta deluxe]

Well he did get you pick 6 instead of 7. But wait... You got 7 as well from Carlton.

So... No difference at all but a win against an imploding club? Yep I suppose that makes him your best player in your time as a club.

 

[ManOfClay]

Wasn't Stringer the guy that dropped the sitter in the last minute against GWS and cost them the game?

Hasn't really got clutch gene has he?

It's amazing how a lot of kids have no impact at his age and are excused but make a mistake and you are crucified.

Like daniher's dropped chest mark in the final vs north

 

[TedDougChris]

Wasn't Stringer the guy that dropped the sitter in the last minute against GWS and cost them the game?

Hasn't really got clutch gene has he?

People in glass houses and all that......

 

[Rob]

It's amazing how a lot of kids have no impact at his age and are excused but make a mistake and you are crucified.

Like daniher's dropped chest mark in the final vs north

Only when you start talking them up as a big superstar.

 

[bigboysdontcry]

I knew this would create a lot of negative views towards this post, however, I am happy to bump it up during the season and be proven wrong. I have watched him slowly get his body back since his terrible injury and know he hasn't had a solid preseason until now. His running style looks more free flowing at training (quicker & fitter). Going by most of the posters in here, He'll surprise a lot of you.