Event Horizon
Brownlow Medallist
It's hard to work out where exactly is Spitta at with his footy. He hasn't reached the pre Achilles form, that's for sure.
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He doesn't seem right at all. He seems a lot slower, and I'm assuming that he's being hampered when pushing off. To me he seems frustrated, I mean that trip was so unlike him.It's hard to work out where exactly is Spitta at with his footy. He hasn't reached the pre Achilles form, that's for sure.
Rd 22 2014 isn't really that long ago.He tries his guts out but his skills in 2015 are country football standard at best.
Can't kick left foot to save himself and just turns it over on the right.
Time for Jack to become our captain and fast.
Swallow hasn't dragged us over the line for a long long time to win a game.
His time has come !!!!
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Something very wrong that Josh Kelly's name is on this board but Tied to another club
If only Spitta could kick like Peter German.I don't think so. Larkin was much more classy. Mitchell of Hawthorn is an upgrade on Larkin. That's how great Larkin was.
Swallow is more the inside bullocking player like German use to be. Only Swallow works harder on his 'strength' which is tackling but both German & Swallow were 3/4 pace players.. heavy set midfielders but I'd have Swallow matched up with German only that German was a goal kicking midfielder.
Kelly and Brayshaw.
If only Spitta could kick like Peter German.
Don't know if this has been mentioned, but Spin is second overall in the AFL for tackles with 79, behind only Priddis, despite missing two whole games. He's also first in the AFL for average tackles with 7.9. ******* legend.
Too late. You're "that guy".Don't wanna be that guy, however if he had a little more explosiveness, he could beat his opponent to the ball and not have to tackle?
Let's be honest our three least explosive midfielders lead the tackling and we applaud them, however they struggle to average 25 plus touches a game, which is expected by a mid.
I seem to remember Larkin running out of the square and hitting horse on the tit quite a few times. Great to watchLarkin was definitely a better player - more creative and more skilful. Arguably our best inside midfielder behind Cable.
The comparison is more that both have led theirs teams nearly unassisted in the midfield* during a tough period between the retirement of some premiership heroes (Larkin - Schimma and Greig; Swallow - Grant and Simpson as examples) and a new talented generation coming through (Larkin - Schwass and Stevens; Swallow - Ziebell and Cunnington). Both at times virtually carried their teams at times.
Larkin is a great of the club, Swallow is definitely on the way there as well IMO.
*Swallow had Harvey, Larkin had German.
Don't know if this has been mentioned, but Spin is second overall in the AFL for tackles with 79, behind only Priddis, despite missing two whole games. He's also first in the AFL for average tackles with 7.9. ******* legend.
FFS. Honestly the ****ing dribble in this thread is off the charts.
The "let's trade him while he still has currency" call is the stuff of AFL Fantasy coaches universe. Teffy would have went off his rocker. I can't believe someone would even contemplate that shit.
Wanna know why we capitulated against Collingwood? Or failed to fire a shot against Fremantle? The lack of his presence in the centre square is probably your first point of call. Smashed in that 2nd half in clearances/contested possessions, and the Fremantle whitewash was nothing short of a debacle around the stoppages. We were straight up demolished inside.
Spitta's greatest asset is his ability to not only win contests around the stoppages, but at worst halve them and if that fails, his defensive output and tackling makes up for it. And, yes he tackles well because he is one of the best exponents of the technique in recent memory. Not because he lacks explosiveness to get to the ball first. I mean, really? **** me, his first 20m is more than adequate. Further to that, tackling numbers for an inside-mid has nothing to do with a lack of explosiveness but everything to do with positioning and recovery, when worked out of position, which happens often.
Elimination Final 2014 - "Zieeeeeeebell", "Petrie around the corner", all that Frank the Tank bullshit to follow. Yeah, well without Swallow willing himself through that contest and stoppage, like he consistently does in big moments, who knows how that game pans out. Hang on though, I guess his handball was a bit iffy with four guys hanging off him and he shouldn't have nearly missed his target in Goldy who is 7ft tall, and he probably didn't choose to kick because he knows he lacks the explosiveness to break away and/or he just knows he is a shithouse kick. Yeah, I'd probably consider trading him to be honest, because I wouldn't classify that as dragging us over the line. Others in our side drag us to more victories, more consistently. *wankmotion
You know what? I don't think he's the greatest leader and I would have Ziebell skipper the side from next season onward. He's also not the greatest kick. But he's more than serviceable and from 40m out directly in front, I would back him in over a host of others. But yeah, definitely, "country standard by foot at best". Brett Kirk couldn't kick over a jam tin, but his value was undeniable and Spitta is a better footballer than Kirky.
He has his limitations, but like most others who perform his role, they go incredibly underrated. I think it was NiceCunnington who has consistently said he is vastly underrated. Well, it seems like it has been the case with our skipper for some time now and it's just absolute crap. Just off the top of my head, a midfield combination of Liberatore, Priddis, Swallow and Kennedy would be just about the best centre/stoppage ball winning unit I could think of. I'm sure the clearance statistics over the past few seasons would reflect that and I would back Swallow in against all three of them to win the footy if the ball was thrown into the middle of them.
A good mate of mine I played footy with who works for the Hawks as an operations co-ordinator, and is apart of their match day logistics, has long told me that it isn't Harvey and Wells that become their primary or first point of focus during match committee or pre-game meetings, but it's Swallow's influence on the game in the clinches. Hodge smacking him with the elbow ring any bells? At the time that we were into Dal Santo he said to me that Swallow getting those three the ball will remain their key concern.
I've seen his year as being pretty good but inconsistent. He's not near his Syd Barker form of 2-4 years ago, but without his tackling pressure and ball winning ability against Essendon and WC in those close games a few weeks back, we probably leave without the four points. He's not far off the pace where he set an outstanding 183 tackle year in 2010, which suggests to me that it's only a matter of time before everything else comes along.
If he was to ever win a Brownlow (and he polled well in 2013 from limited games) the same people who naively potted Priddis would give Swallow the same treatment. They're not pretty/flashy footballers who grab the eye, and their abilities/contribution to the team, should by no means be diminished.
Maybe we need to refresh some memories of what he is capable of. This quarter is a consistent example of what he dished up during the middle of a wonderful 3 year (2010-12) period of football.
Keep setting the example Andrew. Love you champ.
Rant over/
FFS. Honestly the ****ing dribble in this thread is off the charts.
The "let's trade him while he still has currency" call is the stuff of AFL Fantasy coaches universe. Teffy would have went off his rocker. I can't believe someone would even contemplate that shit.
Wanna know why we capitulated against Collingwood? Or failed to fire a shot against Fremantle? The lack of his presence in the centre square is probably your first point of call. Smashed in that 2nd half in clearances/contested possessions, and the Fremantle whitewash was nothing short of a debacle around the stoppages. We were straight up demolished inside.
Spitta's greatest asset is his ability to not only win contests around the stoppages, but at worst halve them and if that fails, his defensive output and tackling makes up for it. And, yes he tackles well because he is one of the best exponents of the technique in recent memory. Not because he lacks explosiveness to get to the ball first. I mean, really? **** me, his first 20m is more than adequate. Further to that, tackling numbers for an inside-mid has nothing to do with a lack of explosiveness but everything to do with positioning and recovery, when worked out of position, which happens often.
Elimination Final 2014 - "Zieeeeeeebell", "Petrie around the corner", all that Frank the Tank bullshit to follow. Yeah, well without Swallow willing himself through that contest and stoppage, like he consistently does in big moments, who knows how that game pans out. Hang on though, I guess his handball was a bit iffy with four guys hanging off him and he shouldn't have nearly missed his target in Goldy who is 7ft tall, and he probably didn't choose to kick because he knows he lacks the explosiveness to break away and/or he just knows he is a shithouse kick. Yeah, I'd probably consider trading him to be honest, because I wouldn't classify that as dragging us over the line. Others in our side drag us to more victories, more consistently. *wankmotion
You know what? I don't think he's the greatest leader and I would have Ziebell skipper the side from next season onward. He's also not the greatest kick. But he's more than serviceable and from 40m out directly in front, I would back him in over a host of others. But yeah, definitely, "country standard by foot at best". Brett Kirk couldn't kick over a jam tin, but his value was undeniable and Spitta is a better footballer than Kirky.
He has his limitations, but like most others who perform his role, they go incredibly underrated. I think it was NiceCunnington who has consistently said he is vastly underrated. Well, it seems like it has been the case with our skipper for some time now and it's just absolute crap. Just off the top of my head, a midfield combination of Liberatore, Priddis, Swallow and Kennedy would be just about the best centre/stoppage ball winning unit I could think of. I'm sure the clearance statistics over the past few seasons would reflect that and I would back Swallow in against all three of them to win the footy if the ball was thrown into the middle of them.
A good mate of mine I played footy with who works for the Hawks as an operations co-ordinator, and is apart of their match day logistics, has long told me that it isn't Harvey and Wells that become their primary or first point of focus during match committee or pre-game meetings, but it's Swallow's influence on the game in the clinches. Hodge smacking him with the elbow ring any bells? At the time that we were into Dal Santo he said to me that Swallow getting those three the ball will remain their key concern.
I've seen his year as being pretty good but inconsistent. He's not near his Syd Barker form of 2-4 years ago, but without his tackling pressure and ball winning ability against Essendon and WC in those close games a few weeks back, we probably leave without the four points. He's not far off the pace where he set an outstanding 183 tackle year in 2010, which suggests to me that it's only a matter of time before everything else comes along.
If he was to ever win a Brownlow (and he polled well in 2013 from limited games) the same people who naively potted Priddis would give Swallow the same treatment. They're not pretty/flashy footballers who grab the eye, and their abilities/contribution to the team, should by no means be diminished.
Maybe we need to refresh some memories of what he is capable of. This quarter is a consistent example of what he dished up during the middle of a wonderful 3 year (2010-12) period of football.
Keep setting the example Andrew. Love you champ.
Rant over/
Not 1 person on the forum is denying he was a gun before the injury and that game was one of his best but that was 4 years ago now.
In AFL you are only as good as your last game. Hell people are bagging Ablett at the moment.
Time catches up with everyone including Wayne Carey in the end and Spitta is no longer playing at a Captain of an AFL side level and i
am sure even he would agree with that.
Notice the fact that Spitta has missed two games. That's about 20 tackles by his standards, so he should be much further in front.Yeah "Legend" status......
3rd J. Cripps (3 behind)
4th B.Howlett (6 behind)
in league tackles..... Look at those champions that are just behind him as tackles are such an important stat!!!!
FFS. Honestly the ****ing dribble in this thread is off the charts.
The "let's trade him while he still has currency" call is the stuff of AFL Fantasy coaches universe. Teffy would have went off his rocker. I can't believe someone would even contemplate that shit.
Wanna know why we capitulated against Collingwood? Or failed to fire a shot against Fremantle? The lack of his presence in the centre square is probably your first point of call. Smashed in that 2nd half in clearances/contested possessions, and the Fremantle whitewash was nothing short of a debacle around the stoppages. We were straight up demolished inside.
Spitta's greatest asset is his ability to not only win contests around the stoppages, but at worst halve them and if that fails, his defensive output and tackling makes up for it. And, yes he tackles well because he is one of the best exponents of the technique in recent memory. Not because he lacks explosiveness to get to the ball first. I mean, really? **** me, his first 20m is more than adequate. Further to that, tackling numbers for an inside-mid has nothing to do with a lack of explosiveness but everything to do with positioning and recovery, when worked out of position, which happens often.
Elimination Final 2014 - "Zieeeeeeebell", "Petrie around the corner", all that Frank the Tank bullshit to follow. Yeah, well without Swallow willing himself through that contest and stoppage, like he consistently does in big moments, who knows how that game pans out. Hang on though, I guess his handball was a bit iffy with four guys hanging off him and he shouldn't have nearly missed his target in Goldy who is 7ft tall, and he probably didn't choose to kick because he knows he lacks the explosiveness to break away and/or he just knows he is a shithouse kick. Yeah, I'd probably consider trading him to be honest, because I wouldn't classify that as dragging us over the line. Others in our side drag us to more victories, more consistently. *wankmotion
You know what? I don't think he's the greatest leader and I would have Ziebell skipper the side from next season onward. He's also not the greatest kick. But he's more than serviceable and from 40m out directly in front, I would back him in over a host of others. But yeah, definitely, "country standard by foot at best". Brett Kirk couldn't kick over a jam tin, but his value was undeniable and Spitta is a better footballer than Kirky.
He has his limitations, but like most others who perform his role, they go incredibly underrated. I think it was NiceCunnington who has consistently said he is vastly underrated. Well, it seems like it has been the case with our skipper for some time now and it's just absolute crap. Just off the top of my head, a midfield combination of Liberatore, Priddis, Swallow and Kennedy would be just about the best centre/stoppage ball winning unit I could think of. I'm sure the clearance statistics over the past few seasons would reflect that and I would back Swallow in against all three of them to win the footy if the ball was thrown into the middle of them.
A good mate of mine I played footy with who works for the Hawks as an operations co-ordinator, and is apart of their match day logistics, has long told me that it isn't Harvey and Wells that become their primary or first point of focus during match committee or pre-game meetings, but it's Swallow's influence on the game in the clinches. Hodge smacking him with the elbow ring any bells? At the time that we were into Dal Santo he said to me that Swallow getting those three the ball will remain their key concern.
I've seen his year as being pretty good but inconsistent. He's not near his Syd Barker form of 2-4 years ago, but without his tackling pressure and ball winning ability against Essendon and WC in those close games a few weeks back, we probably leave without the four points. He's not far off the pace where he set an outstanding 183 tackle year in 2010, which suggests to me that it's only a matter of time before everything else comes along.
If he was to ever win a Brownlow (and he polled well in 2013 from limited games) the same people who naively potted Priddis would give Swallow the same treatment. They're not pretty/flashy footballers who grab the eye, and their abilities/contribution to the team, should by no means be diminished.
Maybe we need to refresh some memories of what he is capable of. This quarter is a consistent example of what he dished up during the middle of a wonderful 3 year (2010-12) period of football.
Keep setting the example Andrew. Love you champ.
Rant over/
Par for the course for HH #3Superb post
FFS. Honestly the ****ing dribble in this thread is off the charts.
The "let's trade him while he still has currency" call is the stuff of AFL Fantasy coaches universe. Teffy would have went off his rocker. I can't believe someone would even contemplate that shit.
Wanna know why we capitulated against Collingwood? Or failed to fire a shot against Fremantle? The lack of his presence in the centre square is probably your first point of call. Smashed in that 2nd half in clearances/contested possessions, and the Fremantle whitewash was nothing short of a debacle around the stoppages. We were straight up demolished inside.
Spitta's greatest asset is his ability to not only win contests around the stoppages, but at worst halve them and if that fails, his defensive output and tackling makes up for it. And, yes he tackles well because he is one of the best exponents of the technique in recent memory. Not because he lacks explosiveness to get to the ball first. I mean, really? **** me, his first 20m is more than adequate. Further to that, tackling numbers for an inside-mid has nothing to do with a lack of explosiveness but everything to do with positioning and recovery, when worked out of position, which happens often.
Elimination Final 2014 - "Zieeeeeeebell", "Petrie around the corner", all that Frank the Tank bullshit to follow. Yeah, well without Swallow willing himself through that contest and stoppage, like he consistently does in big moments, who knows how that game pans out. Hang on though, I guess his handball was a bit iffy with four guys hanging off him and he shouldn't have nearly missed his target in Goldy who is 7ft tall, and he probably didn't choose to kick because he knows he lacks the explosiveness to break away and/or he just knows he is a shithouse kick. Yeah, I'd probably consider trading him to be honest, because I wouldn't classify that as dragging us over the line. Others in our side drag us to more victories, more consistently. *wankmotion
You know what? I don't think he's the greatest leader and I would have Ziebell skipper the side from next season onward. He's also not the greatest kick. But he's more than serviceable and from 40m out directly in front, I would back him in over a host of others. But yeah, definitely, "country standard by foot at best". Brett Kirk couldn't kick over a jam tin, but his value was undeniable and Spitta is a better footballer than Kirky.
He has his limitations, but like most others who perform his role, they go incredibly underrated. I think it was NiceCunnington who has consistently said he is vastly underrated. Well, it seems like it has been the case with our skipper for some time now and it's just absolute crap. Just off the top of my head, a midfield combination of Liberatore, Priddis, Swallow and Kennedy would be just about the best centre/stoppage ball winning unit I could think of. I'm sure the clearance statistics over the past few seasons would reflect that and I would back Swallow in against all three of them to win the footy if the ball was thrown into the middle of them.
A good mate of mine I played footy with who works for the Hawks as an operations co-ordinator, and is apart of their match day logistics, has long told me that it isn't Harvey and Wells that become their primary or first point of focus during match committee or pre-game meetings, but it's Swallow's influence on the game in the clinches. Hodge smacking him with the elbow ring any bells? At the time that we were into Dal Santo he said to me that Swallow getting those three the ball will remain their key concern.
I've seen his year as being pretty good but inconsistent. He's not near his Syd Barker form of 2-4 years ago, but without his tackling pressure and ball winning ability against Essendon and WC in those close games a few weeks back, we probably leave without the four points. He's not far off the pace where he set an outstanding 183 tackle year in 2010, which suggests to me that it's only a matter of time before everything else comes along.
If he was to ever win a Brownlow (and he polled well in 2013 from limited games) the same people who naively potted Priddis would give Swallow the same treatment. They're not pretty/flashy footballers who grab the eye, and their abilities/contribution to the team, should by no means be diminished.
Maybe we need to refresh some memories of what he is capable of. This quarter is a consistent example of what he dished up during the middle of a wonderful 3 year (2010-12) period of football.
Keep setting the example Andrew. Love you champ.
Rant over/
I know your trying to defend him and rightfully so, however you're giving him the 'honest battler' tag the way I read it, and he is better than that.
He has been horribly out of form this year (and last post injury), and he is now back to his 2010 low possession (comparatively)/high tackles form. There's something stopping him from getting to the ball and winning the possession before his opponent!