Oppo Camp Dangerfield's Gone (Zero tolerance to trolling) - READ THREAD LINKED IN OP BEFORE POSTING

[jenny61_99]

How do you reconcile that it was about success, then that became harder to sustain so he switched reasoning

Not very authentic or sincere is it? And that's without going into his right to choose

Bit silly to take him at face value when it's obviously spin

Regardless of his reasons, ITS HIS CHOICE.

 

[feenix67]

I didn't say you had to like it or agree with it. Just understand where he is coming from. Clearly that's impossible for many of you. I'm as pissed off as the next person, but I can fully understand why he's done it.

I have a special kind of sympathy for those who take peoples words as gospel. If you can't see the real reasons he left, then your powers of perception are very limited. Or clouded by the desire to "see the good in everyone" which, whilst idealistically admirable, is totally naïve.

 

[jenny61_99]

Cut me some slack Jen. The dollars are the same, the chances of success in my chosen profession are greater, my career span is another 6-8 years, my family are a short chopper ride away and are here every second week anyway... plus my sport involves a kind of continuity and team ethos that far exceeds that of most other professions.

We're not talking whole of life decisions here, so comparing to your personal circumstances is apples and oranges.

Clearly he doesn't see it that way.

 

[Sanders]

Regardless of his reasons, ITS HIS CHOICE.

But why should we empathise with someone who hasn't respected us along the way?

I agree it's his choice and I'm cool with him making it. I don't really like the way he handled it in the end. and that's my choice

 

[jenny61_99]

I have a special kind of sympathy for those who take peoples words as gospel. If you can't see the real reasons he left, then your powers of perception are very limited. Or clouded by the desire to "see the good in everyone" which, whilst idealistically admirable, is totally naïve.

Oh, and what are the real reasons then genius? If Geelong are on the slide and we're on the up, it can't be for success. So that could mean, maybe he's gone home to start a family and be around his family? Shock horror!

 

[feenix67]

Regardless of his reasons, ITS HIS CHOICE.

No shit? We're not questioning his right to choose. We're questioning his character on the basis of the choices (and other actions) he's taken.

 

[jenny61_99]

But why should we empathise with someone who hasn't respected us along the way?

I agree it's his choice and I'm cool with him making it. I don't really like the way he handled it in the end. and that's my choice

Yep, and I actually agree with you. Hated the way he went about it.

 

[Sanders]

Oh, and what are the real reasons then genius? If Geelong are on the slide and we're on the up, it can't be for success. So that could mean, maybe he's gone home to start a family and be around his family? Shock horror!

Good thing he hasn't changed his mind about what it's about then

 

[Geoffa32]

Your inability to have any empathy for Dangerfield the man, rather than Dangerfield the footballer, is astounding. We are all disappointed that Patrick chose to leave - particularly after what we've been through as a club this year. But if this year taught us one thing, it is that balance in life is essential. Family is important. Can't begrudge a guy for putting his priorities in order.

If Family is that important then dont be a professional sportsman.

Bruce Djite, Adelaide United "Striker" was on AA one day when Boak was going through the decision he had to make. He said the whole "homesick" thing is a joke when you are talking about Adelaide and Melbourne. Went on to say that he can get up in the morning, catch a flight to Melbourne for lunch and then be back in Adelaide for training. He didn't actually mean you can do this, but his point was how close Melbourne is to Adelaide considering how far other sportsman have to travel from home. He suggested it is either these big tough AFL men are really babies or it is a nice piece of leverage in bargaining and/or PR for when a player moves.


For me it is hard to stomach the "homesick" story when you see his parents are at every game and his Grandad and father are cracking jokes with our board members on camera behind Riley Knight after the Western Bulldogs Final.

Why can't he just be honest and say he wants to play for Geelong, the club he loved as a kid and missed out on being drafted to? Not to mention all the individual awards he will win there as they go through their rebuild. I doubt team success is really that high for Paddy, it is all about Paddy for him. Only need to revisit his Twitter work knowing he had told the club his decision in August.

 

[feenix67]

Oh, and what are the real reasons then genius? If Geelong are on the slide and we're on the up, it can't be for success. So that could mean, maybe he's gone home to start a family and be around his family? Shock horror!

That's just it Jen, you don't have to be a genius to see it. As Sanders rightly points out, his "reasons" changed as it suited him. First it was about success, then it became about family. Neither are true... it's about being a hometown hero if you ask me.

 

[Geoffa32]

But why should we empathise with someone who hasn't respected us along the way?

I agree it's his choice and I'm cool with him making it. I don't really like the way he handled it in the end. and that's my choice

BINGO.

The think that sticks in my mind is the way he trolled us on Twitter. He did not need to post that picture of those guys wearing his jumper at the G in a Geelong game in August. It appears he had already told the club he was going before he did that. In hindsight that is the act of a w***er, striving for attention knowing people were watching his Twitter for clues.

He showed us supporters no respect. At least Tippett didn't lead us on and give us false hope when he knew he was gone.


It is kind of ironic that two of the biggest team orientated clubs, Sydney and Geelong, have recruited some of the most selfish "me first" footballers in the last few years. As Hawthorn are now showing, it is a group of guys who value the team and not the individual that win flags. As Geelong and Sydney did when they had that ethos.

 

[Mego Red]

I think he wants to be in Melbourne because it's where he wants to be the rest of his life. He wants a media career.

In any event, I couldn't give a shit. He's gone. I only care that we get best possible value for him. The reasons for his decision as meaningless to me.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think he wants to be in Melbourne because it's where he wants to be the rest of his life. He wants a media career.

In any event, I couldn't give a shit. He's gone. I only care that we get best possible value for him. The reasons for his decision as meaningless to me.

This ....if our club negotiates well our side will be strengthened not weakened by Dangerfields departure ....i SINCERELY believe this

 

[jenny61_99]

Good thing he hasn't changed his mind about what it's about then

You've never changed your mind about something in your entire life? At first you wanted something for a reason and then later realised you still wanted it but for completely different reasons?

I agree with all of you re the way he went about it. Because of the crap we went through with Tippett, we all just wanted him to be upfront and honest with us. I get the anger at him for the toying with us, I do. My immediate reaction was no different.

And I don't think he's homesick at all. I think this is all about raising his family where he wants to. Where he and Mardi have their support network around them from the get go. And the bonus for him is he still gets to play the sport he loves at the elite level, at a club he grew up loving, not far from where he wants to live. It's called having your cake and eating it too, and if we were all completely honest, we'd jump at the chance to do the very same thing.

I've also realised that his loss may not be as disastrous to the club as people think.

 

[Geoffa32]

I think we can come out of this stronger onfield.

Danger is a great player, I wont slander his onfield ability. But he has his faults and is not really top tier elite when compared to the best in the game. He aint no Fyfe or Pendlebury. If the sum total of his trade is that we can get two (or more) quality players to replace him we win.

I look to what WCE did with the Judd trade and feel we can emulate that.

 

[Geoffa32]

You've never changed your mind about something in your entire life? At first you wanted something for a reason and then later realised you still wanted it but for completely different reasons?

I agree with all of you re the way he went about it. Because of the crap we went through with Tippett, we all just wanted him to be upfront and honest with us. I get the anger at him for the toying with us, I do. My immediate reaction was no different.

And I don't think he's homesick at all. I think this is all about raising his family where he wants to. Where he and Mardi have their support network around them from the get go. And the bonus for him is he still gets to play the sport he loves at the elite level, at a club he grew up loving, not far from where he wants to live. It's called having your cake and eating it too, and if we were all completely honest, we'd jump at the chance to do the very same thing.

I've also realised that his loss may not be as disastrous to the club as people think.

I guess we will know that is the truth if they have a child in the next couple of years?

 

[jenny61_99]

I guess we will know that is the truth if they have a child in the next couple of years?

I guess.

 

[Elite Crow]

I think we can come out of this stronger onfield.

Danger is a great player, I wont slander his onfield ability. But he has his faults and is not really top tier elite when compared to the best in the game. He aint no Fyfe or Pendlebury. If the sum total of his trade is that we can get two (or more) quality players to replace him we win.

I look to what WCE did with the Judd trade and feel we can emulate that.

What do you mean he's no Fyfe or Pendles? Bloody oath he is.

 

[Geoffa32]

What do you mean he's no Fyfe or Pendles? Bloody oath he is.

No he aint. His one great flaw is winning a clearance (he is great at this) and kicking it blindy down the ground. It is so predictable that Hawthorn set up for this in the Final against us and the early crucial centre clearances were turnovers due to this. No point winning clearances if you are going to turn em over.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

And I don't think he's homesick at all. I think this is all about raising his family where he wants to. Where he and Mardi have their support network around them from the get go. And the bonus for him is he still gets to play the sport he loves at the elite level, at a club he grew up loving, not far from where he wants to live. It's called having your cake and eating it too, and if we were all completely honest, we'd jump at the chance to do the very same thing.

This is a completely accurate assessment of the situation .....and yes his elite standing in the game allows him this opportunity.

But why is he in the sport, if not to win premierships ? .......Crows were a better option than Geelong based upon Geelong rebuilding

Hodge, Brereton, Rioli will be remembered in folklore .....introduced as 4 & 5 times premiership players forever

Others are remembered as club legends because of their one club status

Dangerfield will be remembered for what exactly .....achieved what?

 

[Elite Crow]

No he aint. His one great flaw is winning a clearance (he is great at this) and kicking it blindy down the ground. It is so predictable that Hawthorn set up for this in the Final against us and the early crucial centre clearances were turnovers due to this. No point winning clearances if you are going to turn em over.

Fyfe also isn't a great kick

 

[Geoffa32]

This is a completely accurate assessment of the situation .....and yes his elite standing in the game allows him this opportunity.

But why is he in the sport, if not to win premierships ? .......Crows were a better option than Geelong based upon Geelong rebuilding

Hodge, Brereton, Rioli will be remembered in folklore .....introduced as 4 & 5 times premiership players forever

Others are remembered as club legends because of their one club status

Dangerfield will be remembered for what exactly .....achieved what?

He will be able to count his Geelong BnFs and maybe a Brownlow medal (or two) playing in a losing side whilst his mummy and daddy babysit the kids while he makes his fortnightly appearance on The Footy Show.

 

[feenix67]

You've never changed your mind about something in your entire life? At first you wanted something for a reason and then later realised you still wanted it but for completely different reasons?

This is fanciful rubbish. No one as measured as he is can be that fickle.

agree with all of you re the way he went about it. Because of the crap we went through with Tippett, we all just wanted him to be upfront and honest with us. I get the anger at him for the toying with us, I do. My immediate reaction was no different.

And this is indicative of character and provides context when reading his motivations.

I don't think he's homesick at all. I think this is all about raising his family where he wants to. Where he and Mardi have their support network around them from the get go. And the bonus for him is he still gets to play the sport he loves at the elite level, at a club he grew up loving, not far from where he wants to live. It's called having your cake and eating it too, and if we were all completely honest, we'd jump at the chance to do the very same thing.

And there you go being idealistic again.

I've also realised that his loss may not be as disastrous to the club as people think.

He has a massive skillset and will be a major loss. A lot is riding on this year's trade and draft period. Hawthorn got it right when they lost Buddy, but they already had a premiership team - we're still building.

That said, we won't miss his FIGJAM

 

[WaynesWorld19]

He will be able to count his Geelong BnFs and maybe a Brownlow medal (or two) playing in a losing side whilst his mummy and daddy babysit the kids while he makes his fortnightly appearance on The Footy Show.

Maybe ....but IMO he has lost a chance to be remembered as a truly great player in history ...let's see how it turns out from here as it rarely turns out for the better

All for another 6 years at the Crows .....yes i understand his decision ....but footballing partners have to stop wearing the pants

 

[Geoffa32]

Fyfe also isn't a great kick

True, but it is not the actual mechanical skill letting Danger down. He has a great kick.

The flaw in Danger's game is the decision making to kick it blindly up the ground instead of lifting the eyes and hitting a team mate.


Danger is see ball get ball. Tough at the contest and has a good kick and get the ball to a team mate when it is the obvious choice. Guys like Fyfe and Pendles read the play and create more opportunities down the ground and create passages of play that are not obvious.



I doubt Danger would have the forsight to read the play like Tex did against the Bulldogs in THAT goal Charlie kicked. Danger would have ran down the wing and either had a shot himself or kicked it to Jenkins who was struggling to grab a mark all game.



The top players are not the best because of mechanical skill, it is footy IQ that gets them there.