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[Draft Bored]

Conners has confirmed he wont be leaving as a free agent.

 

[NikkiNoo]

Conners has confirmed he wont be leaving as a free agent.

He is still leaving as a free agent as a trade is one way for that to occur.

 

[fpm84]

[URL='https://twitter.com/AFL_petryan']peter ryan ‏@AFL_petryan

33m33 minutes ago

Patrick Dangerfield mgr tells @AFLPA madden medal gut feel that Crows - cats deal will be done quickly, even suggests crows might not match

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[randyzany]

There is unlikely to be an offer tabled until next week. Adelaide & Geelong are working together to get the best outcome for both clubs. As soon as Geelong tables a trade, Adelaide are forced into making a decision on matching within 72 hours. Neither club wants this process to be rushed, so the offer will not be tabled until both clubs have agreed on a final outcome.

I would say that the way both clubs are working together is a little different to how the conversations between Adelaide and Geelong supporters are working out!!

Exactly.

Understandably several afc fans have no qualms in insisting that matching Geelong's offer and sending Danger into the draft in case they don't deem the trade to be 'fair is a viable realistic option. They're reacting from a solely emotional level and are only interested in getting their pound of flesh no matter the negative consequences of having such a hardline stance.

However their admin would be far more pragmatic and sensible and realise that that option simply isn't available without doing long term damage to their brand.

TPTB at the crows would never treat a player who has given great service for 8 years with such disrespect. Make no mistake other players would be watching intently how the crows admin treat a top tier player in this particular negotiation.

The afc are aware that their reputation (regarding attracting and keeping quality players) is worth far too much to act out purely out of spite and come across as 'tough' negotiators who refuse to take into consideration the human side of footy.

In the long run being seen as hard asses in this trade could have severe repercussions and that's something that's way too valuable to destroy over 1 trade.

You're never going to get fair value for a player of Danger's ilk, 4 or 5 Round 1 picks probably still don't do him justice.

These are the type of players that are 'priceless' because you wanna keep them at your club and only deal in trade that involves them because you're force to due to them wanting out.

Geelong has gone through something similar with Ablett, Christensen, Mumford, etc.. so we understand how much it sucks, swings and roundabouts and all that.

 

[Draft Bored]

You're never going to get fair value for a player of Danger's ilk, 4 or 5 Round 1 picks probably still don't do him justice.

Why?

West Coast got fair value for Judd.
Collingwood got fair value for Beams.

 

[randyzany]

In hindsight you could say the trade worked out in the eagels favour. The beams trade is still up for debate, if brissie were a half decent side Beam's worth would be more evident than it is playing for a mediocre side.

 

[fpm84]

Why?

West Coast got fair value for Judd.
Collingwood got fair value for Beams.

The only reason West Coast got fair value is because Kennedy turned out to be a star. Fortunately, we don't have a former top 5 drafted KPP from South Australia who wants to return home. Additionally, Carlton also had pick 1 in that draft (Kreuzer) which the Eagles initially demanded but didn't get.

Brisbane paid overs for Beams but they had to give Beams was contracted. Completely different scenario to an uncontracted player who wants out.

 

[hippyhippy]

The only reason West Coast got fair value is because Kennedy turned out to be a star. Fortunately, we don't have a former top 5 drafted KPP from South Australia who wants to return home. Additionally, Carlton also had pick 1 in that draft (Kreuzer) which the Eagles initially demanded but didn't get.

Brisbane paid overs for Beams but they had to give Beams was contracted. Completely different scenario to an uncontracted player who wants out.

thats ok .. we'll take cockatoo.. he looks like a dud at the moment.. couldnt even get many games in a team that didnt even make top 8.

 

[Draft Bored]

Fortunately, we don't have a former top 5 drafted KPP from South Australia who wants to return home.

Not sure how your lack of assets are our problem? You have two first rounders.

 

[AJB84]

The only reason West Coast got fair value is because Kennedy turned out to be a star. Fortunately, we don't have a former top 5 drafted KPP from South Australia who wants to return home. Additionally, Carlton also had pick 1 in that draft (Kreuzer) which the Eagles initially demanded but didn't get.

Brisbane paid overs for Beams but they had to give Beams was contracted. Completely different scenario to an uncontracted player who wants out.

Kennedy did not want to return home he was pushed out to get Judd

 

[fpm84]

Not sure how your lack of assets are our problem? You have two first rounders.

You think that pick 9 this year and our first next year - for argument's sake let's say pick 13 - is fair compensation?

 

[6BTS]

You


Yes, but you left out the bit that happens after the club says they will match. That is the player can still seek a trade, nominate for the draft or stay.

Given he's already stated he wants to leave, staying isn't really an option. Trades agreeable to both parties are much more likely to occur before this point, so a trade is also highly unlikely. The much more likely scenario from that point is that Dangerfield goes to the draft and tries to get to Geelong.

If Adelaide match, Dangerfield will nominate for the draft. Even if he's drafted to a Melbourne club, he will live in Geelong and eventually move to the club, all Melbourne (and interstate clubs) will be made fully aware of this by his management.

The thing is that none of this will ever play out because Adelaide get nothing if this occurs, which they can't afford to happen. So if it gets to the point of matching, it will just cost Adelaide the compensation pick they would get if they don't match.

So you're right, they can match, but they won't. A first round draft pick isn't worth losing just to make a stand. Geelong and Adelaide know this to be the case.

The 'Restriction' is only really valid if they player would rather stay than go in the draft, I doubt that's the case here. BTW, this doesn't even have to be true, if the player and manager say he'd rather play at Melbourne than Adelaide, Adelaide would have to call that bluff and risk losing a first round draft pick.

That's an interesting comment. I'm basing my opinion that the AFC will match on what an official from my club has said publicly. Are you basing your opinion that Adelaide won't match on hearing anything official from the AFC at all? I think I already know the answer to this question.

 

[Saint]

They are still counted as a contracted player up until the point that refuse a trade scenario. So until that happens he is a contracted player.

You know how our list management think? Considering we have a new list manager who is a former player agent, that's a pretty special gift you have there.

So he's contracted until the end of trade week, basically. As if Geelong and his management don't know when his contract expires?!?!?

If he doesn't sign anything, he nominates for the draft. He doesn't even have to accept a trade. PD can even decide that Geelong have given up too much and refuse the trade and nominate for the draft.

The deal will be done within a week for a first round pick and somebody like Gregson or Horlin-Smith, or maybe a 3 way with Walker/Henderson/Selwood.

 

[Dan2352]

You think that pick 9 this year and our first next year - for argument's sake let's say pick 13 - is fair compensation?

Not particularly but given the circumstances it is about as good as we can hope for... you arent going to give up player plus 2 1st round picks

 

[RippaRiley43]

Exactly.

Understandably several afc fans have no qualms in insisting that matching Geelong's offer and sending Danger into the draft in case they don't deem the trade to be 'fair is a viable realistic option. They're reacting from a solely emotional level and are only interested in getting their pound of flesh no matter the negative consequences of having such a hardline stance.

However their admin would be far more pragmatic and sensible and realise that that option simply isn't available without doing long term damage to their brand.

TPTB at the crows would never treat a player who has given great service for 8 years with such disrespect. Make no mistake other players would be watching intently how the crows admin treat a top tier player in this particular negotiation.

The afc are aware that their reputation (regarding attracting and keeping quality players) is worth far too much to act out purely out of spite and come across as 'tough' negotiators who refuse to take into consideration the human side of footy.

In the long run being seen as hard asses in this trade could have severe repercussions and that's something that's way too valuable to destroy over 1 trade.

You're never going to get fair value for a player of Danger's ilk, 4 or 5 Round 1 picks probably still don't do him justice.

These are the type of players that are 'priceless' because you wanna keep them at your club and only deal in trade that involves them because you're force to due to them wanting out.

Geelong has gone through something similar with Ablett, Christensen, Mumford, etc.. so we understand how much it sucks, swings and roundabouts and all that.

Why is this? Tell me well has bending over for the following worked for us?
- Tippett (bending over and making stupid side deals to prevent him from leaving)
- Gunston (bending over and allowing him to go to mummy and his club of choice plus accepting a crappy trade when blind Freddie could tell he would be a gun)
- The AFL in general (bending over in the Matt Rendell saga, being punished for Dean Bailey not tanking, over the top draft sanctions, dodgy umpiring in that 2012 prelim, crappy fixtures year after year)

As evidenced by these examples, many Crows fans get the impression that we are a club that can easily be trodden upon by anyone who wants to, as does a bit of your fanbase who churn out those disrespectful feederclub wefeedasone hashtags. Plus for years and years and years we've constantly been the butt of all jokes because Adelaide is a boring hole, who would want to live there, hahahaha. Our reaction is completely understandable if you ask me.

Matching this offer would give off the impression that this club has finally turned a corner, and we aren't going to be pushed around by players who try to dictate the terms and demand to go to the club of their choice while we get reamed. If we bend over yet again, then some other player will most likely walk out next year or the year after. We've seen it before.

Accepting unders for Dangerfield reinforces this, and compromises our ability to be successful, which prompts more players to walk out in search of success. And what sane player is going to want to come to a club that bends over and compromises its ability to win games by bending over at every opportunity?

We've lost a whole damn spine of quality players (Davis, Bock, Dangerfield, Gunston, Tippett) in just five years, each of which we have bent over for in some way. Enough is enough, the nightmare has to stop sooner rather than later.

We don't even want four first rounders. Just two first rounders or one first rounder and Cockatoo (not our choice of your list cloggers), which isn't too unreasonable if you really think about it. We're certainly not unfair traders.

 

[6BTS]

You think that pick 9 this year and our first next year - for argument's sake let's say pick 13 - is fair compensation?

I don't know about the rest of the people here, but I'm pretty certain this is what the AFC sees as fair compensation considering all the circumstances involved.

 

[Saint]

That's an interesting comment. I'm basing my opinion that the AFC will match on what an official from my club has said publicly. Are you basing your opinion that Adelaide won't match on hearing anything official from the AFC at all? I think I already know the answer to this question.

From what both clubs have said, neither will let it get that far, for Geelong because they want PD, and for Adelaide because they want some compensation and won't if it gets that far for the reasons I mentioned. The only reason they threaten to match is to get something slightly more than the compensation.

 

[marty36]

So he's contracted until the end of trade week, basically. As if Geelong and his management don't know when his contract expires?!?!?

If he doesn't sign anything, he nominates for the draft. He doesn't even have to accept a trade. PD can even decide that Geelong have given up too much and refuse the trade and nominate for the draft.

The deal will be done within a week for a first round pick and somebody like Gregson or Horlin-Smith, or maybe a 3 way with Walker/Henderson/Selwood.

I think its starting to become pretty damn clear to all that there will be a trade excepet a few hunded Geelong BF posters, so you maybe around the mark you would think it will be a combination of a pick or picks and a player or players. Guessing that they would trade was easy if you werent a Geelong BF poster predicting the trade will be much harder as both parties will be fighting hard, maybe bring in the AFL to mediate like they did with Ryder with Port and Essendon.

 

[Boxhead_31]

So Connors saying pick 9 and a second round next year or Pick 9 and a player this year is what has been discussed between the two clubs

 

[dogs105]

So Connors saying pick 9 and a second round next year or Pick 9 and a player this year is what has been discussed between the two clubs

What about Henderson then?

 

[footy4ever]

Sound more like panicking than posturing to me. He has no need to be saying anything unless he's shitting himself.

I mentioned before his posturing was from shitting himself. He shat himself and raced over here when Walsh died to stop Danger from signing from the heart. Make no mistake, Connors had Danger at Geelong long before Walsh's death and Crows matching will **** up what ever overall scheme he had in mind.

 

[Dan2352]

So Connors saying pick 9 and a second round next year or Pick 9 and a player this year is what has been discussed between the two clubs

I still can't see the crows agreeing to that deal now... maybe at the end of the trade period but not now... 2 x firsts or 1st and second this year and second next would be adelaides bottom line now...

What are the chances of getting another club in on the trade (e.g Brisbane)... given jansen from geelong wants to go there?

 

[Dan2352]

What about Henderson then?

Cameron Ling nailed it... decide who your priorities are first and get that deal done then get what you can thereafter...

Can see Henderson being a final day deal for scraps

 

[6BTS]

So Connors saying pick 9 and a second round next year or Pick 9 and a player this year is what has been discussed between the two clubs

I didn't realize Connors sat in on the discussions. You learn something new every day.

 

[footy4ever]

Andrew Fagan: **stares at Marsh, who bursts into flames**

I LOLd so hard snot shot out of my nose.