Recruiting EFC Trade/Draft Talk II with F/A rules in OP - Billings for a fourth rounder the latest rumour

[yodellinhank]

But isn't that precisely what creates a slider or reach by definition? But you Said the terms were just figaments of bf

Use boekhurst as an example, Carlton believed he was the best option available to them at 19, it's since been confirmed by other clubs since he wasnt on their radar nearly that early, suggesting he would have still been available at 27.

Did they reach for him ahead of laverde? Was he a bolter?

Anyhow I try not come here to argue, happy to debate. Once the draft is done we can all talk about facts again instead of conjecture and speculation which is all we have in this vacuum

And then we take laverde, he was going to be a jet but he turned into a slider.

Jet, Bolter, slider, backing the recruiter in... These expressions make me want to reach - and you don't want to reach...

I'll be glad when the draft is over moreso for the freshness in dialogue.

 

[hepd]

Every player is limited, every player has areas of his game to work on. As has been mentioned, the better KPF's are taken early and whilst most amateur drafters think Weid is too early, it seems the vast majority of people who know anything about this crop of kids has Weid in the top dozen kids to be drafted.

If we were to grab him, it's not like he is rated in the teens and we grab him at pick 4/5 (sucked in Richmond with Conca).

The question with drafting another imposing gun KPF is that does he play in the same forward line as Daniher? Personally, I can see the forward line getting way too cluttered - they both seem to be stand-and-deliver, lynchpin type of forwards unless Weideman has the tank and capacity to play a little higher when necessary? It just becomes a bit one dimensional especially with the new interchange cap.

There's no doubt Weideman is a top talent but you don't use picks 4/5 on players to be a 'sideshow'/role player to Daniher over picking up Parish/Oliver/Francis who will be the stars of their positions. Darling, Ben Brown and others have shown that you can get someone to partner with your gun KPF without having to expend such early picks.

Boy, it's good to have high draft picks again though

 

[lenny2013]

I can't agree enough with these comments made by Knightmare.

I'm a best available guy and Oliver and Francis are the better players in my view.

Essendon aren't premiership or top 8 contenders so I see no urgency to address needs and instead I'd see if I can add someone who can anywhere be a difference maker. And Oliver and Francis both can really influence games and get things going in the right direction.

With picks. I appreciate value and the best players available. It's no good in 2001 if West Coast take Graham Polak thinking they need a key forward when Chris Judd is there. People won't remember 5, 10 years on whether you filled a list need. People will remember whether you picked a guy who can play or not.

Given this view and given this recruiting strategy may lead to no key forward being selected this year I'd be recommending Essendon select Sam Grimley as a delisted free agent before Brisbane or someone else do as an adequate second option alongside Daniher. With Mitch Brown late draft a further option who like Grimley can suffice in the interim until that second long term star key forward can be/is added.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Every player is limited, every player has areas of his game to work on. As has been mentioned, the better KPF's are taken early and whilst most amateur drafters think Weid is too early, it seems the vast majority of people who know anything about this crop of kids has Weid in the top dozen kids to be drafted.

If we were to grab him, it's not like he is rated in the teens and we grab him at pick 4/5 (sucked in Richmond with Conca).

I'm taking about power rankings, not where they actually get drafted. The top KPFs that got drafted early would have been high up on clubs power rankings, whereas I suspect Weiderman is down the rankings a bit but has a high draft position simply by virtue of being one of the best of a bad lot.

The question with drafting another imposing gun KPF is that does he play in the same forward line as Daniher? Personally, I can see the forward line getting way too cluttered - they both seem to be stand-and-deliver, lynchpin type of forwards unless Weideman has the tank and capacity to play a little higher when necessary? It just becomes a bit one dimensional especially with the new interchange cap.

There's no doubt Weideman is a top talent but you don't use picks 4/5 on players to be a 'sideshow'/role player to Daniher over picking up Parish/Oliver/Francis who will be the stars of their positions. Darling, Ben Brown and others have shown that you can get someone to partner with your gun KPF without having to expend such early picks.

Boy, it's good to have high draft picks again though

This is another good point, do we need a KPF in the top 5 of all draftees with Daniher in the forward line? Unless we decide that Daniher is C or B grade, we should be able to get by with McKernan, a VFL KPF or a DFA. What we need is depth, and you don't select depth with picks in the top 5.

The more I think about it, the more I think that drafting Wiederman at 4 or 5 seems like a terrible waste of an amazing draft position.

 

[Gumby2Hurley]

I think we're actually a little thin on small defenders now, so would definitely take him.

Assuming by small defenders you mean ones that can play play lock down like Baggers?

 

[lenny2013]

Callum Twomey ‏@AFL_CalTwomey 41m41 minutes ago

Sam Weideman to do a private testing session next week, including the beep test. Could be vital for top-5 chances http://afl.to/1Snhlw3

 

[eth-dog]

Assuming by small defenders you mean ones that can play play lock down like Baggers?

Nope, in general. We have Baguley, Ashby, Gleeson, Hibberd and at a stretch Stanton, Dempsey and Goddard on the list.

 

[jsd09]

I'm taking about power rankings, not where they actually get drafted. The top KPFs that got drafted early would have been high up on clubs power rankings, whereas I suspect Weiderman is down the rankings a bit but has a high draft position simply by virtue of being one of the best of a bad lot.



This is another good point, do we need a KPF in the top 5 of all draftees with Daniher in the forward line? Unless we decide that Daniher is C or B grade, we should be able to get by with McKernan, a VFL KPF or a DFA. What we need is depth, and you don't select depth with picks in the top 5.

The more I think about it, the more I think that drafting Wiederman at 4 or 5 seems like a terrible waste of an amazing draft position.

Couldn't agree more. we had Danier & Carlisle/Hurley over the past few years and our forward line still sucked. Recruiting another daniher is not going to improve that. it's the stuff further up the ground that we need to focus on and the rest will sort itself out aka. ball delivery/quick ball movement.

 

[Fin ice Smuggler]

Just get midfielders, Worsfold won a premiership with the Big Q at full forward and stats prove those that control the ball, such as the likes as the hawks usually run out games better than those that chase the ball.

There's what 7 out of 18 players on the ground that are KPP, so attack the major core required that helps win games especially with Jobe, Stants and Goddard set to retire in a few years.

maybe get 1 project KPP at those picks in the 20's but boy i hope we dont at picks 4,5.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Couldn't agree more. we had Danier & Carlisle/Hurley over the past few years and our forward line still sucked. Recruiting another daniher is not going to improve that. it's the stuff further up the ground that we need to focus on and the rest will sort itself out aka. ball delivery/quick ball movement.

That's what it all points to I feel. Midfielders with pace, good decision making and good disposal efficiency. Dodoro did say midfielders were his priority on trade radio a while back, but you never know which of those comments are fact and which are designed to throw off opposition recruiters.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Tough decision for Dodoro et al if Curnow goes at 3 as some are suggesting. Parish, Francis or Oliver? You can't really lose but you just know the one you don't pick will end up being an absolute jet...

 

[yodellinhank]

Just get midfielders, Worsfold won a premiership with the Big Q at full forward and stats prove those that control the ball, such as the likes as the hawks usually run out games better than those that chase the ball.

There's what 7 out of 18 players on the ground that are KPP, so attack the major core required that helps win games especially with Jobe, Stants and Goddard set to retire in a few years.

maybe get 1 project KPP at those picks in the 20's but boy i hope we dont at picks 4,5.

re: stats prove - we had no trouble controlling the ball and maintaining possession last couple years. We have just gone sideways and backwards doing it because there isn't the targets to kick to.

 

[Old Campaigner]

re: stats prove - we had no trouble controlling the ball and maintaining possession last couple years. We have just gone sideways and backwards doing it because there isn't the targets to kick to.

We had the targets, the targets just didn't know where to run to make life easier for the people with the ball.

 

[efcboy]

Agree with Mighty Dons that Tucker could be a Stanton type player - I'd jump on him if available at 24.

Kelvin Sheedy would have to be a fan then hey!

 

[efcboy]

Fantasia, Ashby, Dempsey all outside the best 22 as small defenders.

Could make a case for a third tall as a need with only James Gwilt on our list and he is already in our best 22.

Gwilt will be gone at end of of next season, Dempsey is lucky to be on the list and ashby is in a make or break year. Fantasia is more of a wingman played to use his pace and line breaking as opposed to being a lockdown defender. Like most areas we need more depth.

 

[Fin ice Smuggler]

re: stats prove - we had no trouble controlling the ball and maintaining possession last couple years. We have just gone sideways and backwards doing it because there isn't the targets to kick to.

Joe Daniher, Crameri and Carlisle werent targets??????? Are u serious Dodoro? we went sideways because our lack of foot speed enabled the opposition to flood into the dangerous area's we wanted to kick into. The only time we looked dangerous was when Colyer got the ball and broke the lines.

SERIOUSLY Some people are deluded.

 

[efcboy]

Tough decision for Dodoro et al if Curnow goes at 3 as some are suggesting. Parish, Francis or Oliver? You can't really lose but you just know the one you don't pick will end up being an absolute jet...

Parish and Francis looks the safer bet. You add a potential gun midfielder in parish and a gun utility in Francis that can play bursts in midfield.

Oliver is a bigger risk as he hasn't been proven in any elite form of competition given he was overlooked for the national carnival. It's much easier at club level than at state level when it's best of the best for that age group.

 

[efcboy]

re: stats prove - we had no trouble controlling the ball and maintaining possession last couple years. We have just gone sideways and backwards doing it because there isn't the targets to kick to.

I don't think you can be too conclusive about anything over past 3 years. The mental state of players has been up and down as a result of asaga and thus decision making has been affected. So it's hard to know if it is the mids, the forwards, a combo of both or the effect of off field dramas. I think this season highlighted the off field stuff - we played very good early when the players thought it was over. Then when WADA came sniffing many players were disillusioned and the style was completely lost.

 

[Doss]

So, Daniel Coghlan has re-signed with the VFL side next year.

Is that a conclusive sign that AFL for him isn't happening?

 

[Old Campaigner]

So, Daniel Coghlan has re-signed with the VFL side next year.

Is that a conclusive sign that AFL for him isn't happening?

I don't think so.

 

[60sbomber]

Callum Twomey ‏@AFL_CalTwomey 41m41 minutes ago

Sam Weideman to do a private testing session next week, including the beep test. Could be vital for top-5 chances http://afl.to/1Snhlw3

I'd be more interested in his agility than his beep result. I could understand a limited endurance capabiltity, given he is coming off an injury, and it can be developed over time. But agility is something you can't do without in the modern game, power forwards included. We can't built a forward line around Joe and another player with only average agility/speed or worse.

 

[Big Fresh]

Parish and Francis looks the safer bet. You add a potential gun midfielder in parish and a gun utility in Francis that can play bursts in midfield.

Oliver is a bigger risk as he hasn't been proven in any elite form of competition given he was overlooked for the national carnival. It's much easier at club level than at state level when it's best of the best for that age group.

Oliver played pretty well in the VFL apparently.

 

[WEEVZ]

I'd be more interested in his agility than his beep result. I could understand a limited endurance capabiltity, given he is coming off an injury, and it can be developed over time. But agility is something you can't do without in the modern game, power forwards included. We can't built a forward line around Joe and another player with only average agility/speed or worse.

Goal-kicking would have to be another test with Weideman. Apparently a few recruiters don't rate his ability to kick goals from a set shot.

 

[eth-dog]

Oliver played pretty well in the VFL apparently.

Played 2 games, stats don't look overly impressive.

 

[WEEVZ]

Played 2 games, stats don't look overly impressive.

Maybe not impressive, but showed he's capable of competing physically with men.