Oppo Camp Non Eagles Discussion Thread

[Adzam]

Anyone else thinks today is the best thing that's happened to EFC in 4 years?

yeah I do. In all seriousness imagine how ****ing sick you would feel from the stress that would hanging over your head over the last few years.

 

[iLikeIt]

Jeez you guys are very tough. How can you not feel even a modicum of sympathy for the players?

If you can believe what you read (I know, I know) some of them questioned the legality of it all and were assured that it was all good to go. Surely they could not have imagined that the club would put them in harms way.

IMHO the person who should bear the brunt of this whole disaster is the former god-like Hird. Always knew that there was a good reason I loathed him for all those years.

If you read the actual report, not media or various opinion pieces, I don't think you'd be as sympathetic toward the players. It is pretty damning of everyone involved. Players knowingly hid their injections and use of the pills by omitting it from their control forms. If you are taking something and failing to disclose it, as you do for everything else, kind of screams that they knew they were doing the wrong thing.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Makes you wonder what would have happened if Essendon hadn't dragged this out for so long. If they'd put their hand up at the start, said yep we've done the wrong thing and taken a 6 month reduced ban for co-operating with ASADA you'd think they'd be in a much better position than they are now. As it stands this season will be the 4th year compromised by this shit, our sport looks like a laughing stock and the players involved are now 3 years older and have achieved virtually nothing since.

This is what makes it so good.
Remember what we did in 07 with the Cousins/drug scandal?

Essendon got everything they asked for. They sued ASADA FFS. So ASADA went to big daddy to tell them off.
Cronulla Sharks are doing just fine BTW.
Essendon can get sued into the dark ages and in 10 years time no one will care.

 

[ziad]

Jeez you guys are very tough. How can you not feel even a modicum of sympathy for the players?

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Perhaps some of us come from backgrounds where drug cheats are not well regarded!

 

[ep2018]

The elephant in the room is the AFL letting the players off in the original report. Funny that they were so eager to throw us under the bus in 2007. I guess we're just expendable in this comp compared to a Vic team.

 

[Godfather32]

The elephant in the room is the AFL letting the players off in the original report. Funny that they were so eager to throw us under the bus in 2007. I guess we're just expendable in this comp compared to a Vic team.

The league is an absolute joke, just read that if Essendon finish last this year they'll get to keep the number 1 draft pick.

 

[ioppolo]

Woosha does his best work under zero pressure. He's complete vanilla when something is expected of him though.

Essendon for top 8.

 

[FatPizza]

Still wondering what Hird's version of the truth will be. Pity Australia doesn't have an Oprah equivalent for him to let it all out in a highly curated environment.

 

[Godfather32]

Still wondering what Hird's version of the truth will be. Pity Australia doesn't have an Oprah equivalent for him to let it all out in a highly curated environment.

Blame it all on Dank no doubt, poor Hirdy was deceived....

 

[bUCKET__]

Still wondering what Hird's version of the truth will be. Pity Australia doesn't have an Oprah equivalent for him to let it all out in a highly curated environment.

Something like this! http://www.ethics.org.au/events/event-details/james-hird-in-conversation

I'm gutted for Myers - he's a fantastic person and wouldn't have done anything untoward. He loves that club and he must feel so betrayed and sick in the stomach. Hopefully he comes back and has a great career post-2016.

Myers is pretty underrated as a player too, wouldn't mind it at all if we could poach him.

 

[La Dolce Vita]

Woosha does his best work under zero pressure. He's complete vanilla when something is expected of him though.

Essendon for top 8.

drivel

 

[tonayz]

Only ones I feel for are the supporters who were looking for Heppell, Hurley and co to alleviate the drudgery of their day to day grind. #ironore amirite

As for the players, ignorance of the law is never an excuse sorry.

 

[ep2018]

The league is an absolute joke, just read that if Essendon finish last this year they'll get to keep the number 1 draft pick.

Watson will keep his Brownlow too. probably.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Watson will keep his Brownlow too. probably.

If it's the AFL's decision, he probably will, don't think WADA/ASADA would be overly interested in taking back awards. Didn't the AFL already say that they won't be taking further action? I hope that common sense prevails though to uphold the 'integrity' of the award.

 

[WCErevival]

The league is an absolute joke, just read that if Essendon finish last this year they'll get to keep the number 1 draft pick.

They were probably going to finish quite low anyway so it doesn't make much of a difference.

 

[Godfather32]

Watson will keep his Brownlow too. probably.

Such bullshit if he keeps it. The way the AFL is handling this whole thing makes me think that they think that all AFL fans are morons and are just going to believe the crap they and their media flogs keep peddling.

 

[Godfather32]

They were probably going to finish quite low anyway so it doesn't make much of a difference.

They shouldn't get rewarded for this though, in fact there should be further sanctions for the club, the punishments they've received already are nothing compared to the punishments handed out to other teams for lesser offences.

 

[WCErevival]

They shouldn't get rewarded for this though, in fact there should be further sanctions for the club, the punishments they've received already are nothing compared to the punishments handed out to other teams for lesser offences.

I dont think they have been rewarded. They have copped a bit. Probably around 1 and a half years all up player ban when you count the time they took off before. Loss of draft picks in 2013 and 2014. Kicked out of finals 2013. 2 million dollar fine. Coach banned and then sacked. The only advantage is they may rise a couple of spots in this years draft. The club is completely broken and probably wont recover for a long time its not really going to matter. There is a good chance Carlton still get the spoon too.

 

[Keys]

Watson will keep his Brownlow too. probably.

I don't mind jobe Watson - he seems like a decent person and has carried himself with dignity throughout this saga for the most part

But I can't believe there's even a question as to whether he should lose his brownlow. It's a no brainer - he has just been found guilty of taking a banned substance during the season he won the medal. Of course he loses it, to suggest otherwise is idiocy

 

[Godfather32]

I dont think they have been rewarded. They have copped a bit. Probably around 1 and a half years all up player ban when you count the time they took off before. Loss of draft picks in 2013 and 2014. Kicked out of finals 2013. 2 million dollar fine. Coach banned and then sacked. The only advantage is they may rise a couple of spots in this years draft. The club is completely broken and probably wont recover for a long time its not really going to matter. There is a good chance Carlton still get the spoon too.

You seriously don't see anything wrong with a club who has just been convicted of running a team-wide doping program getting the first pick in this years draft?
And for all of the penalties imposed on Essendon for governance issues Adelaide still lost more draft picks for trying to pay Tippett a bit of extra money outside the cap, which is lesser crime imo.
Essendon are lucky they haven't been banned from the competition completely.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

It isn't as though Essendon are sure things to finish last. A number 1 pick isn't guaranteed success anyway.

 

[WCErevival]

You seriously don't see anything wrong with a club who has just been convicted of running a team-wide doping program getting the first pick in this years draft?
And for all of the penalties imposed on Essendon for governance issues Adelaide still lost more draft picks for trying to pay Tippett a bit of extra money outside the cap, which is lesser crime imo.
Essendon are lucky they haven't been banned from the competition completely.

Well ideally all of their penalties should have been at the same time but its been a mess. Draft picks and player bans etc. The AFL have already done their bit and now WADA has banned the players. Essendon now is functioning as a normal team just with out those players. If they happen to finish last and get a good pick what can you do. You cant just make up more punishments as you go.

 

[Godfather32]

Well ideally all of their penalties should have been at the same time but its been a mess. Draft picks and player bans etc. The AFL have already done their bit and now WADA has banned the players. Essendon now is functioning as a normal team just with out those players. If they happen to finish last and get a good pick what can you do. You cant just make up more punishments as you go.

Their punishment wasn't for doping though, it was for poor governence - ie: not having records of what was given to players.

 

[kane249]

Watson will keep his Brownlow too. probably.

Too much bad publicity if he does keep it now in lieu of them being officially banned.

2012 Brownlow will be null and void with no official winner, doesn't feel right to give it to Mitchell or Cotchin either.

 

[WCErevival]

Their punishment wasn't for doping though, it was for poor governence - ie: not having records of what was given to players.

The AFL doesn't control the doping side of the sport from what I understand. Thats for ASADA or WADA.