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James Hird's latest defeat in court – this time being slugged with a bill for $660,000 – is another chapter in a saga that could eventually cost more than $35 million.

The fall-out of the Essendon injecting program is now in its fourth year after the Bombers self-reported to the AFL and the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority over fears players had been administered performance-enhancing drugs.



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"Jim, welcome to the club"

"Don't touch the golden locks....and thanks"

"Lets discuss budget for the next few years"

"I'll need a cool mill for me, coupla hunje for Bomber, and saaaaaaay $30m plus for the lads conditioning, they'll be in a good spot with that investment"

"Anything you say Messiah"
 
Percel said:
"Jim, welcome to the club"

"Don't touch the golden locks....and thanks"

"Lets discuss budget for the next few years"

"I'll need a cool mill for me, coupla hunje for Bomber, and saaaaaaay $30m plus for the lads conditioning, they'll be in a good spot with that investment"

"Anything you say Messiah"
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Interesting article quoting Beverley Knights in the age suggesting Evans and Robson were in it up to their eyeballs, Evans was impatient for a flag and then would take up his pre ordained place on the AFL commission. May be a clue as to why Hirdy had no hesitation in throwing Evans under the bus and why Evans accepted his fate so meekly.
 
Seadog said:
Interesting article quoting Beverley Knights in the age suggesting Evans and Robson were in it up to their eyeballs, Evans was impatient for a flag and then would take up his pre ordained place on the AFL commission. May be a clue as to why Hirdy had no hesitation in throwing Evans under the bus and why Evans accepted his fate so meekly.
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One day, all this back ground stuff will come out.
 
Anything Beverly Knight says has to be taken with a grain of salt.

I will gladly say why.

This particular person has pretty much been outed as Caroline Wilson's chief "source" and her backgrounding to Caro about the goings-on at Essendon dates back as far as the move to oust Kevin Sheedy in 1998.

Very bitter woman.
 
As the matter draws to a close my overall feeling is this.

Hird and co rightly or wrongly believed every club was on the gear, and they were at a disadvantage.

They decided to close this gap by bringing in the staff who specialise in this kind of activity. Dank may have sold himself by suggesting others were on the gear, again rightly or wrongly.

The operation was undertaken under a veil of secrecy. What was actually happening at the direction of a select few and what was actually communicated to the rest of the club were two slightly different things. "Pushing it right to the edge" but really over the cliff.

It was sold to the players this way but also under the pretense it was top secret revolutionary program. Some probably guessed it was outside the rules, others probably just followed orders without giving much thought.

The most disgusting thing to me was the attempted cover up once the poo hit the fan. I think Evans was on a course to throw the club to the mercy of the AFL and get it over quickly with minimal cost as possible.

Where this went awry is the egos of Hird and Dank, and their band of followers blindly following them. They thought they could outsmart ASADA with the AFL holding their hand as they weren't interested in upholding integrity just cutting the loss.

Thankfully McDevitt arrived on the scene and upheld the sports integrity with his tenacity to see it out.

I have sympathy for the Essendon fans who understood what was happening. They didn't deserve this. But ultimately I feel the AFL punishment was light as was WADAs.

When you deny til you die, you should receive the standard 2 year punishment when found guilty. Backdated bans are rubbish.

The AFL punished Essendon for governance but are still yet to punish and amend records (including Brownlow) for the systematic drug regime they are now guilty of. I had high hopes for Gil but he is a just another Demetriou with a fresh face.
 
Lockyer24 said:
The AFL punished Essendon for governance but are still yet to punish and amend records (including Brownlow) for the systematic drug regime they are now guilty of. I had high hopes for Gil but he is a just another Demetriou with a fresh face.
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I've no issue with the AFL delaying this decision. It's best to wait until the appeal process has been exhausted. How awkward would it be to remove the Brownlow only to have to reinstate it following an, unlikely, appeal and re-hearing win...
 
Seadog said:
Interesting article quoting Beverley Knights in the age suggesting Evans and Robson were in it up to their eyeballs, Evans was impatient for a flag and then would take up his pre ordained place on the AFL commission. May be a clue as to why Hirdy had no hesitation in throwing Evans under the bus and why Evans accepted his fate so meekly.
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Just started a thread on this before read here. Cuz think it's worth its own thread.
 
pazza said:
Anything Beverly Knight says has to be taken with a grain of salt.

I will gladly say why.

This particular person has pretty much been outed as Caroline Wilson's chief "source" and her backgrounding to Caro about the goings-on at Essendon dates back as far as the move to oust Kevin Sheedy in 1998.

Very bitter woman.
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Just because she was a source for Caro doesn't mean her information was/is false. You sound a lot more bitter and twisted than she does.
 
Seadog said:
Just because she was a source for Caro doesn't mean her information was/is false. You sound a lot more bitter and twisted than she does.
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This is the thing though - it goes to the person's character..and the fact she has form in this area.

Over the last 20 years she has:

Been voted onto the Essendon board, purely based on her connections with Indigenous australians (she runs an indigenous art gallery);
Was part of a push in 1998 to oust Sheedy as coach, alnogside Alec Epis and blabbed about to the media (no prizes for guessing who she spoke to...);
Is largely dis-credited amongst all Essendon people because of the fact she does blab and white-ant;
Helped with the push to oust Sheedy in 2007;
Has provided Caro with many negative stories about Essendon even before Hird became coach;
And this stuff now in front of us.

As I said from the outset, take Knight's comments with a grain of salt. If the source was far more credible..as in Evans or Robson, then I would actually believe it.
 
pazza said:
This is the thing though - it goes to the person's character..and the fact she has form in this area.

Over the last 20 years she has:

Been voted onto the Essendon board, purely based on her connections with Indigenous australians (she runs an indigenous art gallery);
Was part of a push in 1998 to oust Sheedy as coach, alnogside Alec Epis and blabbed about to the media (no prizes for guessing who she spoke to...);
Is largely dis-credited amongst all Essendon people because of the fact she does blab and white-ant;
Helped with the push to oust Sheedy in 2007;
Has provided Caro with many negative stories about Essendon even before Hird became coach;
And this stuff now in front of us.

As I said from the outset, take Knight's comments with a grain of salt. If the source was far more credible..as in Evans or Robson, then I would actually believe it.
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But if another source said the same thing, wouldn't you just say they're a bitter individual who can't be trusted?

I see the pattern:
says something that is good toward Essendon, then the sun shines from their arse, and they shouldn't be fact checked because they're a good guy who would never lie, I mean, whey would they lie???
Says something bad toward Essendon, then a bitter individual, who everyone knows you can't trust. Wow, you must be an idiot if you trust what they say, they blab and white-ant to Caro!
 
pazza said:
This is the thing though - it goes to the person's character..and the fact she has form in this area.

Over the last 20 years she has:

Been voted onto the Essendon board, purely based on her connections with Indigenous australians (she runs an indigenous art gallery);
Was part of a push in 1998 to oust Sheedy as coach, alnogside Alec Epis and blabbed about to the media (no prizes for guessing who she spoke to...);
Is largely dis-credited amongst all Essendon people because of the fact she does blab and white-ant;
Helped with the push to oust Sheedy in 2007;
Has provided Caro with many negative stories about Essendon even before Hird became coach;
And this stuff now in front of us.

As I said from the outset, take Knight's comments with a grain of salt. If the source was far more credible..as in Evans or Robson, then I would actually believe it.
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A bit like Robinson being a disgruntled ex-employee just before * gave him a cool mill for nothing.
 
Seadog said:
Interesting article quoting Beverley Knights in the age suggesting Evans and Robson were in it up to their eyeballs, Evans was impatient for a flag and then would take up his pre ordained place on the AFL commission. May be a clue as to why Hirdy had no hesitation in throwing Evans under the bus and why Evans accepted his fate so meekly.
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less a clue and more an IMAX sized billboard with neon and flashing lights explaining it, I'd suggest.

As I've posted probably dozens of times. You can choose to see Hird as a ruthless, ice cold sociopath with a savage streak of megalomania who has no empathy or care for anyone, and has no qualms about doing anything including throwing even former close family friends under the bus to further his agenda if you like.

Problem is, it reads like fiction and it no doubt it is. It certainly doesn't gel with a person who has always received intense loyalty from people and who had the Essendon players strongly behind him right until the end under incredibly trying circumstances.

However if you introduce one teeny tiny fact like the one you've mentioned to the equation and all of a sudden you can start to describe reality without sounding like you're reading from the pages of an Ian Fleming novel.

To me it's obvious that Evans was one of the small circle of collaborators who was intimately involved in instigating whatever happened at Essendon, along with Hird and Danny Corcoran. They brought in Dank and Robinson and the rest is history. That's why, when Evans loyalty to the AFL boys club overrode his loyalty to James Hird, by bringing in Lukin and acting as an agent of Demetriou in an attempt to stage-manage the process and save the players by sacrificing certain figures, Hird decided he wasn't going to cop it.

Makes so much more sense than the idea that the dastardly Hird simply threw a poor, naive victim family friend Evans under the bus along with everyone else because he's an evil psychopath hell-bent on furthering his own interests at all cost.

However that characterisation felt so right for so many people who already had certain feelings and opinions on the situation. It felt so right for the people who had no problem viewing a complex scenario like this as an absurd reduction to a simple morality tale, because they yearn to have complex issues reduced to simple terms like black and white, good and bad, hero and villain - and cheats and righteous defenders of cheats.

It's the same reason Benny McDevitt gets both the devoted adulation and the vile scorn he receives from the respective extreme sides of the debate, neither of which is actually deserved in reality
 
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Lance Uppercut said:
less a clue and more an IMAX sized billboard with neon and flashing lights explaining it, I'd suggest.

As I've posted probably dozens of times. You can choose to see Hird as a ruthless, ice cold sociopath with a savage streak of megalomania who has no empathy or care for anyone, and has no qualms about doing anything including throwing even former close family friends under the bus to further his agenda if you like.

Problem is, it reads like fiction and it no doubt it is. It certainly doesn't gel with a person who has always received intense loyalty from people and who had the Essendon players strongly behind him right until the end under incredibly trying circumstances.

However if you introduce one teeny tiny fact like the one you've mentioned to the equation and all of a sudde
you can start to describe reality without sounding like you're reading from the pages of an Ian Fleming novel.

To me it's obvious that Evans was one of the small circle of collaborators who was intimately involved in instigating whatever happened at Essendon, along with Hird and Danny Corcoran. They brought in Dank and Robinson and the rest is history. That's why, when Evans loyalty to the AFL boys club overrode his loyalty to James Hird, by bringing in Lukin and acting as an agent of Demetriou in an attempt to stage-manage the process and save the players by sacrificing certain figures, Hird decided he wasn't going to cop it.

Makes so much more sense than the idea that the dastardly Hird simply threw a poor, naive victim family friend Evans under the bus along with everyone else because he's an evil psychopath hell-bent on furthering his own interests at all cost.

However that characterisation felt so right for so many people who already had certain feelings and opinions on the situation. It felt so right for the people who had no problem viewing a complex scenario like this as an absurd reduction to a simple morality tale, because they yearn to have complex issues reduced to simple terms like black and white, good and bad, hero and villain - and cheats and righteous defenders of cheats.

It's the same reason Benny McDevitt gets both the devoted adulation and the vile scorn he receives from the respective extreme sides of the debate, neither of which is actually deserved in reality
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I agree, the only thing that I, and I reckon a lot of AFL fans have a problem with, is that Hird initially took full responsibility. He then backtracked, tried to impede and stall the investigation at every turn. Whether he did this in collusion with the Essendon board, I dont know, but it does not put him in a good light.
That and the fact that he got a year off and a cool mill, while bomber copped a fine helped to set him up as a prime target.
Dont we love our tall poppies?

Edit oh yeah, and that "standbyhird" stuff was cringeworthy
 
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Mavis Darling said:
I agree, the only thing that I, and I reckon a lot of AFL fans have a problem with, is that Hird initially took full responsibility. He then backtracked, tried to impede and stall the investigation at every turn. Whether he did this in collusion with the Essendon board, I dont know, but it does not put him in a good light.
That and the fact that he got a year off and a cool mill, while bomber copped a fine helped to set him up as a prime target.
Dont we love our tall poppies?
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That whole presser was a disaster.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
you really are a lost ghost drifting through a wasteland of denial, perceived betrayal and referred pain aren't you?

You should not be enabled, at all. You need to understand you have lost any tenuous grip on reality you may have had, and you should seek professional help. I can only hope that you aren't infecting your son's life also with this pathetic victim mentality that you think helps you get through every day but that in fact poisons your life; but I am not confident of that at all given how you cannot view anything at all in terms other than an echo of your own paranoia. Very sad
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Lance, imho you are one of the better essendon supporters on this board, intelligent and not blinded by loyalty.

But again, imho the personal attack in that post is beneath you and this constant response is getting pretty tiresome.

Everyone who has been around here a while understands your view as they equally understand cylons view.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
less a clue and more an IMAX sized billboard with neon and flashing lights explaining it, I'd suggest.

As I've posted probably dozens of times. You can choose to see Hird as a ruthless, ice cold sociopath with a savage streak of megalomania who has no empathy or care for anyone, and has no qualms about doing anything including throwing even former close family friends under the bus to further his agenda if you like.

Problem is, it reads like fiction and it no doubt it is. It certainly doesn't gel with a person who has always received intense loyalty from people and who had the Essendon players strongly behind him right until the end under incredibly trying circumstances.

However if you introduce one teeny tiny fact like the one you've mentioned to the equation and all of a sudden you can start to describe reality without sounding like you're reading from the pages of an Ian Fleming novel.

To me it's obvious that Evans was one of the small circle of collaborators who was intimately involved in instigating whatever happened at Essendon, along with Hird and Danny Corcoran. They brought in Dank and Robinson and the rest is history. That's why, when Evans loyalty to the AFL boys club overrode his loyalty to James Hird, by bringing in Lukin and acting as an agent of Demetriou in an attempt to stage-manage the process and save the players by sacrificing certain figures, Hird decided he wasn't going to cop it.

Makes so much more sense than the idea that the dastardly Hird simply threw a poor, naive victim family friend Evans under the bus along with everyone else because he's an evil psychopath hell-bent on furthering his own interests at all cost.

However that characterisation felt so right for so many people who already had certain feelings and opinions on the situation. It felt so right for the people who had no problem viewing a complex scenario like this as an absurd reduction to a simple morality tale, because they yearn to have complex issues reduced to simple terms like black and white, good and bad, hero and villain - and cheats and righteous defenders of cheats.

It's the same reason Benny McDevitt gets both the devoted adulation and the vile scorn he receives from the respective extreme sides of the debate, neither of which is actually deserved in reality
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Hate to say it, but pretty good damn post. (damn it)
 
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