Rumour Bluemour Discussion thread

[thylacine60]

Their depth is so crazy that they have potential All-Australians outside of their current best 22.

One game last year they had 10 first rounders playing in their NEAFL side.

 

[thylacine60]

Garlett peaked early. It's clear that Sumner has mountains of potential yet to fulfill. As good as he's been for Melbourne's forward line Garlett hasn't sniffed the level of play he delivered in 2011 since.

he'll never again break more hearts with a single passage of play like he did to the tiges that time - or he did to us letting *etcher snare him the other time - those times probably won't be reached again by jeff

 

[dumb]

don't think we're looking to emulate guys like garlett or betts anymore with players like sumner. not about better or worse, even though garlett and betts can kick bags. we'll be expecting more midfield time out of lamb and sumner. less goals maybe, but a more all-round game with more time in the middle.
in any case, a small forward is something not too hard to land for cheaply in the draft or psd.

 

[skadoosh]

Guys, can I just say how impressed I have been with their 4 quarter efforts this year. That has been a major improvement.

From Dimpleton, India

 

[BlueGum]

Yep, makes me smile

 

[mediumsizered]

Let's not re-write the Eddie/Jeffy/Yaz history at Carlton. There were plenty of games when they just didn't show.

Particularly against the competition's better teams.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Particularly against the competition's better teams.

Very sour.

 

[passmark]

How'd the rest of the team go against the better teams.

 

[ODNBlue]

I think we want Tomlinson.

 

[Dramoth]

The more I think about it I really don't see how we can have another deep cull of the list, my guess would be 6 players this year and 6 players next, that would pretty much see the deadwood as you say trimmed off.

My guess is,

Jamo retires
Gorringe Chopped (just isn't afl material)
Clem Chopped ( 5 minutes here n there isn't enough he's had plenty of time)
Foster chopped (can't see him translating his game into afl standard)
Whiley chopped (maybe rookie listed)
Wood chopped (pun not intended, isn't the future we need a another young ruckman developing and under Fraser Kruez and Phillips should be in good hands)

I've left for mine, the players who are making an impact at reserves level to a certain degree and who will also sustain a level of competitiveness in the 2s, Tutt, Graham, Gowers (few green shoots of late) Sheehan (deserves a full run at it but probably his last crack) DVR (on potential I think he will be a late bloomer) Galluci (deserves a full run at it and also scores goals which wins you games which we need to bloody do).

Next year if those guys aren't performing then they will come under the microscope and could very well be chopped all bar probably Graham for me. So there's your 6/ (5) or 6 Cut in a measured sense I think if we send the broom through to swiftly we will ruin the development of the kids in the ressies and do more harm than good.

Onto the trades,

It looks like a year where the expansion clubs are pretty set for picks and some clever trading and persuading is going to be needed. The talent carcass that is GWS is and always will seem to be ripe for the picking, it's well documented that Tomlinson Marchbank are on the radar and with Sheiks statement could possibly be a deal with some momentum behind it. Having said that we had Boyd locked in and that went, well just peachy!

I've had a quick scan over the GWS list and GC, GC have no where near the list GWS has and tbh JOM Swallow Thompson Lynch are the only 4 that stand out but would cost a fortune. Their depth players or fringe players don't really blow my hair back and tbh unless something considerably favourable came our way for swallow or JOM then I'd put a line through GC this trade period.

Onto GWS where it seems everyone has a draft drawing board set up with multiple trade scenarios. If we only cut the 6 players this year I can see a few measured trades being done.

I really see SOS having a great relationship with the majority or list managers so with the new look GWS team lets hope for a repeat trade period with them.

So let's say Tomlinson and Marchbank choose us ($$), I'd float this to GWS, another bundle trade,

As a good faith trade let us upgrade our 2nd and 2x3rd rounders for your pick 12-14

Giving us pick 4-6 and pick 12-14

Now give them our 1st and 3rd next year for Tomlinson Marchbank Ahern and either Batter or Steele.

The talent outweighs the 4 we got this year but the picks counter that, our 1st is higher than the Geelongs pick we ontraded and the 3rd is lower than the 28 we gave them. GWS trim the list, open up cap space and secure points for 2017 in 1 trade.

We lose 2016 2nd, 2x3rd round picks 2017 1st and 3rd rnd picks.

We gain 2016 1st rnd pick Tomlinson, Marchbank, Ahern, Batter/Steele

Apart from another bundle trade I'd love to know people's thoughts on how exactly we add surplus quality to the list? A 1st round pick each year from now on isn't going to cut the mustard.

One slight problem with that...

If you trade your first round pick for the following year, you can't trade any other future picks.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

I think we want Tomlinson.

To play where?

 

[ODNBlue]

To play where?

I don't care where he plays for us, as long as he plays for us.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

There's always something shiny and better.

 

[Navara79]

I don't care where he plays for us, as long as he plays for us.

Kramer St?

 

[HBF]

That's the kicker isn't it. We get something for our trouble like the Menzel trade and things seem a little easier to swallow. Helps he has barely kicked a ball in anger there yet.

Really can't see him getting a game with the crows given their current forward line and how it's functioning.

 

[Wickzki]

I think we want Tomlinson.

Yo, I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want,
So tell me what you want, what you really really want,
I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want,
So tell me what you want, what you really really want,
I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna really really really wanna Tomlinson ha.

 

[Wickzki]

Really can't see him getting a game with the crows given their current forward line and how it's functioning.

I keep reading that they (their fans) believe he'll be a champion midfielder for them by the end of the year and if not it'll be next year.

Makes me wonder where I've heard that before.

 

[HBF]

Sumner will finish his career a more accomplished Carlton Player than Garlett, I will take that every day of the week..

Sumner is getting better the more games he plays.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Sumner is getting better the more games he plays.

22 year old, injury ridden, chubby kid carrying puppy fat......or

Sublime, dual side player, with goal sense and tackling.

Not sure he's mid ready, but certainly has the tools.

 

[Dominator_7]

Are people still wishing we had Jeffy G forgetting the bucket loads of sulking, disappearance acts when the going got tough, contest shirking and off field issues we copped from him ?

 

[passmark]

Sumners got moxie.

 

[Weiterbot23]

Tomlinson please

 

[Blue and Silver]

Are people still wishing we had Jeffy G forgetting the bucket loads of sulking, disappearance acts when the going got tough, contest shirking and off field issues we copped from him ?

No, I just remember a high-production small forward unfairly maligned at times, although lacking application and a real hard edge

 

[Lace_Out]

Lacking the application and hard edge that he will never have....Which Sumner already posseses..

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[Murphkreuzmitch]

Sumner is getting better the more games he plays.

Certainly is, has a lot of tools and is not afraid of the contest. Gives a versatility to the side small forwards haven't been able to give in the past. Slowly feed him midfield minutes and the fitness base will come..