Analysis The Matt Taberner effect
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Pav all over again lol. Guy got about 1 in 10 frees paid and then got the real bulshit ones paid against him
What stats show the opposite? A simple contested mark per game stat doesn't prove whether or not you're good at actually holding the ball. If you take 2 contested marks when you've had a reasonable chance to take 20 then that clearly doesn't say much for your marking ability.
Tomorrow, count the number of times Tabs gets clean hands to a ball in a contested marking situation. He's bloody brilliant at it. What he's ordinary at is actually clutching the ball once it hits his hands. He does it now and then, hence why he usually takes a couple of CMs per game. But that doesn't prove he's a good mark.
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and you don't think that's the case for most forwards?
Do you think Franklin/Kennedy/Dixon/Walker get more opportunities to take a contested mark than Tabs or less?
All these forwards below will be getting more balls delivered in their direction than Tabs yet they have less contested marks on average.
Kennedy
Riewoldt x2
Dixon
Waite
Franklin
Walker
Bruce
No player clunks them all. Tabs for the most part now either wins it or stops the opposition from getting a mark and creates a loose ball.
I'm not questioning his worth to the team by any stretch, just saying he is elite at actually getting clean hands to the ball in a marking contest (as good as anyone going around IMO) but is still relatively s**t at catching the ball.
But i'm not going to compare him to most in that list. There's a lot more to being a good key forward than just clunking marks. Tabs agility could do with some improvement for example.
I've got bugger all to criticise about the rate of his development; as a rookie selection I'm very happy with the way he's tracking and have zero doubt that if he manages to continue this way we'll have snookered a serious KPF bargain.
His entire game is improving at a very acceptable rate.
If his development somehow stalls we'll still have a very serviceable tall.
His entire game is improving at a very acceptable rate.
If his development somehow stalls we'll still have a very serviceable tall.
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Rookie list i consider Tab a bargain, will definetely not rate him as highly as other. Hope our trend continue with nyhuis and uber and a few rookie this year. A fit and firing fyfe will be the filling gap for pav.
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Seriously?
He's Freo's leading contested mark by a long way. Thats the stat that says he's a good mark.
If he was a bad mark, he simply wouldn't be taking so many. As for your scenario of having a chance at 20, that only shows you don't watch many games. Most of the ball going into the forward 50 goes to Pav not Tabs yet Tabs is well in front on the marking stats. What you're actually saying here is Pav is a poor mark not Tabs....and you'd be flat wrong again.
You do not get to be the best contested mark in the side because your crap at marking. Its a fairly simple concept unless you are wanting to push a dead argument
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I swear to god he never gets any frees and could easily get at least 3 a game given the amount of times he gets his arms chopped. Ridiculous.
Umps have decided he's Pav's understudy.
My scenario? It was a hypothetical to show that one stat - being contested marks per game - isn't irrefutable proof of anything.
Must have imagined all those marks he drops where he does 90% of the work and simply doesn't hang on to the ball.
It was a hypothetical that is demonstrably incorrect. All you have to do is watch a few games. He gets much less ball his way because our midfield concentrates on Pav, yet Tabs is our leading contested mark. Ok from far fewer opportunities. So, there goes your hypothetical.
I compare him to Pav because he's one of the best marks in our team and Tabs stacks up pretty well. As others have correctly pointed out, if he got the umpires to apply the rules to him that they apply to other bigger name players, he'd be getting a lot more frees for the arm chops that are reducing his marking stats.
Anyway, lets get down to tin tacks. I've shown you stats that refute what you are saying and you reply with hypotheticals. Show me the stats for dropped marks, those with no interference like arm chops or head high hits
So because a statistic isn't taken, it therefore doesn't exist? Really?
No, its pointing out how your argument has no substance.
You ignore the facts you don't like my making up hypotheticals to try and suggest they have no meaning but have no g=factual material to support your absurd contention. Forget your stupid hypotheticals. Show facts or bugger off back to the eagles
You see, I actually watch the games.
And 'bugger off back to the eagles'? Where dafuqq did that come from?
Put up facts? It's an opinion based on watching the game. There is no stat (that i'm aware of) that demonstrates ability to outmaneuver opponents but not quite complete the mark. Consequently I can't provide one. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Are you the sort of person that determines the worth of players purely based on supercoach scores?
Eh? I rate Tabs pretty highly, and have said so many times in this thread. And you reckon i'm making s**t up?
Pull your head in.
Whatever you reckon sunshine.
Zac Dawson led our DE one year. With facts like that, what a champion kick he must be.
Now I know how you two have almost 30,000 posts between you.
I'm out. Talking to a wall would give better results
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