Analysis 2016 List Management Discussion

[HereComesJuddy]

Gibbs is good one game and average the next.
The guy doesn't even put on a Sheppard, yet people think if we traded him it would have a catastrophic effect on our club.

Gibbs traded to Adelaide for brad Crouch and a their 2Nd round pick (34?)

Murphy returns next year. Surely we are in a better situation just there...

Trade Cas to anyone for pick 30.
Trade dre and our dogs third to the Suns for pick 23.
Trade Tuohy to Sydney for Mitchell.
Send our pick 22, 23, 30 and 34 to Gws for Marchbank, WHE, Tomlinson, Steele, Stewart.
Use pick 4 in the draft. Get best mid available!

Out: Gibbs, Tuohy, Cas, dre, pick 22, dogs third pick
In: Crouch, Mitchell, Marchbank, WHE, Steele, Tomlinson, Stewart.
Keep: pick 4

If we took best mid at 4 and added Crouch, Mitchell, WHE, Steele and to an extent Tomlinson to our midfield rotations, we would be much better off.
Plus Murphy comes back.

Midfield would consist of:
Murphy
Cripps
Crouch
Mitchell
Steele
WHE
Curnow
And others. Great starting midfield!

Forward line would have:
Tomlinson
Stewart
McKay
SOJ
Curnow
And I'm tempted to say Weitering would play here more than this year with the addition of Marchbank

Young, but exciting and would get better delivery than what our forwards are this year with an improved midfield.

I doubt Gibbs will be traded, but I see huge benefits going forward for our club if he was.

 

[mattymac]

Gibbs is good one game and average the next.
The guy doesn't even put on a Sheppard, yet people think if we traded him it would have a catastrophic effect on our club.

Gibbs traded to Adelaide for brad Crouch and a their 2Nd round pick (34?)

Murphy returns next year. Surely we are in a better situation just there...

Trade Cas to anyone for pick 30.
Trade dre and our dogs third to the Suns for pick 23.
Trade Tuohy to Sydney for Mitchell.
Send our pick 22, 23, 30 and 34 to Gws for Marchbank, WHE, Tomlinson, Steele, Stewart.
Use pick 4 in the draft. Get best mid available!

Out: Gibbs, Tuohy, Cas, dre, pick 22, dogs third pick
In: Crouch, Mitchell, Marchbank, WHE, Steele, Tomlinson, Stewart.
Keep: pick 4

If we took best mid at 4 and added Crouch, Mitchell, WHE, Steele and to an extent Tomlinson to our midfield rotations, we would be much better off.
Plus Murphy comes back.

Midfield would consist of:
Murphy
Cripps
Crouch
Mitchell
Steele
WHE
Curnow
And others. Great starting midfield!

Forward line would have:
Tomlinson
Stewart
McKay
SOJ
Curnow
And I'm tempted to say Weitering would play here more than this year with the addition of Marchbank

Young, but exciting and would get better delivery than what our forwards are this year with an improved midfield.

I doubt Gibbs will be traded, but I see huge benefits going forward for our club if he was.

You say he's no good then you ask for Brouch and a second rounder for him

 

[Tambourine]

Gibbs is good one game and average the next.
The guy doesn't even put on a Sheppard, yet people think if we traded him it would have a catastrophic effect on our club.

Gibbs traded to Adelaide for brad Crouch and a their 2Nd round pick (34?)

Murphy returns next year. Surely we are in a better situation just there...

Trade Cas to anyone for pick 30.
Trade dre and our dogs third to the Suns for pick 23.
Trade Tuohy to Sydney for Mitchell.
Send our pick 22, 23, 30 and 34 to Gws for Marchbank, WHE, Tomlinson, Steele, Stewart.
Use pick 4 in the draft. Get best mid available!

Out: Gibbs, Tuohy, Cas, dre, pick 22, dogs third pick
In: Crouch, Mitchell, Marchbank, WHE, Steele, Tomlinson, Stewart.
Keep: pick 4

If we took best mid at 4 and added Crouch, Mitchell, WHE, Steele and to an extent Tomlinson to our midfield rotations, we would be much better off.
Plus Murphy comes back.

Midfield would consist of:
Murphy
Cripps
Crouch
Mitchell
Steele
WHE
Curnow
And others. Great starting midfield!

Forward line would have:
Tomlinson
Stewart
McKay
SOJ
Curnow
And I'm tempted to say Weitering would play here more than this year with the addition of Marchbank

Young, but exciting and would get better delivery than what our forwards are this year with an improved midfield.

I doubt Gibbs will be traded, but I see huge benefits going forward for our club if he was.

You make a compelling case for trading gibbs, tuohy, dre and levi. If we can get this deal done or parts of it done, the future is looking very bright. We definitely need to add at least one of the quality free mids this year, imo.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I doubt Gibbs will be traded, but I see huge benefits going forward for our club if he was.

This is spot on! If we were to offload Gibbs now while he still has value, the return will be more beneficial for our future.

He's done his part for us, it hasn't worked out, see if he can find success with Adelaide and give our long term rebuild a bit of a boost.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

You say he's no good then you ask for Brouch and a second rounder for him

Gibbs will be better with more support around him. If he's in a good team, he will be more productive. With Murphy out, he was the number 1 focus of opposition sides and they were able to keep him mostly quiet compared to when Murphy was in.

 

[Iamcarlton]

Gibbs will be better with more support around him. If he's in a good team, he will be more productive. With Murphy out, he was the number 1 focus of opposition sides and they were able to keep him mostly quiet compared to when Murphy was in.

Think thats underselling gibbs a little here hes still been pretty dam good overall since murphys been out which is quite awhile now ? Gibbs am i right in saying has had a or near to a career best year? the last 3 games may decide that although if he does or doesnt finish off well .

 

[ferrisb]

You say he's no good then you ask for Brouch and a second rounder for him

We might have budged on our steak knife proposal, maybe downgrading it to a fourth rounder. But then you called your player Brouch.

So the price went up...

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

You are my man Malifice

Could not agree more.

For me it is a simple decision.

Do we want to be like NM or the Tigers and be mid table for 6 years.

Or slowly rebuild with depth of enough quality young players to have a realistic chance at a flag?

Hawthorn are on top of the ladder because they're a fantastic organization from top to bottom and we are not.. you're simplifying the salient

 

[Funk]

You say he's no good then you ask for Brouch and a second rounder for him

He's definitely better than Menzel.

 

[Funk]

Hawthorn are on top of the ladder because they're a fantastic organization from top to bottom and we are not.. you're simplifying the salient

And other than the obvious fact that all aspects of our club need to significantly improve - your point is?

 

[Coops93]

Gibbs traded to Adelaide for brad Crouch and a their 2Nd round pick (34?)

Gibbs for Brad Crouch AND a 2nd rounder?

We'd struggle to get Crouch in a straight swap with Gibbs and we'd likely be the ones throwing in a draft pick sweetener. Probably a 2nd/3rd. I think you're heavily underestimating the quality of talent there.

I'd love it to happen, but it won't.

 

[LanceRomance]

What makes crouch so special?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

And other than the obvious fact that all aspects of our club need to significantly improve - your point is?

Sounds like the point is 'can't win, dont try'.

 

[Coops93]

Gibbs is quite undervalued in general by us. He had another 8 score involvements on the weekend and kicked one. He's still having an impact. Sure it isn't as explosive as Dangerfield or as clinical as Pendlebury, but he has had quite a good year in a pretty baron midfield. His quality can go unnoticed and unappreciated.

He can go missing to be sure, but it's not as though he's played 9 good games and 9 bad ones. Probably 14-5 in a team without much help for him. Pretty good going I'd say.

 

[Coops93]

What makes crouch so special?

He's not shown it much yet due to a few injuries and subsequent management by the Crows, but he is a freak athlete. He was originally viewed to slot straight into Dangerfields spot in the midfield and they wouldn't lose much. Picked up an early injury so that didn't happen. But shows the regard the crows have in him. Tbf the last few weeks he has started to play the quality they were hoping for at the start of the season.

 

[Prem17]

I think that Gibbs has done alright this year, all things considered but I still think it is time to look at what we could get as a trade.
If we think that the pick offered will get us a quality young player that will give us 10 years of service, then we need to do the deal. If the offers aren't weighted in our favour then we keep him.
If we could get Crouch or a top 20 pick, then we would be crazy not to do the deal.
Remember that we might be able to package the pick up to get us either a pick upgrade or another player as well.

BTW - those continually whinging about our poor trading history need to consider 2 points;
1) Chris Yarran - 0 games in 2016
2) Troy Menzel - 0 games in 2016

 

[slashin_velvet]

What makes crouch so special?

He was a mini draft pick, so taken at 17 a la hogan and omeara. We just haven't heard about him like the others as he's played in a more competent side in a state that doesn't get a tonne of Melbourne coverage.

Could be a gun if he gets his body right.

 

[CFC_#17]

Gibbs for Brad Crouch AND a 2nd rounder?

We'd struggle to get Crouch in a straight swap with Gibbs and we'd likely be the ones throwing in a draft pick sweetener. Probably a 2nd/3rd. I think you're heavily underestimating the quality of talent there.

I'd love it to happen, but it won't.

If Brad crouch was contracted nobody would want him, he's been in and out of the crows side and probably there 6th best midfielder this year yet he is more valuable then Gibbs who gets tagged.

 

[Iamcarlton]

I've got a different take on it.

How many players from our team on the weekend would get a game in the top 8 sides?

I'd say definitely;
Gibbs
Cripps
Simmo
Doc
Touhy

Possibly;
Weitering
Plowman
Kruezer ( maybe Bulldogs )
Curnow

Not yet, but would in the next year or 2;
Sos
Phillips

At a real stretch;
Casboult ( only if someone could fix his kicking )

NO ;
Kerridge
Wright
Graham
Boekhurst
Thomas
Rowe
White
Walker (ret)
Armfield
Buckley

So in summary I reckon we are at least 8 - 10 players away from even challenging for the top.

Murphy if fit would be in the definites
Byrne if fit in the possibles
Curnow if fit in the not yets

A lot of people are also discounting some players we already have on our list because they are not bona-fide stars already or best 22 right now . Laugh if you wish but if our coach and his assistants together with natural improvement , can see players such as boekhorst buckley mckay glass-mccasker cunninham sumner viojo- rainbow not on your definately list push up into best 22 things are looking a lot better . Now i realise some or most of them may not but best case scenario mckay glass-mccasker cunningham sumner and 1 of buckley boeky or rainbow do theres an extra 5 in your definate list and their all young . Have a blinder at this years trade and draft table using Herecomesjuddy scenario which btw we should all hail sos and erect a statue of him in front of all our homes if that happened . Which would again add much needed depth and quality through mitchell crouch and marchbank of which i think crouch and marchbank could be stars .And depth in tomlinson WHE and stewart who all 3 have more improvement in them and certainly can atleast be in the bottom 6 of our best 22 . And also more importantly are all young . So thats now 11 players that have pushed up into best 22 . Bearing in mind gibbs tuohy and possibly cas are out of the best 22 we now have in my wildest dreams 20 that i mount a case are best 22 by say the end of next year . We are now just a couple of bonafide stars and 3 or 4 depth or bottom end best 22 players away from being much more than competitive imo . Which can be added through the draft and possibly FA over the next couple of years . My point in all my hoo ha best case scenario and what most of you will think your dreaming is we can get there quicker than one thinks without compromising our rebuild . Some people and they may well be right think its going to take 20 players of which none of them we have now and 6 drafts to get ourselves to a level of quality to realistically compete for a flag . Im saying im more than confident in bolts sos and co to deliver a very good side sooner rather than later . And i havent taken into accont any players from this year draft .

 

[slashin_velvet]

If Brad crouch was contracted nobody would want him, he's been in and out of the crows side and probably there 6th best midfielder this year yet he is more valuable then Gibbs who gets tagged.

Gibbs was in and out of our side last year. Injuries seem to have that effect....

 

[Iamcarlton]

If Brad crouch was contracted nobody would want him, he's been in and out of the crows side and probably there 6th best midfielder this year yet he is more valuable then Gibbs who gets tagged.

Crouch has been in and out of their side due to injury . Hes a potential star and will be just as good as gibbs and at 22 yrs of age .

 

[inyourcool]

I think trading a player like Gibbs will only get us unders. He hasn't stood out enough to warrant a super trade in return and as a result would be of greater value to us as we build a new midfield group

Keep (if at all possible)

 

[LanceRomance]

Crouch has been in and out of their side due to injury . Hes a potential star and will be just as good as gibbs and at 22 yrs of age .

Potential is good but output is better.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

You say he's no good then you ask for Brouch and a second rounder for him

I never said he was no good. He's a great player, just believe he's been in our system too long.

 

[Coops93]

Potential is good but output is better.

In 3 seasons of footy averaging 24 disposals a game and 5-6 tackles and around 5 clearances a game seems pretty good output when in and out due to injury tbf.