Rumour Bluemour Discussion thread - The sequel - I know what SOS did last Sumner

[Sharks On A Plane]

Agree partially, but as Touhy isn't a Free Agent, unsure how we can get adequate compo for him, yes we can let him walk to the Draft, but we still lose him for zip.

SOS wouldn't be letting him go if something good wasn't coming back our way, it's all part of the plan.

 

[The Toad]

I agree we were blindsided by Gibbs treachery, but I'm sure the boys will be working the bums off to come up with something that will get us what we deserve, if not,

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[Navara79]

Very good mail from a member in the carltonians.

Kreuzer is next up for trade.Tigers circuling.Good relationship with Cotchin.

Ahh the annual Kruezer being good mates with Cotchin trade....

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Did you see what McKay said? They might have been thinking it was a possibility, but it's pretty obvious the whole thing wasn't part of what Carlton has been planning.

Well McKay isn't gonna come out and say "oh yessss, Gibbs is leaving, the master plan is coming together!"

 

[hobrien]

Gibbs and 24 for Adelaides 1st this year and next.

I like that! #13 this year & #13-16 next year. Maybe even on-trade that 2017 pickto GC for #8 this year?

 

[Mr_Plow]

I'm emotionless about this trading thing now.

Just do what you have to do SOS.

Nuke the team, start again, no worries, no half-measures.

 

[I AM CARLTON]

Very good mail from a member in the carltonians.

Kreuzer is next up for trade.Tigers circuling.Good relationship with Cotchin.

Happy to take the tigers first pick of 2017 they will finish bottom 6 so that works well

 

[Chalky Blues]

Very good mail from a member in the carltonians.

Kreuzer is next up for trade.Tigers circuling.Good relationship with Cotchin.

Straight swap for Prestia??

 

[lukep_86]

They're denying everything and that no big names are up on offer and theyre still getting JOM and Mitch, how does thst work???

No idea..they'll have to give up something very good to get those two so something's gotta give.

 

[Funk]

Obviously trade their no.1 picks. Lucky Murphy is captain but watch this space re: Kruezer. So obvious. Weitering and Cripps will be asking for a trade within 5 years. Bookmark it.

You still haven't answered the question.

What would you do to get a list capable of making top 4????

 

[chunkylover53]

This whole thing reminds of Griffen to GWS and I ****ing love it.


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[I AM CARLTON]

Gibbs and 24 for Adelaides 1st this year and next.

Yep keen

 

[Navara79]

I'm emotionless about this trading thing now.

Just do what you have to do SOS.

Nuke the team, start again, no worries, no half-measures.

SOS had a pretty good start during last seasons trade/draft period. I believe he's doing a good job so far. It could turn out to be a great job by end of this year's draft

 

[PP34]

You need to realistic about how bad our list was last year. We had no depth and no youth. What SOS had done in two drafts is completely build a defense. Something we haven't had since SOS was at full back.
We all want quick success but we are building a foundation for sustained success.

Docherty wasn't a SOS move, and it's going to be very hard to replace what Simpson does in that backline. I agree the backline has been strengthened in a major way, but we are truly deplorable in the most important area of the ground, the midfield. Losing Gibbs for little would be a huge loss, and the way I see it, I don't see how we don't end up in a bad trade with Adelaide, unless they happen to pay overs. Are we really going to want Gibbs here at Carlton after he has demanded a trade?

Forward line remains a joke too. Of course, you can't completely rebuild a club in a few years, but that's beside the point. Far too many on here are quick to brand SOS the "saviour" for his moves so far, which is completely ridiculous, particularly when his role up in GWS was made significantly easier by the concessions, so it's much harder to rate him as a list manager.

Losing Gibbs is a backwards step for the club. I'm not willing to accept that it can be anything more that that, unless we end up with some ridiculous haul for him, which won't be the case. Unless we strike gold and find another Cripps (you typically don't find players like that each year at 13), we're losing a gun midfielder with decent leadership abilities, something we desperately lack and need at the club right now. Murphy has proven the past few years that he isn't a great leader (he tries, but he just isn't suited) and he keeps missing games.

Leaving a young Cripps to shoulder the load in the midfield is very Melbourne 2009/10 like, and I don't like it at all. Any delay in the rebuild also only creates great potential for young guns to leave, disillusioned by the way things are travelling.

 

[Malifice]

I like that! #13 this year & #13-16 next year. Maybe even on-trade that 2017 pickto GC for #8 this year?

I'm thinking we trade 13 to GWS for Marchbank and co.

Take 5 to the draft this year and reload next year with 2 x 1st rounders.

 

[BlueTongue]

SOS wouldn't be letting him go if something good wasn't coming back our way, it's all part of the plan.

He doesn't have a choice. We are at the mercy of what Geelong give us, Ala Sauce Jacobs & Adelaide.

 

[SBYM]

Open your eyes.

Sos and bolts are building for 3-5 years time.

I'm a huge fan of trading Gibbs and Zach.

If they want out, they want out.

Both are contracted. We will clean up. End of.

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

He doesn't have a choice. We are at the mercy of what Geelong give us, Ala Sauce Jacobs & Adelaide.

I'm saying that SOS wouldn't have low-balled Tuohy's contract if things weren't already in place. We would have signed up Tuohy for sure if we didn't think the return on him was more valuable.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Ahh the annual Kruezer being good mates with Cotchin trade....

Didn't you say the same thing about trading Gibbs???

 

[Cripps17]

Gibbs and 24 for Adelaides 1st this year and next.

Wait 12 months for perhaps a 6 pick upgrade? I'd rather bank a second rounder and 12 months development this year if we're going that route.

 

[PP34]

Well McKay isn't gonna come out and say "oh yessss, Gibbs is leaving, the master plan is coming together!"

Never said that. Don't even know how you think I was implying that.

Normally guys like McKay don't mention being surprised by what a player has demanded, unless the player has genuinely blindsided the club.

 

[Big Sim is Back]

What's that old saying about someone who knows the price of everything but the value of nothing? Picks and points are a price, the myriad traits of a player the value. you build a team out of players, not points.

 

[lopezz]

McGovern or Matt Crouch plus 13 or GGF!

 

[PP34]

This whole thing reminds of Griffen to GWS and I ******* love it.


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We're not even close to what the Bulldogs of 2014 were as a list.

Don't know how you can even draw that comparison.

Griffen leaving for GWS really was overrated at the time, people were just getting hysterical because the Dogs had a decent list and in a period where they needed to add something to go to the next level they lost their captain and coach.

 

[Malifice]

Wait 12 months for perhaps a 6 pick upgrade? I'd rather bank a second rounder and 12 months development this year if we're going that route.

It gives us the currency to use pick 13 this year on the GWS boys, retain pick 5, and hit next years draft with 2 x 1st rounders.