2016 Draft discussion

[braddsey]

Does anyone know, now that you can't carry additional picks into the draft what happens to the points value of picks that are 'moved forward' by those unused picks being discounted from the draft
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Or does it stay 'pick 78' and pointless?

It gets moved up still.

How about a pass? I wouldn't expect too many, but if a couple of clubs pass to hold a spot open for PSD or to sign a delisted FA, does the pass remain a the pick position?

 

[Skoob]

Interesting situation:

If we do go into deficit to take Allison and/or Watson after a bid in the 3rd or 4th rounds, what happens? Remember Collingwood owns our picks in those two rounds.

• It gets taken off our original 3rd or 4th rounder and Collingwood gets screwed (a little).
• It gets taken off our first round pick.
• It gets taken off our next available pick that is actually assigned to us (fifth rounder, which might not be worth any points).
• It gets taken off our next available pick (Collingwood's fourth rounder).
• Other

Can't see that it comes off traded picks. They're not ours to manipulate or tamper with.
The "Other" category is worth investigating. I think it entirely possible that if a deficit would normally come off your 3rd & 4th and you don't have one of those, then maybe you simply don't get the option of going into debt. I mean, you can't borrow from the bank against your house if you don't have a house.

 

[13Beast]

I've not watched any of Sam Pepper-Powell but reading up on him I like the sound of him. Would he be an option at 16 or 21?

He played a bit off half back as a bottom ager in the champs I recall, so can play in the middle, up forward and down back as well. Wouldn't be a bad pickup and definitely is tough as nails. But...would he get past Freo and WCE?

 

[Biggies]

If Essendon go McGrath which is a fair chance I just can't for the life of me see GWS taking McCluggage. They don't need another midfielder surely? Ainsworth just fits into their line up so well from my perspective and I can definitely see them taking him at number 2. Leaving McCluggage for us.

Would be a great draft if we land him alone given he has had statistically one of the best draft years in a while. Probably won't be the best to come out of the draft but should still be a solid 150 gamer at least.

I'm still intrigued by Schwabs comments on hoping McCLuggage slips through to 3. He also made a comment on TR about knowing what GWS plan to do in the draft (but no idea what Essendon are doing). Putting 2 and 2 together here's how I see it.

GWS want Mcgrath (thats obvious) and are hoping like hell Essendon pass on him. If Essendon take McCLuggage, GWS get their man we take next best (Brodie/Ainsworth etc). All g.

But if Essendon take McGrath, maybe we just might have a handshake agreement with GWS (part of the trade) that will see them take an Ainsworth type player (as that role probably fills a more pressing need to them then another mid) leaving McCluggage for Brisbane town. Bam!

Or probably more likely, I'm reading too much into Schwabs comments, GWS just take McCluggage, and we just get the third best player in both cases. So in that case.......ignore my post. It's wine Thursdays.

 

[Royboys44]

I know we must take the best talent available but we surely have to take homegrown talent too! I can't see how we take Allison or Watson in this draft unless rookied! Surely we won't use picks 21 and 22 on them???

 

[braddsey]

Right you are. Still, little Victorian representation in 1st round.

It will be a self-fulfilling cycle. GWS/GC/Brisbane recruit the top picks. 2 years later, they want to go home so get traded for top picks... and on it goes.

 

[Skoob]

I know we must take the best talent available but we surely have to take homegrown talent too! I can't see how we take Allison or Watson in this draft unless rookied! Surely we won't use picks 21 and 22 on them???

I have long said that although local recruitment is important, it can't overrule best available or needs based recruiting. Allison and Watson are long shots as far as being long term AFL standard players. If we have only 5 spots then we only have 5 spots. We can't just take academy players every year for the sake of getting Queenslanders into the side. If they're not as good as other options for the picks and spots we have, then that's a shame and we'll wait for better players to come through.

 

[Maverick]

Am I right to say that if either Allison or Watson are bid on/after pick 56 that with the discount it will cost us nothing and that we can simply use picks 76 and 78?

Also, if say Allison is bid at pick 41 by Ess, and our deficit is 215 points, how do we pay for this next year?
215 point equates to pick 54

If our deficit is 215 points under your scenario, points carry to next year. If we had pick 1 next year, this carries 3000 points. Pick 2 carries 2517 points, 483 less. As 215 is less than 483 we do not move back, and keep pick 1.

 

[captainrich]

Media reports could just be wrong and GWS don't want mcgrath at all....theyre well covered with guys like Nathan Wilson, Matt Buntine, Heath Shaw (at least for another two years) and Zac Williams

if anything they could be looking for some xfactor talent in Ainsworth or Taranto, or a big bodied mid in Brodie which they do not have at the moment, an enforcer type in the middle with the club being heavily reliant on Mumford still

 

[blueiris]

I'm hoping that McLuggage is available at 3 if not I think we should draft one of

Ben Ainsworth or Tim Taranto at 3
Will Brodie doesn't exactly excite me we have inside midfielders with Rocky Beams Zorko and Robinson not mention we pick up 2 last year in Rhys Beastmode Mathieson and Ben Keays

 

[Flea_29]

Just looking at the Indicator Draft Order, I noticed that GWS have the following picks: 2, 15, 37, 39, 45, 52, 55, 57, 58, 59, 60, 77, 109 in the first 6 rounds.
One would assume that even if they were to use the first 6 picks (2 - 52), that there would be 5 picks (55, 57, 58, 59 & 60) that they will not use.
Which already means that our pick 76 becomes 71.

Furthermore, Carlton have picks 5, 25, 48, 63, 66 & 70 - and with the many players they have traded in, one would think that picks 66 and 70 would not be used.
That would mean that our 76 pick -> 71 pick now becomes, pick 69.

FYI, Hawthorn's first pick is 88

 

[winged1]

We need outside run and goal scoring ability. If we got clugga or Ainsworth I'm happy

 

[lionsbest]

Not saying these are my choices but:

Pick 3: Brodie
Pick 16: Simpkin
Pick 21: Witherden
Pick 22: Cox

Would you be happy with that!

I would do

MCCluggage or if mcc is gone SPS @ 3
Logue @ 16
Bolton @ 21
C Cox @ 22

 

[Milk Steak]

I have long said that although local recruitment is important, it can't overrule best available or needs based recruiting. Allison and Watson are long shots as far as being long term AFL standard players. If we have only 5 spots then we only have 5 spots. We can't just take academy players every year for the sake of getting Queenslanders into the side. If they're not as good as other options for the picks and spots we have, then that's a shame and we'll wait for better players to come through.

Agree. There seems to be a slight obsession with academy players. The academy should utilised by us if there happens to be exceptional talent available or a QLD player that we view as better than the next player available. We'll be bound to mediocrity if our main criteria is home grown talent. It's not like we're losing interstate players like crazy. Take out the "GH5" and it really hasn't been any worse than most sides in the AFL.

 

[HowYouDoin]

Can only imagine the Gun player we will pick up with pick 78

 

[briztoon]

Would any of the draft experts support drafting English with one of our second round picks?

I am in no way an expert.

But, no.

There should be some ruck prospects available in the rookie draft if we want.

 

[Jivlain]

Can only imagine the Gun player we will pick up with pick 78

Jacob Allison & Declan Watson

 

[winged1]

We should always take some kids from the academy. It is vitally important to give local kids a pathway, even if we only rookie them

 

[cotter101]

Big no for mine about us selecting English with one of our picks.

 

[Mr Ripper]

If our deficit is 215 points under your scenario, points carry to next year. If we had pick 1 next year, this carries 3000 points. Pick 2 carries 2517 points, 483 less. As 215 is less than 483 we do not move back, and keep pick 1.

Hi Mav, you number cruncher, you.

 

[Crusha]

If we do pick up McGrath, I hope the seating reshuffle at the Gabba doesn't move the players families to Sect.43 ..........would do my head in quick smart ........!!

 

[briztoon]

For those looking at what happens if we carry a draft deficit in to next season.

As per AFL draft rules, if we carry a deficit from matching a second round pick this year in to next year, the points come off our second round pick next year. If that still does not cover the whole deficit, then the remaining points come off our next pick, which would be our third round pick.

Currently, in 2017 we hold our own first round pick, Port Adelaide's first round pick, our own second round pick, Collingwood's third round pick, our own fifth round pick, sixth round pick and seventh round pick.

I can not imagine a scenario where points will have to come off a previous rounds selection, even in the following year. I can see a points deficit being carried forward in to 2018 if need be.

I would imagine there would be also be a rule forbidding teams from trading future picks if there is a points deficit owed.* So if we incur a points deficit debt in to 2017 on a third round pick, we would be barred from trading the third round pick owed to us from Collingwood. If the points deficit is greater than our third round pick, I believe teams would be barred from trading their fourth round pick as well.

What will be interesting next year, if Rocky does leave next year as a free agent, where our possible compensation pick will slot in. If it is directly after our second round pick, and if we finish as a bottom four club, that will give us four picks inside of the first 25 draft picks again.

There are three clubs with two first round picks next year, and GC already has four second round picks.

If you want to see who has what next year, check out the second post in this link. Just remember, picks are allocated according to this years finishing order.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2016-nominal-afl-draft-order.1136636/page-5

Edit: Actually I am sure there is a ban on trading future picks that have a points deficit attached to them. Pretty sure that was touched on last year during the draft coverage. And I am sure as per the AFL's explanation, the AFL view it that every team has an equal chance of winning the competition, and as such their first round pick would be pick 18, their second round pick would be pick 36, third round pick would pick 54, etc.

So if a team owes points off their second round pick, the AFL regard that pick as pick 36 and the points carried by pick 36. If that is not enough points to cove the deficit, then the next pick is pick 56 and points carried by pick 56. So a team would be banned from trading their second and third round picks.

 

[DanT7]

1 of McGrath or McCluggage or Ainsworth
3 of Simpkin, Cox, Bolton or Gallucci

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

If Essendon go McGrath which is a fair chance I just can't for the life of me see GWS taking McCluggage. They don't need another midfielder surely? Ainsworth just fits into their line up so well from my perspective and I can definitely see them taking him at number 2. Leaving McCluggage for us.

Would be a great draft if we land him alone given he has had statistically one of the best draft years in a while. Probably won't be the best to come out of the draft but should still be a solid 150 gamer at least.

Got those two back to front. Essendon take McGluggage and GWS take McGrath. That's why GWS traded up. So they can get McGrath, they are looking at him as Heath Shaw's replacement a few years down the track.

 

[lionshine]

Got those two back to front. Essendon take McGluggage and GWS take McGrath. That's why GWS traded up. So they can get McGrath, they are looking at him as Heath Shaw's replacement a few years down the track.

Nah there is genuine talk that the Bombers are starting to favour McGrath with pick 1.