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Now you're actually engaging. I appreciate that.
I'm about to go to bed so I'll make this short:
Omega3/6:
Good to see you're quoting some real figures
2-5% conversion of ALA to DHA, and studies have shown that vegans convert a higher level (about 25% more compared to omnivores if they're not overdoing omega 6 which blocks the conversion. I can pull the study if you really want). In essence, yes, vegans should be taking flax seeds and/or chia seeds on a regular basis. 2 or 3 tablespoons a day hidden in other food should do it to get the RDV's.
B12:
Yep, really counter-intuitive that omni's are often b12 deficient but there we go.
Here's an article that explains why.
B12 is a bacteria in soil/fecal matter. Now that animals are often raised without ever having contact with soil, they need to be supplemented too. B12 is actually really hard to absorb from animal sources because it bonds very strongly with animal proteins. From supplement sources is 8-12 times more efficient.
As far as historically, traces of dirt on food and untreated drinking water. About a liter a day of any untreated water will get you all the b12 you need.
This was my literal ******* point which you got pissy about!I agree to be honest, it does make it easier for people to transfer but a diet based around that sort of processed crap isn't healthy. Just as a diet based around the food they replace is equally unhealthy
It is worth differentiating a Plant Based Whole Foods diet PBWF from veganism, as being vegan is not inherently healthy. You can be vegan eating only the above s**t with chips and oreos.
In general research seems to be showing that the closer a diet is to a PBWF philosophy, the healthier (Mediterranean diet, vegetarian diet, vegan diet etc)
I thought the same when I was reading itThis was my literal ******* point which you got pissy about!
It's just about awareness I would have thought.Here's my main issue with vegans, i've known plenty for years who are some of my best friends who incidentally, are the complete opposite of this.
Mate just posted that someone was going around their neighbourhood dropping these in peoples mailboxes..
Why not? Why is it an issue for you?Also what's with all this "fake" vegan food? Why eat bacon, sausages, hamburgers, chicken made from plant and disguised as the real thing?
Why?
Because it's junk foodWhy not? Why is it an issue for you?
This was my literal ******* point which you got pissy about!
I thought the same when I was reading it
Why did you quote me...I just said you posted almost my exact thoughts? I've never argued being vegan is inherently unhealthy. Was literally the opposite to my point
I recognize that there is a difference between what I believe and what I can prove. There simply isn't enough bulk of research currently for me to definitively claim that the exclusion of ALL animal protein is healthier than the exclusion of nearly all.
What I CAN argue convincingly is that excluding all (or nearly all) animal protein is healthier than basing a diet around it.
The newest research coming out around gut flora (bacteria in the gut) also suggests that exclusively plant based diet may be the way to go, but I'm not sure how much that is affected by antibiotics in the animal agriculture industry or whether there are other inherent mechanisms. I believe in a few years there will be some convincing arguments in this field.
In the meantime I'm prepared to take a conciliatory approach. Just don't try to tell me being vegan is inherently unhealthy.
Why did you quote me...I just said you posted almost my exact thoughts? I've never argued being vegan is inherently unhealthy. Was literally the opposite to my point
Sure. As long as you can stop quoting me and arguing against things I'm not sayingCan we move on yet?
Sure. As long as you can stop quoting me and arguing against things I'm not saying
Would've just been easier if you agreed with my original post. Instead of arguing with me, then posting the same thoughts pages later
Serious question. I've been tempted to attempt going vegetarian before, my mum is and growing up we mainly ate chicken, fish, and vegetables. I personally love steak, bacon, chicken (drumsticks are better than breast). I rarely eat steak but I still have chicken, bacon, and tuna a little bit. Now to my question. What is a weekly eating plan like for a vegetarian?
Before committing, you're probably best taking it slow, substituting things like the above examples and seeing if you enjoy them. If you go all out and start substituting foods you enjoy, with foods you don't, you won't stick to it.Thanks, StiffArm, I'll have a look into it.
Any of you vegans tried any of your own milk?
http://metro.co.uk/2016/11/14/vegan...ies-every-morning-to-give-her-energy-6257252/
Certainly one way of getting some much needed vitamin b12
I have no issues with vegans.. but I hate people like this that are in the streets harassing people
There are many claims of vegans being better in bed floating around, and the reasons behind this.
Maybe vegan chicks just don't know any better because no one wants to sleep with them