Is she the best middle distance WFA horse of the past 25 years?
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our middle distance horses were totally competitive 20 years ago, we had the best horses then, i have absolutely no doubt we were better then, we would have owned the JApan Cup if all our good horses went over. The breeders bred middle distance horses, now they struggle to breed horses that run further than 1400 meters.
Winx has met one good overseas horse once.
I had a similar view after previous years Cox Plate. Thought may have benefitted from an off track but the autumn campaign changed my mind. Her Doncaster win was a great effort when had a few things against. And then this years Cox Plate took her to another level.25 years? interesting question, Better than Northerly, Might and Power, So you Think, Saintly, Filante, Octagonag, the 1991 Cox Plate field..
she has had no competition except Highland Reel and that was 1 run on a biased track, all the others above met much much better fields. That will always be the asterix to Winx' career for me.
Japan has definately improved (copying Australian methods ), but 25 years ago the japan cup was an invitation race where all the best horses from around the world were invited so it was a quasi world championship.i don't think you can assume our breeding has gone backwards and in the same sentence claim Japan's has stayed consistent.
this argument goes around in circles.
Those champs never strung winning sequences cos they had much better opposition than second rate overseas handicappers who run in our wfa races here.I had a similar view after previous years Cox Plate. Thought may have benefitted from an off track but the autumn campaign changed my mind. Her Doncaster win was a great effort when had a few things against. And then this years Cox Plate took her to another level.
Those champions you quoted never strung together a sequence of wins like Winx has.
Those champs never strung winning sequences cos they had much better opposition than second rate overseas handicappers who run in our wfa races here.
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If our horses were beating the best horses in the world i am pretty sure they would be beating 2nd rate stayerswell we don't know what would have happened if second rate overseas handicappers arrived here in 1990 would we? so marking the current crop down because we know they're worse when we're guessing about previous years seems just blindly assuming.
Japan has definately improved (copying Australian methods ), but 25 years ago the japan cup was an invitation race where all the best horses from around the world were invited so it was a quasi world championship.
The one caveat was on those days our horses were given steroids which is illegal now.. maybe that was the reason we were better?
I don't think it can be argued that our sprinters are the best in the world .. but we have dropped the ball as we allow inferior horses become stallions as even they can earn millions.
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25 years? interesting question, Better than Northerly, Might and Power, So you Think, Saintly, Filante, Octagonag, the 1991 Cox Plate field..
she has had no competition except Highland Reel and that was 1 run on a biased track, all the others above met much much better fields. That will always be the asterix to Winx' career for me.
If our horses were beating the best horses in the world i am pretty sure they would be beating 2nd rate stayers
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Would winning a 3rd Cox Plate cause you to reassess or would she need to go overseas and win to assume best mantle of last 25 years?
Hong Kong have an international invitation meeting and while top class horses from many countries go but these races are not an indication of a nations dominance. Even Dubai, meh. She's better than any of our sprinters and if they're the best in the world she'd s**t in as the worlds best horse.
There is no evidence to confirm whether those horses were world class or not.
She would destroy them. Filante? FMD
and yes Better Loosen up and Horlicks beat the best horses in the world
wheres the evidence Winx would?
It - winning group 1s - is probably only way to compare across erasImpossible to compare the quality of eras accurately.
Winning 9 Gp 1s in a row speaks for itself.