Shaun Marsh

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I don't get the argument that he wasn't fit. As far as I'm aware he was fit up until this last innings. He'd played a fair chunk of cricket prior to the first test.
 
Van_Dyke said:
Of those 4 games though, they contained 2 crucial innings. Given Khawaja's typically been pretty shocking against spin, it was a selection that had serious merit.
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Yeah we tried it, it didnt work though did it? Every time Marsh hit a good score in 1 innings, he did sfa in the other. His half century in the third innings was good but It doesn't mean hes been good this series. Calling him consistent is absolutely laughable
 

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Richard Cranium said:
But what was wrong with him in the first Test?
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Sorry, meant returning from injury. I think everyone deserves one game to get the kinks out before the knives come out.
 
Skeppersap said:
Eth-dog, are you related to him? That can be the only explanation!!!!!

Khawaja should have played instead of him from the start.
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Nope. Just think a bloke that has had a good (read: good. Not elite. Good.) test career deserves better than the s**t thrown up here.

Khawaja would have struggled to make 50 runs the entire series let alone make two individual 50's.
 
MC Bad Genius said:
There will be a scapegoat in every series loss and despite a fair few of the batters having a tour they'd rather forget, the fairest option is for the 34 year old who has never moved beyond "inconsistent but with potential" to be the one given the chop.
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Marsh isn't the scapegoat for the (inevitable) series loss, he's just a player who has had a poor series. He's not alone, his brother was poor, most of our batsmen were disappointing and none of our pace bowlers cracked double figures for wickets taken.

The frustration with Marsh is that he's 34 and offers nothing in the way of consistency or leadership. He faced 517 balls for the series, 3rd highest by an Aussie batsman. Great, you'd think, but 394 of them came in two innings - so he averaged 20 balls for the other six. So, so often he walks out to the middle, marks his crease then turns around and walks back to the dressing room a minute or two later. He made two nicely grafted 50s, but his highs aren't high enough or frequent enough to offset his lows.
 
eth-dog said:
Nope. Just think a bloke that has had a good (read: good. Not elite. Good.) test career deserves better than the s**t thrown up here.

Khawaja would have struggled to make 50 runs the entire series let alone make two individual 50's.
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Why doesnt Khawaja deserve the same? He was possibly our best batsman in the past summer, and then gets dropped for an underperforming, injury prone, old player who consistently failed and ended up with an average of less than 20!

Seems fair!!!!
 
But, I know deep down why Khawaja was not even given one chance to prove himself in India..........his last name is not Marsh.

Unfortunately it is as simple as that.

The selection of those 2, without doubt, was one of the key reasons we will lose this series. Yes, Warner's poor form is a conttributing factor....we were essentially playing 8 vs 11!
 

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Skeppersap said:
Why doesnt Khawaja deserve the same? He was possibly our best batsman in the past summer, and then gets dropped for an underperforming, injury prone, old player who consistently failed and ended up with an average of less than 20!

Seems fair!!!!
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Khawaja averages teens in Asia, and that's without facing the two best spin bowlers in the world. He was dropped for a bloke who at the start of the series was one of two current Australians that averages above 40 in Asia. I wonder why...
 
eth-dog said:
Sorry, meant returning from injury. I think everyone deserves one game to get the kinks out before the knives come out.
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So, of his 6 failures in 8 innings, 2 of them don't count because he hadn't had a chance to get into form, despite being picked purely because he was supposed to be good in these conditions; 2 of them don't count because they came in matches where he made a score in the other innings; and another one doesn't count because it came in a match where he was hurt - and subsequently failed - in the second innings?

You're taking the piss, right?
 
well......S Marsh has joined him in the teens i
Richard Cranium said:
So, of his 6 failures in 8 innings, 2 of them don't count because he hadn't had a chance to get into form, despite being picked purely because he was supposed to be good in these conditions, 2 of them don't count because they came in matches where he made a score in the other innings, and another one doesn't count because it came in a match where he was hurt - and subsequently failed - in the second innings?

You're taking the piss, right?
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He is the Cyril Rioli of cricket. His 2 runs are worth 10x those of other batsmen,because he is the subcontinent specialist!
 
Skeppersap said:
But, I know deep down why Khawaja was not even given one chance to prove himself in India..........his last name is not Marsh.

Unfortunately it is as simple as that.

The selection of those 2, without doubt, was one of the key reasons we will lose this series. Yes, Warner's poor form is a conttributing factor....we were essentially playing 8 vs 11!
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You can't be serious.
Richard Cranium said:
So, of his 6 failures in 8 innings, 2 of them don't count because he hadn't had a chance to get into form, despite being picked purely because he was supposed to be good in these conditions; 2 of them don't count because they came in matches where he made a score in the other innings; and another one doesn't count because it came in a match where he was hurt - and subsequently failed - in the second innings?

You're taking the piss, right?
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I'd call 16 a start instead of a failure. Look, he made runs in two tests. He failed in the other two. One was coming back from injury, the other he was injured. Cut him a bit of slack.
 
eth-dog said:
Khawaja averages teens in Asia, and that's without facing the two best spin bowlers in the world. He was dropped for a bloke who at the start of the series was one of two current Australians that averages above 40 in Asia. I wonder why...
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Lets also remember that Khawaja has never played against or in India. Its stupid to say he would have failed and then praise Marsh who actually did fail.
 
Skeppersap said:
well......S Marsh has joined him in the teens i

He is the Cyril Rioli of cricket. His 2 runs are worth 10x those of other batsmen,because he is the subcontinent specialist!
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Well no. Shaun Marsh still averages above 40 in Asia...

What an absurd statement. Rioli is a superstar. Marsh is good, but not great. Not that hard to comprehend.
 
Scotland said:
So the 17 times in 42 innings Marsh hasn't cracked double figures, on how many occasions was he injured? What about the 8 times he didn't get to 20?
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That's poor for a tailender, let alone a top order batsman. I've never really been anti-Marsh until this Test when I just grew tired of his lamentable performances when the team needed him to knuckle down and get some runs. I don't think it's too much to ask from a NUMBER 4!!!!
 
eth-dog said:
Khawaja averages teens in Asia, and that's without facing the two best spin bowlers in the world. He was dropped for a bloke who at the start of the series was one of two current Australians that averages above 40 in Asia. I wonder why...
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I think the selectors reasoning was sound.
Unfortunately, despite a couple of gritty innings, Marsh, like most of the batsmen, didn't really deliver.
Probably won't be around much longer.
 
eth-dog said:
He was injured in Pune and Dharamsala. He made runs in the other two tests. It's not that hard to comprehend
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How exactly do you play the injury excuse for the first innings of the series, just days after he'd peeled off a 100 against India A?
 
I don't think any of this is black and white, i fully understand them going for marsh pre series based on his past record but at the same time his past record doesn't get used to judge how he actually did in this series and reality is he just didn't do enough, khawaja is labeled useless in asia based on just 4 tests and an average of 19 so no it's not a pass mark for marsh to average 18 from his 4 games here.
 
Scotland said:
Marsh isn't the scapegoat for the (inevitable) series loss, he's just a player who has had a poor series. He's not alone, his brother was poor, most of our batsmen were disappointing and none of our pace bowlers cracked double figures for wickets taken.

The frustration with Marsh is that he's 34 and offers nothing in the way of consistency or leadership. He faced 517 balls for the series, 3rd highest by an Aussie batsman. Great, you'd think, but 394 of them came in two innings - so he averaged 20 balls for the other six. So, so often he walks out to the middle, marks his crease then turns around and walks back to the dressing room a minute or two later. He made two nicely grafted 50s, but his highs aren't high enough or frequent enough to offset his lows.
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I think we're arguing the same point, just from slightly different angles. All I'm saying is that people defending Marsh will point that all our batters (except Smith, of course) struggled, so why should he be the one to lose his spot. And of course, the answer is exactly what you posted.
 
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