Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion

[Malifice]

You have 11 players gone and that could yet come about.....and you haven't included Armfield nor any rookies.
Moving on players is one part of list management and bringing others in (better ones), is the other.

As things stand we have our 1st rounder (~#3) no second, 3rd rounder (~#45), 4th rounder (~#62) 5th rounder?......and then rookies.
Pretty slim pickings right now and we don't have much currency in players we're prepared to let go.
2+ for ones seem to be on the cards, a quality FA would be great and then the odd trade and a DFA or two.

Not ideal on face value, even if we do use next years first as the bait for getting who we want.
Another big year for SOS and co. Surprise us......

This is why I'm thinking we need to trade our future first for a package deal from GWS. We are going to need to fill around 10 list spots this year. Trading our future 1st to GWS for two or three players looks to be a good option.

Also if Bryce leaves I'd be looking at Adelaide's first this year, and also their second rounder next year.

We can mitigate the loss next year somewhat via free agency which we will be in a better position to utilise. Plus also hopefully Ben Silvagni comes on. We'll have two 2nd round draft picks in 2018; an early one being our own and a late one from Adelaide. Those two second rounders can be used as currency for Ben or can be used to pick up two decent players.

 

[TooFar]

This is why I'm thinking we need to trade our future first for a package deal from GWS. We are going to need to fill around 10 list spots this year. Trading our future 1st to GWS for two or three players looks to be a good option.

Also if Bryce leaves I'd be looking at Adelaide's first this year, and also their second rounder next year.

We can mitigate the loss next year somewhat via free agency which we will be in a better position to utilise. Plus also hopefully Ben Silvagni comes on. We'll have two 2nd round draft picks in 2018; an early one being our own and a late one from Adelaide. Those two second rounders can be used as currency for Ben or can be used to pick up two decent players.

I would be pretty confident that that ship has sailed. I don't think you will be getting a first and second round pick for Gibbs anymore.

He will be 29 next year and only worth a second rounder to Adelaide, even less if Adelaide win the Flag.

 

[HARKER]

I would be pretty confident that that ship has sailed. I don't think you will be getting a first and second round pick for Gibbs anymore.

He will be 29 next year and only worth a second rounder to Adelaide, even less if Adelaide win the Flag.

Not so sure about that: Win the flag and put the brakes on? I don't think so.

Gibbs family situation may have mellowed down and if so, there may not be any rush to get back to Adelaide any more.

Just can't see him leaving any more, whichever way.

 

[Blue Doormat]

I would be pretty confident that that ship has sailed. I don't think you will be getting a first and second round pick for Gibbs anymore.

He will be 29 next year and only worth a second rounder to Adelaide, even less if Adelaide win the Flag.

Intend to agree with you in terms of trade value. He's still definitely worth a mid late first or 2 seconds. Talk of a first and second wont eventuate I dont but neither will one second rounder. My thought is he's a blue until his contract ends and he leaves with our blessing or stays a blue for life (my preference).

 

[TooFar]

Not so sure about that: Win the flag and put the brakes on? I don't think so.

Gibbs family situation may have mellowed down and if so, there may not be any rush to get back to Adelaide any more.

Just can't see him leaving any more, whichever way.

Wouldn't winning a flag show faith in our player development system. Getting Gibbs is more likely to put the brakes on.

With a proven development system, a first round pick is a lot move valuable than a 29 year old non-elite midfielder?

 

[HARKER]

Wouldn't winning a flag show faith in our player development system. Getting Gibbs is more likely to put the brakes on.

With a proven development system, a first round pick is a lot move valuable than a 29 year old non-elite midfielder?

It worked for Hawthorn.........I think it's a good idea........even a proven one.

 

[thylacine60]

Wouldn't winning a flag show faith in our player development system. Getting Gibbs is more likely to put the brakes on.

With a proven development system, a first round pick is a lot move valuable than a 29 year old non-elite midfielder?

Eddie was non-elite before he went to the Crows.

 

[TooFar]

It worked for Hawthorn.........I think it's a good idea........even a proven one.

That may be true, but you need to select the right player. I don't want to offend you as I'm on your board, but I cant see what additional value Gibbs would bring to Adelaide. If Dangerfield could not help us win a Flag, how is Gibbs going to improve the team?

And don't get my wrong, I would have loved to have Gibbs play for the Crows. Im an old Glenelg boy from when his old man used to play there, but as I said in a previous post, that ship has sailed.

 

[TooFar]

Eddie was non-elite before he went to the Crows.

That's true as well, but Eddie filled a direct need and something Adelaide was lacking in. More inline with the Hawthorn targeted recruiting style. He was also younger and cost a lot less.

 

[HARKER]

That may be true, but you need to select the right player. I don't want to offend you as I'm on your board, but I cant see what additional value Gibbs would bring to Adelaide. If Dangerfield could not help us win a Flag, how is Gibbs going to improve the team?

And don't get my wrong, I would have loved to have Gibbs play for the Crows. Im an old Glenelg boy from when his old man used to play there, but as I said in a previous post, that ship has sailed.

You're not offending me at all.....and it wasn't me who was desperate to bring him to Adelaide last year.

I also think that ship has sailed, but isn't it funny that when a player calls out to want to go to a club, how much harder that club works to get him?

No harm done and don't do a North '16 this year.

 

[Blugazi]

I wonder if SOS has talked to GWS about taking on the final year of Ryan Griffen's contract to gain a discount when acquiring a Jacob Hopper, Devon Smith or Matthew Kennedy type. He hasn't set the world on fire at GWS and is contracted for 2018, but would probably get a game with us.

 

[DangerousD]

I would be pretty confident that that ship has sailed. I don't think you will be getting a first and second round pick for Gibbs anymore.

He will be 29 next year and only worth a second rounder to Adelaide, even less if Adelaide win the Flag.

Not sure that will be the case. Your side atm is looking good, I'm not sure about you but I still see your biggest weakness as your midfield.

If you just fall short this year then surely you would want to get a deal done to get your side over the line.

If you win it then your pick will be 18, cheap for Gibbs imo and why wouldn't you throw everything at going back to back.

By some reports your salary cap is fairly full ours isn't and some have mentioned we may be Williams by to pay Gibbs contract. This would mean you should be able to offer better deals to lever and Gov.

 

[La Dispute]

I wonder if SOS has talked to GWS about taking on the final year of Ryan Griffen's contract to gain a discount when acquiring a Jacob Hopper, Devon Smith or Matthew Kennedy type. He hasn't set the world on fire at GWS and is contracted for 2018, but would probably get a game with us.

Looks like the game has passed him by. He's pretty disinterested and his football has been at a considerably low level given how good he was a few years ago.

There will be other young guys that we'll be able to give a contract to. I really like the idea of the Hopper/Kennedy trade: essentially bringing in two quality players for a good pick, like Melbourne did with Tyson, and then drafted Salem with the subsequent draft selection. Really build our depth by bringing in ready-made guns.

See if they can tack on another developing tall as well - maybe Finlayson or Flynn.

 

[GapInIkonPark]

Valid points but i can easily think of at least 10 other players who we'd move on before him.
Confident he'll be kept at least for next year. Next year would be crunch year for him.

Agree.

 

[Dramoth]

Yep, doesn't have the footy IQ required in today's game.

Footy IQ > Pure athletes

So... we should be keeping Kreuzer then?

 

[Chism]

That may be true, but you need to select the right player. I don't want to offend you as I'm on your board, but I cant see what additional value Gibbs would bring to Adelaide. If Dangerfield could not help us win a Flag, how is Gibbs going to improve the team?

And don't get my wrong, I would have loved to have Gibbs play for the Crows. Im an old Glenelg boy from when his old man used to play there, but as I said in a previous post, that ship has sailed.

That is why you are talking to us on a forum and not apart of the Crows recruitment and list management board.

 

[Aphrodite]

That is why you are talking to us on a forum and not apart of the Crows recruitment and list management board.

But but they might win the Grand Final this year.

 

[Jimmae]

I wonder if SOS has talked to GWS about taking on the final year of Ryan Griffen's contract to gain a discount when acquiring a Jacob Hopper, Devon Smith or Matthew Kennedy type. He hasn't set the world on fire at GWS and is contracted for 2018, but would probably get a game with us.

Griffen is just about to turn 31 and has had niggles for the last 12 months. He's now out injured but he should be good for them when he returns.

Don't see the value in it for them compared to someone like Whitfield, who really has struggled consistently over a course of years because he's forced to play very outside.

 

[dragonsblues]

We need one or two players who have been written off to make it. If say Jaksch and Sumner can become best 22, then we have just significantly boosted the rebuild.

What i saw of Sumner last year i liked. He was quick and had good intensity, remember the chase down to win us the Port game last year.

I truely hope Jaksch has turned the corner like othets have said. Surely he needs to get a game in the next few weeks. I'd like to see him given a 3-4 game run in the seniors to properly assess him.

 

[Smegger]

Question: can Sumner become a midfielder? Or he is nothing more than a flashy small forward?

Too hard to say up until this point. IF he can have a better run with injuries and build a tank, who knows? He's got talent and i feel he is underrated.

 

[Blugazi]

Griffen is just about to turn 31 and has had niggles for the last 12 months. He's now out injured but he should be good for them when he returns.

Don't see the value in it for them compared to someone like Whitfield, who really has struggled consistently over a course of years because he's forced to play very outside.

He'd be on some pretty big dollars, if they were able to get rid of him they might be able to accommodate a Martin or Fyfe type.

 

[Jimmae]

He'd be on some pretty big dollars, if they were able to get rid of him they might be able to accommodate a Martin or Fyfe type.

Griffen, or Whitfield?

I'd suggest neither one is necessarily in their top 5 salaries, and they're on a regular cap this year.

 

[Gethelred]

Pick 16-18 doesn't even get you an interview for Hopper .
If the mail is on the money and we are into a few Giants , our 2018 1st rounder is definitely in play considering we must take this year's 1st rounder to the draft for best available mid .

Depending almost entirely on how the draft projects - in terms of depth and types of players available - I'd almost be okay with trying trade our selection - if it's inside the top 3 - for two later selections inside the first round.

Say, we came 16th. We approach whoever came 10th, and we tell them that, should they be able to get hold of pick 10-14, our pick 3 is available for trade.

We then go to the draft, and take in two mids.

If we then trade Gibbs, we can do so for Adelaide's future first, and their second this year.

We take pick 8, 10-14 and Adelaide's second to the draft, then take both our first and adelaide's 16-18 next year.

 

[cookie monster]

That may be true, but you need to select the right player. I don't want to offend you as I'm on your board, but I cant see what additional value Gibbs would bring to Adelaide. If Dangerfield could not help us win a Flag, how is Gibbs going to improve the team?

And don't get my wrong, I would have loved to have Gibbs play for the Crows. Im an old Glenelg boy from when his old man used to play there, but as I said in a previous post, that ship has sailed.

Watch your lot pony up with their heads in their hands when you finish thereabouts at the end of this year again. A flag is not the foregone conclusion you've already pencilled it in as

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Not so sure about that: Win the flag and put the brakes on? I don't think so.

Gibbs family situation may have mellowed down and if so, there may not be any rush to get back to Adelaide any more.

Just can't see him leaving any more, whichever way.

If that's the case, I would suggest it puts next years first very much into play for another GWS package deal or something, being that he is our only real commodity worth anything. Kruezer may be worth and end of first round compo pick.