Jaeger O'Meara

[Yellow Feathers]

What is your opinion worth? nothing I'd expect.

As a GC supporter who has followed the whole saga? Probably a bit more than yours, chief.

 

[Suns of Anarchy]

I actually wish Jaeger the best and hope he can return to fitness and get back to playing good footy.
But in saying that we are entitled to feel a little bitter. We gave up pick 1 for a 17 year old that couldn't play for 12 months. We named our junior program 'Jaegers Juniors', we sent him overseas for his initial treatment and then endured two years of him in the stands after his freak injury. We then offer him a lucrative long term contract to remain, despite the risks. We were extremely loyal to him, but his departure left a very sour taste. Now, the Hawthorn medical team need to deliver as they seduced him away.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Sorry

Footy is Jaegers life . Do you think this is a walk in the park for him. Do you think he may be gutteref . Well he bloody is.

Obviously not ideal but hes got to look at the positives

 

[Lance Uppercut]

I hate Hawthorn with every fibre of my being, but I'm with you on this one. It's poor form (and bad Karma) to gloat or wish for the injury of a player. At the end of the day, football is a game, it is meant to be entertainment, and people are seriously celebrating a young man suffering a serious physical injury that could end his career?

What I'm hoping for is that my team can beat yours. My wish is that O'Meara gets back to football, back to his best... and it still doesn't matter because my team has improved so much that we can beat you regardless!

If Carlton won a premiership because a rare illness ran through 17 other clubs and they all got sick, so we Bradburied our way to victory, I'd feel it was hollow. What I want is for Carlton's #17 to be against the best, greatest, most awesome opposition possible. An inspirational run in which we smash a monstrous GWS team in the first run of the finals, a gargantuan Essendon in week 2 (by 1 point), a phenomenal Hawthorn in the prelim (by 100 points), and a mighty Collingwood team in the Grand Final (by 1 point, after trailing by 76 at half time)

Oh please. Hawthorne and O'Meara are separate entities. It's entirely reasonable to be hugely sympathetic to O'Meara whilst still bring critical of the Hawthorne hubris that lead them to make the decisions they did.

In fact that same hubris lead them to playing O'Meara in meaningless preseason games almost as if to validate the trade.

And as for the supporters, well, many of them gleefully posted pics of Jaeger running in preseason as validation themselves, and many will not believe for a second their coach and club are at all fallible and will not even consider that the messages their club are giving them is nothing but spin.

Jaeger deserved better than to be fast tracked into a situation it seems he wasn't ever right for

 

[citizen-erased]

I feel bad for JOM because even if he does get back to playing 20+ games a season, and remains largely injury-free, for the price the Hawks they paid for him they need him to be a bona fide superstar - a perennial AA and Brownlow contender like Dangerfield for us or Judd for Carlton.

On the flipside the Tom Mitchell deal is looking a good one for them, and they clearly won the Gibson-Gunston trades. You win some, you lose some...

thats the right sentiment, though Hawthorn did bet the house on a risky proposition.
Gave up more than what Danger & Treloar cost, and did so on a less sure thing at a time their list could ill-afford it.
Really needed to baulk at the ask from GCS and risked trying to get him via the draft.

 

[Hawk_francais]

Oh please. Hawthorne and O'Meara are separate entities. It's entirely reasonable to be hugely sympathetic to O'Meara whilst still bring critical of the Hawthorne hubris that lead them to make the decisions they did.

In fact that same hubris lead them to playing O'Meara in meaningless preseason games almost as if to validate the trade.

And as for the supporters, well, many of them gleefully posted pics of Jaeger running in preseason as validation themselves, and many will not believe for a second their coach and club are at all fallible and will not even consider that the messages their club are giving them is nothing but spin.

Jaeger deserved better than to be fast tracked into a situation it seems he wasn't ever right for

In fact, Hawthorn (without the 'e'), its supporters and the media who covers them are all separate entities.

I don't know what the 'hubris' is that you're talking about. Jaeger had 4 months of uninterrupted training, with no issues in his knee at all - that's why he played pre-season. For some reason the club thought it was a good idea to give practice matches to a player who'd been out for 2 years (crazy, huh?).

Or is the 'hubris' about Hawthorns medical team boasting that they are the only ones who'll get his knee right? I don't think you'll find a single statement from the club, from Jaeger, Andrew Russell or Graham Wright that says anything of the kind. It's just speculation that we've all bought into for some reason.

If you're going to try to hold the 'right entity' to account, then just look a little closer next time. As for the trade itself, it is still being judged on potential. Worst case scenario, we finish last and Jaeger never plays another game - but we have to judge whether the potential gains at the time of the trade (top 6 finish, Jaeger becomes Hawthorn's best player) were worth that risk. Undoubtably yes.

 

[t_94]

Genuine shame he can't get a clear run at it; seems injuries will stop him fulfilling his potential.

His best for a first / second year was absurdly good. He has best player in the competition talent.

 

[KGBeast]

I think the trade was a bust.

 

[Toump Ass]

Seems like a good young man. Had a brief chat to him at training and seemed very level-headed.

Perhaps he saw what Hawthorn was able to achieve with Burgoyne back 6-7 years ago, what we were able to do with Cyril, what we've been able to do with Ryan Burton and thought we could do that for him. Mate, just maybe his body isn't fixable. We've have significantly more success at the trade table than failures, and in this case we have probably lost (although he may come good). All in all, clubs have used first round draft picks many times and they haven't worked out. We've done pretty well over the past decade, so if the price of that is the odd draft bust and a couple of years down the bottom I'll take that every day of the week.

Really good point. Having said that, it does seems like a very reactive trade strategy to me: recruiting Vickery & O'Meara were clear risks.

And I I still question the use of the word "karma": there's no such thing.

 

[Yellow Feathers]

I actually wish Jaeger the best and hope he can return to fitness and get back to playing good footy.
But in saying that we are entitled to feel a little bitter. We gave up pick 1 for a 17 year old that couldn't play for 12 months. We named our junior program 'Jaegers Juniors', we sent him overseas for his initial treatment and then endured two years of him in the stands after his freak injury. We then offer him a lucrative long term contract to remain, despite the risks. We were extremely loyal to him, but his departure left a very sour taste. Now, the Hawthorn medical team need to deliver as they seduced him away.

Great post. I hope Hawks supporters take time to understand what you're saying here.

 

[Bollox]

Tommy > Hawthorn looks like the best WIn WIn trade in a long time.
Trying to imagine Hawthorn without him, and we got Florent AND Hayward out of it.

They should just spell Omeara till December. No rehab No workload. Send him off to a beach somewhere. Take all the pressure off and simply cop a bit of interim criticism on the chin for a few days.
Sometimes systemic injuries are best dealt with by letting the body recover naturally without any stress on it.
What possible good comes from bringing him back this yr ? Who cares if he plays a few games.

 

[Mappa]

Really good point. Having said that, it does seems like a very reactive trade strategy to me: recruiting Vickery & O'Meara were clear risks.

And I I still question the use of the word "karma": there's no such thing.

There was more than a hint of desperation and even stubbornness in the deal. Clarko doesn't like to get beaten, and on this occasion Tony Cochrane called his bluff and probably won.

That said, we will be in the finals wilderness for a couple of years, but the wilderness is where all Gold Coast sporting teams live their whole 'lives' so we'll be right

 

[Pessimistic]

Great post. I hope Hawks supporters take time to understand what you're saying here.

Raise you a buddy Franklin

Pick 19

 

[Fetnarr]

Great post. I hope Hawks supporters take time to understand what you're saying here.

Hawk supporters understand GC supporters would be frustrated by what happened with Jaeger. While we are taking time to empathize with you, how about GC supporters take time to empathize with Jaeger......he had an issue with his knee that appears to me was mismanaged. He felt moving on was going to be the best for him to sort his issue out and forge a decent career. I'm not saying that the Hawks medical team are miracle workers or anything like that but there is a history of poorly managed injuries at the Suns such as Ablett, Swallow, Gorringe, Bock, Prestia and others. Just think about what you would do if you were in his situation. The biggest mistake the Suns made with him was sending him overseas IMO.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Raise you a buddy Franklin

Pick 19

He was a free agent. You shouldn't even have got that. Compensation is bullshit

 

[Gavin Excell]

Hawk supporters understand GC supporters would be frustrated by what happened with Jaeger. While we are taking time to empathize with you, how about GC supporters take time to empathize with Jaeger......he had an issue with his knee that appears to me was mismanaged. He felt moving on was going to be the best for him to sort his issue out and forge a decent career. I'm not saying that the Hawks medical team are miracle workers or anything like that but there is a history of poorly managed injuries at the Suns such as Ablett, Swallow, Gorringe, Bock, Prestia and others. Just think about what you would do if you were in his situation. The biggest mistake the Suns made with him was sending him overseas IMO.

So you guys now blaming Gold Coast medics for Omearas plight

 

[Proper Gander]

Hawk supporters understand GC supporters would be frustrated by what happened with Jaeger. While we are taking time to empathize with you, how about GC supporters take time to empathize with Jaeger......he had an issue with his knee that appears to me was mismanaged. He felt moving on was going to be the best for him to sort his issue out and forge a decent career. I'm not saying that the Hawks medical team are miracle workers or anything like that but there is a history of poorly managed injuries at the Suns such as Ablett, Swallow, Gorringe, Bock, Prestia and others. Just think about what you would do if you were in his situation. The biggest mistake the Suns made with him was sending him overseas IMO.

Why are you so certain his knee was mismanaged at Gold Coast?

He was sent overseas for surgery, at some considerable cost. He returned, was rehabbing for some time before returning to football managed, through NEAFL. Unfortunately after a few games broke down again.

He has moved clubs, rehabbing, returned to football managed, via preseason games to AFL appearances. Unfortunately after a few games he broke down again.

One of the hardest things he is facing is that his treatment at Gold Coast may not have been the issue, which is starting to look concerningly chronic. Hawthorns medical team may well be very good but they have so far only really managed what Gold Coast's did for Jaegar which was an attempt to get him back to AFL which has been set back. Again.

 

[Pessimistic]

Why are you so certain his knee was mismanaged at Gold Coast?

He was sent overseas for surgery, at some considerable cost. He returned, was rehabbing for some time before returning to football managed, through NEAFL. Unfortunately after a few games broke down again.

He has moved clubs, rehabbing, returned to football managed, via preseason games to AFL appearances. Unfortunately after a few games he broke down again.

One of the hardest things he is facing is that his treatment at Gold Coast may not have been the issue, which is starting to look concerningly chronic. Hawthorns medical team may well be very good but they have so far only really managed what Gold Coast's did for Jaegar which was an attempt to get him back to AFL which has been set back. Again.

SEN had chris knights on apparently GC contacted richmond to see what they did

 

[smeltitdeltit]

....and many will not believe for a second their coach and club are at all fallible and will not even consider that the messages their club are giving them is nothing but spin.

Could very well apply this to Essendon, just on a muuuuuuuuuch larger scale.

 

[10571z]

I actually didn't realise they gave up 3 second rounders and ATM pick 2 for jäger. Absolutey crazy stuff. One of the worst trades of all time ATM

 

[#gosaintas]

Lucky for Jager he got a big contract.

If he pulls the pin would that mean he forfeits his remaining contract? If so he may as well just stay on and collect big pay packets for nothing

Yep - poor bloke. Gets $3.5 mill for doing stretches for a few years. Feel shocking for him.

 

[mcgarnacle]

I actually wish Jaeger the best and hope he can return to fitness and get back to playing good footy.
But in saying that we are entitled to feel a little bitter. We gave up pick 1 for a 17 year old that couldn't play for 12 months. We named our junior program 'Jaegers Juniors', we sent him overseas for his initial treatment and then endured two years of him in the stands after his freak injury. We then offer him a lucrative long term contract to remain, despite the risks. We were extremely loyal to him, but his departure left a very sour taste. Now, the Hawthorn medical team need to deliver as they seduced him away.

why would GC be bitter? they got an expensive player who doesn't play footy off their list!

 

[DemonZombie_001]

I actually wish Jaeger the best and hope he can return to fitness and get back to playing good footy.
But in saying that we are entitled to feel a little bitter. We gave up pick 1 for a 17 year old that couldn't play for 12 months. We named our junior program 'Jaegers Juniors', we sent him overseas for his initial treatment and then endured two years of him in the stands after his freak injury. We then offer him a lucrative long term contract to remain, despite the risks. We were extremely loyal to him, but his departure left a very sour taste. Now, the Hawthorn medical team need to deliver as they seduced him away.

I also wish he gets better and can have an AFL career (as I do all players of all teams).

But the above is pretty much the only part that I have any negative feelings about. I think Gold Coast pretty much went overs for this kid, and he had an opportunity to repay that while still getting paid very well. And by repay, I don't mean spend his entire life there. A three year contract would have been suitable (with this year being another injury year as well).

I think because of JOMs actions the next kid that comes along that matches this situation in the draft will maybe have clubs less inclined to say yes.

 

[DemonZombie_001]

To be fair Tom Mitchell was a great trade

At this stage the Tom Mitchell trade is a good one, not a great one for me.

Once he can become more damaging as opposed to accumulating then it will be a great trade.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

At this stage the Tom Mitchell trade is a good one, not a great one for me.

Once he can become more damaging as opposed to accumulating then it will be a great trade.

I'd be pretty happy if Melbourne did the trade and he performed like that