Mobile (iOS/Android) Pokemon Go

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Maybe I shouldn't keep reading all these complaints on the subreddit for the game (and there are a metric shitload of them) but everyone seems to miss the point - that the new system is meant to encourage casual players into the gym system.

'But spoofers keep pumping up the gyms' - 100 upvotes. Well, no they aren't. They gain nothing by having a Pokemon in there indefinitely. It's only been a day so - degradation will take a while - but rest assured that given enough time the gyms will change colour because there is no incentive for retaining a gym for months on end. There are already posters with evidence of their 2800-3000 CP monster more than halving overnight.

If they want to spoof and have control of all gyms in ten suburbs for bragging rights - well, there was nothing in the old version stopping them from doing so. But in the old version they could then collect coins no problem with no resistance or effort - in this one they have to wait for them to get knocked out and it's not like their Pokemon will give them 2000 coins after being in there for a week. For a spoofer who wants coins, it is actually in their best interests to perhaps boost their gyms a little in the first few hours, then let someone eventually take them out for the sweet coins.

Someone will then point out that the spoofer could just use multiple accounts to cycle the gym for the coins a few hours afterwards, and then boost it back up for their preferred gym defender Pokemon - so how is this different from the old system then?

It does take a while to knock off a Level 6 gym but it's not much different from taking down a similar old gym. If you wait a while, it gets even easier due to natural attrition of CP and the lack of incentive to keep them there. With each gym now being a Pokestop with a bias towards healing items, it's a piece of cake given enough spare time.

In my neighbourhood I already see sub Level 30 accounts who I've never seen before sprinkled around gyms that used to be on lockdown for months. Somehow I don't think they're complaining about the new system. There are real issues (eg 1 coin/hour, high minimum time requirement, the battling being incredibly laggy at times) but some of the common whines are facepalm worthy.

/rant

 

[NTRabbit]

If it's six pokemon per gym, I think I'm out of luck already

 

[Forward Press]

If it's six pokemon per gym, I think I'm out of luck already

They will eventually be eliminated with enough time. It's also partially made up by a percentage of Pokestops being converted to gyms.

 

[Vooligan]

Fair enough but after time the CP will drop to very low numbers. Then a more casual medium level player will have no problem knocking them off and returning the Pokemon and its bunch of coins to you. I am a big fan of the new system.

Oh right I didn't realise it worked like that. I will give it a shot and see how it goes.

 

[mighty_sainters]

I'd rather spend money on coins than waste my time to be honest.

 

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I'd rather spend money on coins than waste my time to be honest.

Yep, this is definitely a push towards spending actual money. Not that I necessarily agree with it but that's the way it goes nowadays - microtransactions and DLC etc.

The new meta is great, at least in my area. My first Level 6 Pokemon came back to me with 10 hours in the gym - already noticed nearby gyms changing hands every couple of hours and a solid Level 6 opposition gym has had most of them degrade to CP 700 ish - piece of cake whenever I can be arsed taking it out. A CP 147 Shuckle that I chucked into a normally heavily trafficked gym is still there after maybe 12 hours (with nearly full motivation) but given the other defenders have weakened a lot it won't take much for it to convert. The new strategy may be to play the game late, to sweep the gyms in the early hours of the morning to maximise potential coin return.

 

[NTRabbit]

You must live in a weird area, the gyms here haven't changed hands all day, and I haven't seen a pokemon drop below half motivation.

 

[cheesedogg]

Give it a week, maybe 2 & everyone will be back to not really caring about the gyms

 

[Forward Press]

You must live in a weird area, the gyms here haven't changed hands all day, and I haven't seen a pokemon drop below half motivation.

Yeah some obviously will be relatively untouched but I've noticed a much higher changeover rate. If it helps I live in a fairly active area - maybe during the day you'll have about 30-50 players going through, max.

Give it a week, maybe 2 & everyone will be back to not really caring about the gyms

Depends on your priority, I have a couple of friends that only care about filling the Pokedex so all power to them. It's not compulsory to battle, in fact you get 250 points for just spinning one Pokestop so it's a more efficient way to earn points than battling.

 

[Forward Press]

Level 28 can now raid.

All but one of my defenders have now returned as well. A Vaporeon set the new record of 35 coins.

 

[Forward Press]

Coin system has been rejigged too. 1 per 10 minutes, and the max is now 50. Which discourages having your Pokemon in more than a handful of gyms really.

Glad to see they listen to feedback very quickly on this one, although obviously I wish the cap was back at 100.

 

[kangle4]

Lvl 25 and above can now raid.

How are they going to choose which gyms get raids considering we don't have sponsored gyms like they do in the US?

 

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Lvl 25 and above can now raid.

How are they going to choose which gyms get raids considering we don't have sponsored gyms like they do in the US?

TheSilphRoad had a look at the data - not sure about Melbourne but only two in Perth are being tested for raids.

It's still in beta, I'm hoping it can extend to every gym.

 

[timtamWB]

I just drove past 3 different gyms that have raids starting in an hour. It looks pretty random as to which they choose

 

[Dirtywhirl]

Rarity of raid Pokémon seems to be indicated by colour. Gold is what to aim for

 

[kangle4]

Few raids popping up in my area.

 

[dales.girl38]

Coin system has been rejigged too. 1 per 10 minutes, and the max is now 50. Which discourages having your Pokemon in more than a handful of gyms really.

Glad to see they listen to feedback very quickly on this one, although obviously I wish the cap was back at 100.

I was wondering why I got 50 coins when I held a gym for 10 hours. 50 coins per day won't get you very far if you previously were getting 100, but it does make it easier for people like me who struggled to get 10 per day under the old system.

 

[Forward Press]

Seems like every gym has a raid right now or upcoming. I don't feel like participating until there is actually someone else though, and if it's a rare Pokemon.

Raid passes get issued once per day if you don't have one, so I guess that's the incentive to at least give one a try every day.

I was wondering why I got 50 coins when I held a gym for 10 hours. 50 coins per day won't get you very far if you previously were getting 100, but it does make it easier for people like me who struggled to get 10 per day under the old system.

Although I wish it was 100 because that was the limit in the old system, it's good that they saw that the 1 coin/hour with a minimum of 1 hour was excessive.

 

[Walesy]

So, rocked up to the local raid to see what was going down.

It was a 4500 CP bayleaf.

Also, it was just me Took my raid pass and went back home. Hopefully I'll find another raid with more people later on.

 

[kangle4]

One near me was 19,750 Gengar.

 

[Zach Package]

Under the raid tab it says '14:20~'

And it has for the last hour, does that mean there's 14 others there already?

 

[Sharkey66]

So, rocked up to the local raid to see what was going down.

It was a 4500 CP bayleaf.

Also, it was just me Took my raid pass and went back home. Hopefully I'll find another raid with more people later on.

Had the same. Me and the wife had a go at it anyway,took it out in 30 sec. Then got to catch a 705cp bayleef.
I've caught better in the wild, rewards were not to special either. Pretty disappointed to be honest.

 

[Forward Press]

Under the raid tab it says '14:20~'

And it has for the last hour, does that mean there's 14 others there already?

No idea, sorry.

Had the same. Me and the wife had a go at it anyway,took it out in 30 sec. Then got to catch a 705cp bayleef.
I've caught better in the wild, rewards were not to special either. Pretty disappointed to be honest.

Yeah as Dirtywhirl seems to suggest above wait for gold coloured ones. There is confirmation you get better items with harder raids - such as TMs. Of course, that means you probably need help too.

 

[Walesy]

Had the same. Me and the wife had a go at it anyway,took it out in 30 sec. Then got to catch a 705cp bayleef.
I've caught better in the wild, rewards were not to special either. Pretty disappointed to be honest.

Yeah, think that's a low level one. Had a 19,000 Jolteon pop up next, but again, sadly, no-one else was there. Might head towards the city to see if I can't find more active areas

 

[Zach Package]

Yeah as Dirtywhirl seems to suggest above wait for gold coloured ones. There is confirmation you get better items with harder raids - such as TMs. Of course, that means you probably need help too.

I've got a 3 star gold egg one right near me starting in 20 minutes. At the very least I reckon I'll get help from spoofers so I'll scoot down there now and report back