AFL 7`s coming Internationally?

[TWLS]

"There are no current plans to stage AFLX games in Perth."

Would that make it a Docklands competition ?
Would a S.O.O. be more popular than AFLX from the ten teams ?
Would a summer AFLX under lights drawn from second tier competitions be popular ?

Likely to be at Docklands because they own it now and have to get some return.

I think State of Origin is dead and buried - Thanks to Mick Malthouse and other Coaches at that time. Did not want players injured etc etc. Self interest always rules in the AFL Competition. My good wife a big Eagles fan remembers Mick at the Eagles well and his efforts to block it at that time. He threatened to not make players available, and was not the only Coach preaching that mantra. Go and check the history behind it.
Off topic, but Mick was the prime mover in getting the Eagles 2 Flags - You have to balance things out, and history will always remember the Premierships he got, and not the lack of S.O.O. So question 2 is no longer a valid question IMHO.

Second Tier likely not be involved because the modern fans only want to watch the best in action.

What is interesting in the photo is that it depicted the players involved in AFLX at the secret sessions.

 

[RedV3x]

Likely to be at Docklands because they own it now and have to get some return.

Yes. What about the rest of Australia ? Where's the BBL analogy now ?

I think State of Origin is dead and buried

Dead from a coaches view because of fear of injuries which is irrelevant w.r.t. bottom ten teams.

Second Tier likely not be involved because the modern fans only want to watch the best in action.

That's an assumption. Sheffield Shield went from 100s to BBL to 10,000s.

 

[NoobPie]

Yes. What about the rest of Australia ? Where's the BBL analogy now ?



Dead from a coaches view because of fear of injuries which is irrelevant w.r.t. bottom ten teams.




That's an assumption. Sheffield Shield went from 100s to BBL to 10,000s.

I think they should use SOO for this 7s concept....but it has to be predominantly elite afl players at least initially. The bbl is elite let's not forget...calling it second tier is a misleading comparison....there are 800 odd afl listed players...the 800th Australian cricketer is a fringe district a grade player

I think in the first instance this one off is just a taster/tester but beyond that I think it would be played in October/ November and played at rotating venues....

 

[RedV3x]

The bbl is elite let's not forget.

My point was that the game t20 that changed unwatchesd (second tier) players into watched players.

 

[NoobPie]

My point was that the game t20 that changed unwatchesd (second tier) players into watched players.

I get that....but my point was that these "unwatched" players are still top 100 players in the country, plus these bbl teams include very much watched players including some of the best cricketers from around the world

I think there is scope for non afl listed players (perhaps even specialist players in the longer term) but in the first instance it would need elite players to gain traction

 

[RedV3x]

I get that....but my point was that these "unwatched" players are still top 100 players in the country, plus these bbl teams include very much watched players including some of the best cricketers from around the world

Again, that's meaningless. Cricket was almost dead before BBL. Before AFL, the state leagues were the elite players.

I I think there is scope for non afl listed players (perhaps even specialist players in the longer term) but in the first instance it would need elite players to gain traction

Yes and no. The AFLW showed that summer is open to football.
There is still interest in state leagues that aren't preceded by "AFL".

 

[Garlic muncher]

Wouldn't it be more sensible to have a couple of formats, maybe 9's or 10's on a proper ground and 7's on a soccer type ground.

So if a comp got off the ground, you could play anywhere on any ground, using the whole ground.

 

[Garlic muncher]

As someone who has had a keen interest in seeing our game expand O/S for quite a while, this is probably our best opportunity, it depends whether the AFL is serious.

People who have been at the coal face O/S working to promote our game with little or no AFL help have been begging for this type of thing and have actually been playing this type of game for quite a number of years, from memory American ( australian) metro football is 7 or so a side.

 

[Gigantor]

As someone who has had a keen interest in seeing our game expand O/S for quite a while, this is probably our best opportunity, it depends whether the AFL is serious.

People who have been at the coal face O/S working to promote our game with little or no AFL help have been begging for this type of thing and have actually been playing this type of game for quite a number of years, from memory American ( australian) metro football is 7 or so a side.

Not just soccer fields, don't be surprised if the AFL has an eye on gridiron fields in the US as well.

 

[RedV3x]

Wouldn't it be more sensible to have a couple of formats, maybe 9's or 10's on a proper ground and 7's on a soccer type ground.

Already happens. Size of ground varies number of players.
You can have kicked out/kicked in or last touched is a free kick for no ruckmen.
It's already been done on soccer, rugby and American Football grounds many times over.

 

[Gigantor]

Just listening to last Sunday's Rub podcast.

Clear driver is getting the game played overseas, because its hard to play the full version of the game in most parts of the world: hard to get 36 players, hard to get big ovals, hard to to get 6+ officials, etc, etc.

Red is correct that there are many short forms of the game being played around the world to utilise whatever space they can find, but arguably that creates even more of a reason why the AFL should create, own and control a formal set of rules for the short form of the game, which it can promote itself. It would be extremely stupid for the AFL to allow a situation where someone else takes control of the short form of the game and profits from it.

 

[Garlic muncher]

Already happens. Size of ground varies number of players.
You can have kicked out/kicked in or last touched is a free kick for no ruckmen.
It's already been done on soccer, rugby and American Football grounds many times over.

Yes i know.

 

[Garlic muncher]

Just listening to last Sunday's Rub podcast.

Clear driver is getting the game played overseas, because its hard to play the full version of the game in most parts of the world: hard to get 36 players, hard to get big ovals, hard to to get 6+ officials, etc, etc.

Red is correct that there are many short forms of the game being played around the world to utilise whatever space they can find, but arguably that creates even more of a reason why the AFL should create, own and control a formal set of rules for the short form of the game, which it can promote itself. It would be extremely stupid for the AFL to allow a situation where someone else takes control of the short form of the game and profits from it.

Some bloke in WA was very upset with the AFL a couple of years ago when numerous time he submitted games that probably are very similar to what we have now, from reports he was brushed off, they also play indoor footy here in WA, Kingsway indoor sports springs to mind.

http://www.wanneroo.wa.gov.au/info/20055/kingsway_indoor_stadium/107/kingsway_adult_sports

Not sure whether they play in other places, and/if the rules are the same etc.

 

[Gigantor]

Some bloke in WA was very upset with the AFL a couple of years ago when numerous time he submitted games that probably are very similar to what we have now, from reports he was brushed off, they also play indoor footy here in WA, Kingsway indoor sports springs to mind.

http://www.wanneroo.wa.gov.au/info/20055/kingsway_indoor_stadium/107/kingsway_adult_sports

Not sure whether they play in other places, and/if the rules are the same etc.

This claim got a bit of publicity early on, but we haven't heard anything for a while.

Given a variety of short forms of the game have been played for years now overseas, I always thought it might be difficult for someone to lay claim to owning a short form of Australian football. Anyway, it makes some sense for the AFL to put an official short form of the game out there.

Another thing is that the idea of the lightning premiership has existed for decades. Generally speaking, it was played on a full sized field but with only two halves of 15 min each, or something similar. You'd have a carnival spread over a day or two. In fact, one pre-season, I'm pretty sure the AFL held a lightning premiership. The VFA used to have it back in the early to mid 70s as well.

 

[RedV3x]

Not sure whether they play in other places, and/if the rules are the same etc.

Already happens. Size of ground varies number of players.
You can have kicked out/kicked in or last touched is a free kick for no ruckmen.
There exists tackle, no tackle and flag.
There's rec footy and AFL9s.
Just choose what suits best.

the best variant I've seen is Ozball, which is a stripped down version of Australian Football.
There is a three second possession rule which simplifies umpiring immensely.
It also has IR posts so the Irish can and do join in but IR posts are not necessary .

Whatever the rules are of AFLX it doesn't matter it isn't going to alter the formats O/S.
What can alter is the potential popularity of AFLX bringing new players to the fold and follow the pathway.
The current pathway might be co-ed no tackle - Ozball - Metro9s - 18-a-side.
If you have AFLX then you still need to introduce 9-a-side for rucking and throw-in stoppages etc.

 

[TWLS]

AFL 7`s now for early 2018 according to this report. It will commence prior to the JLT Community series.
The AFL will look very closely at the format and it could end up overseas (My opinion)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-10/aflx-weekend-may-launch-2018-preseason

 

[RedV3x]

The AFL will look very closely at the format and it could end up overseas (My opinion)

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How exactly ?

 

[Gigantor]

A pre-season game in which one-third of the list gets a decent run.

 

[TWLS]

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How exactly ?

Extracted from the original 2016 article--
Lethlean said the weekend's AFL X match, run in four 10-minute quarters, had been a fast, high-intensity encounter which had left the VFL players involved exhausted.
By fielding smaller teams and playing on a soccer pitch, he said it was easier than full-scale football to take overseas and may one day form a part of the AFL's international expansion plans.

There was also mentioned in another article about possible Sponsorship of the same product -Locally and Internationally.
Does it have the potential to disrupt (Love that "in" word) AFL 9`s overseas if it comes attached with $$$$ sponsorship.
Why would they sponsor it instead of putting more money into the International game. Sometimes I think the AFL does not know what to do about the International aspect of the game.

 

[RedV3x]

Does it have the potential to disrupt (Love that "in" word) AFL 9`s overseas if it comes attached with $$$$ sponsorship.

It's not AFL9s but 9-a-side football.
Anyway, what is the mechanism for sponsorhip, of what exactly and why not 9-side ?
IMO the only benefit of AFLX is that it complements the main season.

 

[TWLS]

It's not AFL9s but 9-a-side football.
Anyway, what is the mechanism for sponsorhip, of what exactly and why not 9-side ?
IMO the only benefit of AFLX is that it complements the main season.

Gil is pushing the concept and what he says generally goes because the Commission will probably rubber stamp it.
We will have to wait until next year now to see if its a goer or not in the AFL`S eyes.
Still we cannot pick on Gil too much because he will always be remembered at the man that brought forward the AFLW concept and changed our game forever.

 

[BringBackTorps]

Gil is pushing the concept and what he says generally goes because the Commission will probably rubber stamp it.
We will have to wait until next year now to see if its a goer or not in the AFL`S eyes.
Still we cannot pick on Gil too much because he will always be remembered at the man that brought forward the AFLW concept and changed our game forever.

I am very dubious whether there is a demand/interest for full body contact 7 or 9 a-side off season GR football comps. in Aust. (excluding Gala weekends/tournaments/lightning prems. played on 1 weekend as part of pre-season training).
IMO, GR players need a physical & psychological break after a gruelling season -& the intensity/training of football. The above articles mention the 7 a-side games "had been a fast high intensity encounter which had left the VFL players involved exhausted".
GR players would not be enamoured with playing on the hard, Aust. summer grounds -more injury risks.

I think AFLX is certainly worth investigating as being beneficial in promoting AF overseas on small grounds. This might also, in the next 20-50 years, help create significant foreign media rights for the AFL comp. -a VERY worthy objective, which would strengthen AF in Australia.

I would like to see an AFL public statement & philosophy as to what are the realistic, long term objectives of promoting AF overseas. And why the AFL is providing such miniscule funding, IF the objectives are important for the game's future.

Incidentally, cricket, soccer, basketball etc have been promoting women playing their games since the 1920's-& again in recent decades.
AF authorities provided no significant financial support/encouragement for women's AF until 2012 -they generally ignored women's AF.
The AFL did a very good job with the AFLW in 2017, better late than never.

 

[RedV3x]

Gil is pushing the concept

Yes, we know all this. How is this going to impact anywhere outside of Australia, that was the original question?

 

[TWLS]

I am very dubious whether there is a demand/interest for full body contact 7 or 9 a-side off season GR football comps. in Aust. (excluding Gala weekends/tournaments/lightning prems. played on 1 weekend as part of pre-season training).
IMO, GR players need a physical & psychological break after a gruelling season -& the intensity/training of football. The above articles mention the 7 a-side games "had been a fast high intensity encounter which had left the VFL players involved exhausted".

I think AFLX is certainly worth investigating as being beneficial in promoting AF overseas on small grounds. This might also, in the next 20-50 years, help create significant foreign media rights for the AFL comp. -a VERY worthy objective, which would strengthen AF in Australia.

I would like to see an AFL public statement & philosophy as to what are the realistic, long term objectives of promoting AF overseas. And why the AFL is providing such miniscule funding, IF the objectives are important for the game's future.

Incidentally, cricket, soccer, basketball etc have been promoting women playing their games since the 1920's-& again in recent decades.
AF authorities provided no significant financial support/encouragement for women's AF until 2012 -they generally ignored women's AF.
The AFL did a very good job with the AFLW in 2017, better late than never.

As another poster on here said if it does go offshore and there is money involved the AFL will want to control it completely.
We can only ponder who in the AFL came up with the idea, and were they unhappy with the 9 a side concept that has spread far and wide offshore, or is it an opportunity to make money.
I will throw this in from left field - Live Sports on TV and on line are a huge success and the big media companies are hungry for content and are about to be joined by Amazon Video who want some of the action. Go figure. Has Gil got something up his sleeve not necessialary with Amazon - We will find out.

 

[RedV3x]

I am very dubious whether there is a demand/interest for full body contact 7 or 9 a-side off season GR football comps. in Aust..

WTF is "GR"

I think AFLX is certainly worth investigating as being beneficial in promoting AF overseas on small grounds.

How is it different to what they're doing now ?

I would like to see an AFL public statement & philosophy as to what are the realistic, long term objectives of promoting AF overseas.

Wouldn't we all.

AF authorities provided no significant financial support/encouragement for women's AF until 2012 -they generally ignored women's AF.

Yes, but there's been women playing Australian Football over 100 years.

Perth team formed in 1915.