Bluemour Discussion Thread IV

[Iamcarlton]

I doubt that, he's not going to do what Doc does in the back line. He'll provide speed out of defence which is needed but I wouldn't want us paying the Casboult compo for him. We need to keep that pick for any potential Kelly trade.

Not intended to do what doc does i wouldnt have thought . But byrne will be seen that way when fit and ready add Willamson and we are much more capable of releasing Doc to the midfield when necessary . If sos can see Saad as somewhat of an answer to the small forwards that have been cutting us up for the past 15 years im all for it . Sos may have his eyes on securing both Kelly and Saad how thats done i do not know .

 

[ferrisb]

Laughable that some people think that Saad would not be in our best 22, would walk into our side.

Having said that doubt SOS will overpay for him

Yep, SOS is waay too smaart for thaat...

 

[rp84]

Not in our best 22 is severely far-fetched.

He would enable Docherty to be a permanent elite midfielder/utility.

This is so important. Doc looks like a potential A+ midfielder. Has looked ridiculous in role recently. Gets in inside and out. If we can stock up on a running half back, we do it.

Moves our rebuild forward a decent notch.

Midfield loses Gibbs.
Gains Doc, Kelly, Hopper, LDU (I'm still big on his breakaway pace and clean hands), plus 15 mins from Fish and SPS each.

 

[rp84]

Not intended to do what doc does i wouldnt have thought . But byrne will be seen that way when fit and ready add Willamson and we are much more capable of releasing Doc to the midfield when necessary . If sos can see Saad as somewhat of an answer to the small forwards that have been cutting us up for the past 15 years im all for it . Sos may have his eyes on securing both Kelly and Saad how thats done i do not know .

I think our half backs become Saad and Byrne, with Willo playing on the wing. Perfect rangy quick player with a cannon of a left peg. Exactly the type of player you want getting the ball 70-100m out. Willo won't be a half back for long.

 

[Jorge]

This is so important. Doc looks like a potential A+ midfielder. Has looked ridiculous in role recently. Gets in inside and out. If we can stock up on a running half back, we do it.

Moves our rebuild forward a decent notch.

Midfield loses Gibbs.
Gains Doc, Kelly, Hopper, LDU (I'm still big on his breakaway pace and clean hands), plus 15 mins from Fish and SPS each.

It would give our rebuild a massive boost. Bringing in Saad would have a number of positive flow on effects.
Not sure if getting Saad, Kelly, Hopper & a top 3 pick this year whilst only losing Gibbs & Casboult is realistic though.

 

[Zlatan]

This is so important. Doc looks like a potential A+ midfielder. Has looked ridiculous in role recently. Gets in inside and out. If we can stock up on a running half back, we do it.

Moves our rebuild forward a decent notch.

Midfield loses Gibbs.
Gains Doc, Kelly, Hopper, LDU (I'm still big on his breakaway pace and clean hands), plus 15 mins from Fish and SPS each.

How do we get Kelly, Hopper and LDU (who's rated top 5 I think)? You would think any deal for Kelly and/or Hopper would involve our first pick which would be the minimum GWS would want.

 

[GapInIkonPark]

I think our half backs become Saad and Byrne, with Willo playing on the wing. Perfect rangy quick player with a cannon of a left peg. Exactly the type of player you want getting the ball 70-100m out. Willo won't be a half back for long.

Long term I see Willa on the wing and occasionally in the center square, and Doc remaining back with Byrne. Hoping to see Willa, SPS, Fisher and Charlie seriously add to our midfield depth next year. Would love to see Murphy use his run forward of center ... and Pickett and Polson buzzing around in the forward line with pace and pressure ...

 

[rp84]

How do we get Kelly, Hopper and LDU (who's rated top 5 I think)? You would think any deal for Kelly and/or Hopper would involve our first pick which would be the minimum GWS would want.

My thought is we will likely trade our 2018 first and one of the Gibbs picks (which may be the WCE first rounder and their own).

The rationale is there is a chance we get better next year. Possibly significantly better. That pick might be 5-10. There is a good chance Ben Silvagni is a top 10-20 pick. We might be better overall to use next years pick (some people say a better draft, but this happens every year- plenty to like in the top 8 this year). The Silvagni father-son pick might take our first rounder next year.

This way we get a top pick this year, get to chase Kelly and Hopper, and possibly keep pick 17-18 for ourselves (or even better, trade it for GWS 2018 first to remain in the first round after the BenSOS pick).

 

[rp84]

Long term I see Willa on the wing and occasionally in the center square, and Doc remaining back with Byrne. Hoping to see Willa, SPS, Fisher and Charlie seriously add to our midfield depth next year. Would love to see Murphy use his run forward of center ... and Pickett and Polson buzzing around in the forward line with pace and pressure ...

If we add Saad, I think that makes him and Byrne our half backs. I think Doc looks so good as a mid that it elevates our list so much more if he is getting 30 touches as a full-time mid. Has elite inside and outside talent. Two way runner.

 

[1981]

Doc is an excellent footballer and if he can play midfield then he should be migrated there.

Plowman and Marchbank are very agile for their height and I think the game has changed where these types can play rebounding defense to a degree. Add in Byrne, Willo, and maybe Sheehan , Pickett and Saad and there's more than enough reason to possibly migrate Doc to midfield

 

[Arr0w]

With all this talk about Doc remaining back or running through the midfield, just highlights his talent. My strong belief is that he will be used similar to a Goddard type. Roaming around the ground and positioning himself in areas of need, as he sees the play/game unfolding

 

[Sector 7G]

I think our half backs become Saad and Byrne, with Willo playing on the wing. Perfect rangy quick player with a cannon of a left peg. Exactly the type of player you want getting the ball 70-100m out. Willo won't be a half back for long.

Saad is poor one on one and isn't the answer for the lock down defender IMO.

I thinking his running is often over rated as he starts running with no idea where he is going and ends up slowing down play or giving the forwards no clue of where to lead.

 

[rp84]

Saad is poor one on one and isn't the answer for the lock down defender IMO.

I thinking his running is often over rated as he starts running with no idea where he is going and ends up slowing down play or giving the forwards no clue of where to lead.

Not sure he needs to be a lock down small. Byrne was getting better defensively prior to injury. He would play on their no1 small, IMO.

Saad is playing for a shit team, in a shit system.

Once we train the gold coast out of him and he knows where to run/kick in our structure it could be outstanding. We need a couple players with elite pace. Really only have Pickett at the moment, IMO. Imagine our chip-chip game to the wing then Saad gliding past to break some lines on the link-up handball.

SOS wouldnt be looking at him if he thought he was no good. I would suggest he sees our need to add one player with elite pace to our defence, midfield, and forward line. I would think we need the option to change our gears in an attacking sense, and adding pace in each section of the ground can do that.

 

[chelseacarlton]

Ok
I'm here to apologise and admit I was wrrr...rrrr....rrrong!
I believe it was HARKER or maybe mediumsizered that I argued with concerning Steven Trigg and his standing in the game and his appointment at our club.
I was and am listening to him on SEN.
He is a pretty remarkable speaker and quality mind regarding football across all facets of the game and the CFC.
He's obviously been an enormous part of the engine that has put our club back on the correct path.
So I stand corrected in my initial skepticism and cynicism of the man and am here to hang my head and admit I was absolutely wrong!!

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

We have plenty of half back flankers. What we lack is quick half forwards who take the game on, that is, are prepared to run offensively at teams, take a bounce and go for the big sticks. If he is suitable yes to Saad otherwise we have other holes to fill in our playing list.

This is going to be less popular then when someone suggested Saad wouldn't be best 22 but I would be more then happy for us to chase Motlop. Yes I know.
I would back Bolton to get the best out of him and he is a 20 possession one or two goal player.
He is better at what he does then anyone we have on our list.
He has at least five years of footy left in him.
We get a guaranteed best 22 player which keeps our momentum of improving going.
He only cost salary cap room and he is one of the only young FA I can think of who you wouldn't have to over pay to get him here.

 

[rp84]

This is going to be less popular then when someone suggested Saad wouldn't be best 22 but I would be more then happy for us to chase Motlop. Yes I know.
I would back Bolton to get the best out of him and he is a 20 possession one or two goal player.
He is better at what he does then anyone we have on our list.
He has at least five years of footy left in him.
We get a guaranteed best 22 player which keeps our momentum of improving going.
He only cost salary cap room and he is one of the only young FA I can think of who you wouldn't have to over pay to get him here.

Soft as fairy floss.

 

[Burgers45]

My interpretation of Trigg's comment on SEN is that they will go to the draft, and only trade for a young player from another club if he is, quote, "an exceptual player." unquote. Sounds like Kelly, Hopper, etc are definately in the mix.
Would like to keep Gibbs, believes his persnal reasons for moving last year, have changed in the clubs favour. Likely to stay.

 

[DirkDiggler]

Reckon you've just described Pickett .
Let's give him this year to get his body right and regain full confidence in it , then , following a full pre season over the summer , we'll unleash another weapon next year !!

Yes Pickett would be ideal but with the game moving towards faster smaller forwards, we need several of these type of players. Wouldn't mind SOS having a look at Matera. I want forwards who are prepared to put up their hand and finish off their good work rather than look to their team mates.

Dirk

 

[Red Bull]

Yes Pickett would be ideal but with the game moving towards faster smaller forwards, we need several of these type of players. Wouldn't mind SOS having a look at Matera. I want forwards who are prepared to put up their hand and finish off their good work rather than look to their team mates.

Dirk

What do you think of Minchington from the Saints ?
Heard a whisper that we may have been interested but i believe he may have damaged an ankle so not sure where that may stand now ...

 

[HARKER]

My interpretation of Trigg's comment on SEN is that they will go to the draft, and only trade for a young player from another club if he is, quote, "an exceptual player." unquote. Sounds like Kelly, Hopper, etc are definately in the mix.
Would like to keep Gibbs, believes his persnal reasons for moving last year, have changed in the clubs favour. Likely to stay.

Trigg has not wavered away what he has been saying all year and there are really no reasons not to believe him.
Having said that though, just because we want a player won't always get us that player, but the work done in this Bolton/SOS/Trigg era can only hold us in good stead. It's weird being a destiny club, whilst sitting near the bottom of the table. Outstanding work done by the CFC and all the small things have become a part of the bigger and much more desirable whole.

 

[walshy93]

People who are saying Saad wouldn't slot into our 22 (yes, including the four bench spots) need to watch more footy.

He's the sort of player we are crying out for, because our current gameplan reflects the people we have on the paddock. Not slow, but not dynamic with ball in hand.

We're currently the league's worst side for handballs, and with a linebreaker like Saad, who loves to zip and handball, we would instantly become more agile, unpredictable and damaging. For a low-risk pick, it would honestly be a no-brainer.

 

[rog1995]

This is so important. Doc looks like a potential A+ midfielder. Has looked ridiculous in role recently. Gets in inside and out. If we can stock up on a running half back, we do it.

Moves our rebuild forward a decent notch.

Midfield loses Gibbs.
Gains Doc, Kelly, Hopper, LDU (I'm still big on his breakaway pace and clean hands), plus 15 mins from Fish and SPS each.

How are we going to keep our first pick this year and get, Kelly & Hopper? Need to be realistic.

 

[Red Bull]

My interpretation of Trigg's comment on SEN is that they will go to the draft, and only trade for a young player from another club if he is, quote, "an exceptual player." unquote. Sounds like Kelly, Hopper, etc are definately in the mix.
Would like to keep Gibbs, believes his persnal reasons for moving last year, have changed in the clubs favour. Likely to stay.

My take was :
Unless the likes of Kelly/Hopper can be attained (which he didn't rule out) it's off to the draft again .
Towed the party line on Gibbs staying but i felt if his departure were to unlock the above mentioned , it might very well happen .
Reckon Casboult is gone under FA and no doubt the compo pick will be a card in the hand Silvagni plays during trade week .

 

[omdd]

People who are saying Saad wouldn't slot into our 22 (yes, including the four bench spots) need to watch more footy.

He's the sort of player we are crying out for, because our current gameplan reflects the people we have on the paddock. Not slow, but not dynamic with ball in hand.

We're currently the league's worst side for handballs, and with a linebreaker like Saad, who loves to zip and handball, we would instantly become more agile, unpredictable and damaging. For a low-risk pick, it would honestly be a no-brainer.

Yep I agree he's incredibly underappreciated on this board I suspect the only time most people have watched him is the few games he's played against us which weren't his best.

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[HARKER]

We're currently the league's worst side for handballs, and with a linebreaker like Saad, who loves to zip and handball, we would instantly become more agile, unpredictable and damaging. For a low-risk pick, it would honestly be a no-brainer.

What's that low-risk pick going to be?
It may take the Casboult compo pick to get it done and even then.....why should GC bend over?

I'm not as convinced by Saad as many here seem to be, but I put my hand up to say I haven't watched anywhere near enough GC games.
We do need someone like Saad no doubt, but can we achieve that by trying some from within? Pickett obviously.

SOS trips to GC may have more to do with someone else other than Saad. Maybe.