Solved Martin Bryant and Port Arthur

[Dan Baker]

Your own screenshot answers your question on if he had a license or not so what's the point of asking it?

No he didn't, but restrictions on firearms were also a lot more lax before Port Arthur also.

The only silver lining of that dreadful day was that obtaining guns in this country are now a lot harder and there's been no mass shooting since then.

Compare this to the US who's gun laws are well known and a simple Dallas Cowboys watching party the other day resulted in 8 people shot dead after a disagreement. I will repeat, 8 people shot dead over a disagreement on a football game, be glad Australia doesn't have that same gun culture which allows easy access.

Yep, thats exactly right. But Britain has tighter laws than Australia, and a child was shot dead in Britain only last week.

In the same country, multiple people were run down deliberately by a car and killed weeks ago.

Boof head criminal from Tasmania stabbed a couple of people before shooting people with an unlicenced weapon..

Apparently my sources are not credible source to you all. Im asking for other people to show sources. No one will answer that. They all read the books, but no one will answer.

I will give people a couple of hours to gather their answers instead pick the eyeballs out of what I say.

Wait till you hear about the country source of the firearm, if anyone can find a source for a firearm used in a massacre which shows an absolute failure across multiple government departments for a 'criminal' that stabbed and shot multiple people in Tasmania.

 

[kane249]

Yep, thats exactly right. But Britain has tighter laws than Australia, and a child was shot dead in Britain only last week.

In the same country, multiple people were run down deliberately by a car weeks ago.

Boof head criminal from Tasmania stabbed a couple of people before shooting people with an unlicenced weapon..

Apparently my sources are not credible source to you all. Im asking for other people to show sources. No one will answer that. They all read the books, but no one will answer.

I will give people a couple of hours to gather their answers instead pick the eyeballs out of what I say.

I think you might be better off in this thread
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/martin-bryant-and-port-arthur-conspiracy-or-cheddar.983512/

 

[sprockets]

1. Where does Terry Hills or his purchase records say he got the rifle from? Brand spanking new? If it's the same weapon it was at least 3rd hand. $5500? Is that the price of a new one or a 3rd hand one? Is that how much Bryant paid for it?

2. It seems Bryant didn't have a licence. So what? The dealer is at fault as well as Bryant. What else does it show? Nothing.

3. The mark. The mark was described to the alleged 'previous owner' by someone else. AFAIK he didn't actually see the weapon. What was the mark? Was it just a scratch that could be on any number of weapons? The barrel is scratched = it MUST be the same weapon, right? Maybe the guy that put his mark on the barrel puts it on all of his weapons and this wasn't the only AR15 he'd had in his possession. Very conceivable considering an AR15 would only go through particular hands, and especially considering the serial numbers were so close. How did the police and the 'previous owner' come into contact with each other for the police person to describe it to him? Did he ring them up with a 'pre-conceived theory' that the gun was the one he handed in to police? He's apparently from a 'respected' family. So what? That means he's not a nutter? He owned an AR15...

All of those questions will have been answered to the satisfaction of those that matter. Just because internet people don't know the answers doesn't mean it's a cover-up.

 

[Dan Baker]

1. Where does Terry Hills or his purchase records say he got the rifle from? Brand spanking new? If it's the same weapon it was at least 3rd hand. $5500? Is that the price of a new one or a 3rd hand one? Is that how much Bryant paid for it?

2. It seems Bryant didn't have a licence. So what? The dealer is at fault as well as Bryant. What else does it show? Nothing.

3. The mark. The mark was described to the alleged 'previous owner' by someone else. AFAIK he didn't actually see the weapon. What was the mark? Was it just a scratch that could be on any number of weapons? The barrel is scratched = it MUST be the same weapon, right? Maybe the guy that put his mark on the barrel puts it on all of his weapons and this wasn't the only AR15 he'd had in his possession. Very conceivable considering an AR15 would only go through particular hands, and especially considering the serial numbers were so close. How did the police and the 'previous owner' come into contact with each other for the police person to describe it to him? Did he ring them up with a 'pre-conceived theory' that the gun was the one he handed in to police? He's apparently from a 'respected' family. So what? That means he's not a nutter? He owned an AR15...

All of those questions will have been answered to the satisfaction of those that matter. Just because internet people don't know the answers doesn't mean it's a cover-up.

1. $5000+ cash! was the price Bryant was charged for a brand new or reconditioned high powered AR15

2. Not being a licenced fire arm holder makes you a criminal just like the other criminals, not a recreational shooter. That makes Bryant a criminal before he started shooting.

3. Yes, apparently the farmer did inspect the firearm. Its there somewhere with the Victorian farmer in dialogue with the police officer. Yes it also had the same scope.

Personally, I think there was probably a lack of procedure in the firearm destruction framework. But a serial number should show how the firearm entered the country. If they cant trace back the serial number of the firearm, then there's a problem with policing at Howards federal level.

This shows that while this had nothing to do with a legal firearm, and poor policy and procedure implemented by Howard who was cutting back on customs border budgets.

That the taxpayer paid a hefty price for an upgrade for many in firearms where there is more than ever now.

This means that while this had nothing to do with a licensed fire arm holder, the only people punished, were recreational shooters who had nothing to do with this crime as John Howard outset to deflect culpability of his incompetence.

While boofhead sought vengeance by stabbing the people who hoodwinked his father that lead to his fathers suicide; the whole supply chain was criminal. No licence would have stopped this act of sickening violence as the firearm was purchased under the table.

****face was unlicenced, so that makes the firearm illegal, and the ammunition illegal.

Meahwhile ****face is seeing his days out with a roof over his head, playing Xbox with 3 meals a day while we scratch out a living for our kids and the rest has all gone hush hush.

Meanwhile we have no online evidence of a traced high powered custom AR15 firearm where there will be lucky to be 5 in the country. No one can tell me country of origin.

If Howard had no way of tracing a high powered automatic weapon. That makes Howard morally culpable, not recreational shooters where a licence framework has not prevented this crime. That is sowhat.

This is the same John Howard that charges a $100000 each time he goes on TV to talk about this travesty. Meanwhile big ears cut the budget of customs where the source of danger comes from.

 

[Dan Baker]

While legal firearms holders have handed in their firearms for destruction, the criminals have been gearing up. John Howard has been cashing in on massacre.

So tell me how taking firearms off legal firearm owners is going to change anything?

Up to 20 AR-15 rifles, the make and model used in the Port Arthur massacre, have been found along with five hand guns and varying calibres of ammunition at a residence south of Port Macquarie.

In Sydney detectives discovered 20,000 bullets and casings, a semi-automatic pistol and additional parts for AR-15 assault rifles.

https://www.northernstar.com.au/news/police-bust-firearms-supply-chain/1343471/

 

[MisterMarcus]

Just keep shouting keywords like Tin Foil Hat and Conspiracy, that seems to work

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

ONE farmer is making a claim that he THINKS the rifle has a similar marking and serial number to his. This is not 'extraordinary proof'.

 

[kane249]

2. Not being a licenced fire arm holder makes you a criminal just like the other criminals, not a recreational shooter. That makes Bryant a criminal before he started shooting.

Just add it on to the 35 life sentences + 1035 years he's serving on his current conviction.

 

[sprockets]

1. $5000+ cash! was the price Bryant was charged for a brand new or reconditioned high powered AR15 ...

So you don't know if the weapon was brand new or reconditioned now? You've stated it was the one handed in by the farmer but also that it was brand new. It can't be both.

You also state that

... Meanwhile we have no online evidence of a traced high powered custom AR15 firearm where there will be lucky to be 5 in the country. No one can tell me country of origin. ...

Yet the article you quote in the next posts states

"Up to 20 AR-15 rifles, the make and model used in the Port Arthur massacre, have been found along with five hand guns and varying calibres of ammunition at a residence south of Port Macquarie."

And that's just the ones that were found at ONE residence. How many there are in the country would be a guess and probably a wild guess at that.

... Yes, apparently the farmer did inspect the firearm. Its there somewhere with the Victorian farmer in dialogue with the police officer. Yes it also had the same scope. ...

Source?

 

[Dan Baker]

Yeah, no one has the answers.... That's the bit that matters

 

[Dan Baker]

So you don't know if the weapon was brand new or reconditioned now? You've stated it was the one handed in by the farmer but also that it was brand new. It can't be both.

You also state that

Yet the article you quote in the next posts states

"Up to 20 AR-15 rifles, the make and model used in the Port Arthur massacre, have been found along with five hand guns and varying calibres of ammunition at a residence south of Port Macquarie."

And that's just the ones that were found at ONE residence. How many there are in the country would be a guess and probably a wild guess at that.
Source?

Yeah,I said put the sources aside,apart from the several previous statements proving the media has deleted much of what they published.

Yeah, the importer knows how many rare as hens teeth custom AR15s he brought in. But does Terry Hill know where his firearm come from?
No one has receipts. Govt obviously doesn't know, or it hasn't been published.

Criminals arent recreational shooters just as much as poachers taking illegal marine life etc. They are just criminals and licences arent going to solve that and as you can see, now there is a truck load of AR15S coming in after John Howard cut the budget,

Do I have to ask the crucial questions again putting sources behind? Or are we going to dodge the crucial points that no one seems to know, where the source the firearm was? Noone knows the source the supply chain a high powered weapon that was used in a massacre by a criminal.

The only people punished were recreational shooters not responsible for this disaster. Government failure deflected by John Howard who makes a $100000 out of a massacre every time he goes on TV.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
ONE farmer is making a claim that he THINKS the rifle has a similar marking and serial number to his. This is not 'extraordinary proof'.

You cant discredit his claim. Im sure the farmer is not excited about being in the public eye, and the government doesn't know the supply chain, but the firearm has a serial number.
None of you have anything to back up otherwise. Where did the gun come from?

 

[Dan Baker]

No one knows where the source of the firearm came for one of the biggest massacres in Australia. And John Howard deflects the blame on recreational shooters that have no involvement. He was a criminal before he pulled the trigger.

 

[yodellinhank]

No one knows where the source of the firearm came for one of the biggest massacres in Australia. And John Howard deflects the blame on recreational shooters that have no involvement. He was a criminal before he pulled the trigger.

Sounds like we needed tougher regulations.

 

[Dan Baker]

Forget the farmer, forget all the other Australian media sources. Ill say it again.

Where did the firearm come from?

We know Bryant paid $5000+ cash for an unlicenced firearm.

 

[Dan Baker]

Sounds like we needed tougher regulations.

We don't need tougher regs. Regulations are useless waste of time when John Howard cut the budget on customs. As you didnt read, there is more AR15s coming in illegally. Obviously just trolling and not reading.

Regulations do nothing to stop illegal firearms that were used in the biggest massacre Australia saw..

Wait till you see where the firearm came from. Find a source, if you all think regs are the problem.

 

[kane249]

We don't need tougher regs. Regulations are useless waste of time when John Howard cut the budget on customs. As you didnt read, there is more AR15s coming in illegally. Obviously just trolling and not reading.

Regulations do nothing to stop illegal firearms that were used in the biggest massacre Australia saw..

Wait till you see where the firearm came from. Find a source, if you all think regs are the problem.

So what is your point in all this? Are you suggesting they be made legal again?

 

[yodellinhank]

We don't need tougher regs. Regulations are useless waste of time when John Howard cut the budget on customs. As you didnt read, there is more AR15s coming in illegally. Obviously just trolling and not reading.

Regulations do nothing to stop illegal firearms that were used in the biggest massacre Australia saw..

Wait till you see where the firearm came from. Find a source, if you all think regs are the problem.

You want less accountability so there is more accountability?

 

[sprockets]

Yeah,I said put the sources aside,apart from the several previous statements proving the media has deleted much of what they published.

Yeah, the importer knows how many rare as hens teeth custom AR15s he brought in. But does Terry Hill know where his firearm come from?
No one has receipts. Govt obviously doesn't know, or it hasn't been published.

Criminals arent recreational shooters just as much as poachers taking illegal marine life etc. They are just criminals and licences arent going to solve that and as you can see, now there is a truck load of AR15S coming in after John Howard cut the budget,

Do I have to ask the crucial questions again putting sources behind? Or are we going to dodge the crucial points that no one seems to know, where the source the firearm was? Noone knows the source the supply chain a high powered weapon that was used in a massacre by a criminal.

The only people punished were recreational shooters not responsible for this disaster. Government failure deflected by John Howard who makes a $100000 out of a massacre every time he goes on TV.



You cant discredit his claim. Im sure the farmer is not excited about being in the public eye, and the government doesn't know the supply chain, but the firearm has a serial number.
None of you have anything to back up otherwise. Where did the gun come from?

1. "apart from the several previous statements proving the media has deleted much of what they published" - how does anything you've posted prove anything has been deleted?

2. "Do I have to ask the crucial questions again putting sources behind?" - The 'source' is the link that YOU put up, the same source that YOU used to bolster your argument.

3. "Noone knows the source the supply chain a high powered weapon that was used in a massacre by a criminal." - No, YOU don't know. The police/government probably does.

4. "You cant discredit his claim. Im sure the farmer is not excited about being in the public eye" - He may or may not be excited, you don't know, but what makes you think the government/police are excited about lying to the public? Plenty of people are excited at seeing their name in the paper.

5. "and the government doesn't know the supply chain, but the firearm has a serial number" - You have no idea if they do or don't.

6. "None of you have anything to back up otherwise. Where did the gun come from?" - None of us have made any claim about where the gun came from, you're the only one who has.

 

[Dan Baker]

I want government accountable for failing in being able to tell us where this firearm came from.

I dont want less accountability. Im happy with it. None of you have answered the question. You have no argument because you dont know what you are talking about.

 

[Dan Baker]

1. "apart from the several previous statements proving the media has deleted much of what they published" - how does anything you've posted prove anything has been deleted?

2. "Do I have to ask the crucial questions again putting sources behind?" - The 'source' is the link that YOU put up, the same source that YOU used to bolster your argument.

3. "Noone knows the source the supply chain a high powered weapon that was used in a massacre by a criminal." - No, YOU don't know. The police/government probably does.

4. "You cant discredit his claim. Im sure the farmer is not excited about being in the public eye" - He may or may not be excited, you don't know, but what makes you think the government/police are excited about lying to the public?

5. "and the government doesn't know the supply chain, but the firearm has a serial number" - You have no idea if they do or don't.

6. "None of you have anything to back up otherwise. Where did the gun come from?" - None of us have made any claim about where the gun came from, you're the only one who has.

Youve done it again. Without the source of the firearm, you have no argument. You have nothing to prove your argument.

Here's a tip, the firearm came from a country with one of the strictest firearm laws in the world at the time. You find out where it came from.

You have done nothing.

 

[Dan Baker]

1. What we know is regulations couldn't stop this massacre by a criminal.

2. Government failed in its duty to provide an audit trail of a serial number fire arm. uID says the manufacturer knows who they sold the custom fire arm too. The serial number for the legitimate farmers firearm is incredibly close to the firearm used in the criminal massacre.

3. John Howards budget cuts of Government Policing & Customs, has seen more illegal AR15s flood in than ever.

4. Recreational shooters were punished by Howard. Recreational shooters had nothing to do with this crime.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-...lice-bust-us-linked-weapons-syndicate/7809346

 

[yodellinhank]

1. What we know is regulations couldn't stop this massacre by a criminal.

2. Government failed in its duty to provide an audit trail of a serial number fire arm. uID says the manufacturer knows who they sold the custom fire arm too. The serial number for the legitimate farmers firearm is incredibly close to the firearm used in the criminal massacre.

3. John Howards budget cuts of Government Policing & Customs, has seen more illegal AR15s flood in than ever.

4. Recreational shooters were punished by Howard. Recreational shooters had nothing to do with this crime.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-...lice-bust-us-linked-weapons-syndicate/7809346

Yes good stuff dan.

"I think the really important point to this is that we've closed down the pipeline, both here and the United States," he said.

 

[Dan Baker]

Biggest massacre in Australia. No one has any transparency on the supply chain with an almost identical serial number to the farmer.

The supply chain was illegal, the procurement was illegal, the shooter a criminal before he got in the car.

What happens when the source for everything is either deleted or non existent. There's your anti matter, proof of a cover up.

 

[Dan Baker]

1. What we know is regulations couldn't and wouldn't stop this massacre by a criminal. An unlicenced criminal before he left home. The firearm bought for $5000+ cash.

2. Government failed in its duty to provide an audit trail of a serial number fire arm. uID says the manufacturer knows who they sold the custom fire arm to. The serial number for the legitimate farmers firearm is incredibly close to the firearm used in the criminal massacre.

3. John Howards budget cuts of Government Policing & Customs, has seen more illegal AR15s flood in than ever.

4. Recreational shooters were punished by Howard. Recreational shooters had nothing to do with this crime.

5. There is literally no sources left for the largest massacre in the country, albeit residual legitimate quotes in this thread to credible sources which have been covered up by deletion.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-...lice-bust-us-linked-weapons-syndicate/7809346

 

[Kurve]

This thread having had a decent break after being derailed by ridiculous and offensive conspiracy theories, is now reopened. Let's see how we go this time.

 

[Kurve]

For Stan. I'll be checking in for this.


Under the working title Nitram (Martin spelt backwards), it has been shooting for three weeks. It is understood the producers opted to shoot in Victoria rather than Tasmania for fear the subject matter would still prove too sensitive for the state where Bryant went on his murderous rampage at the age of 29.

Though details are still under wraps, this masthead understands the film does not depict any of the murders, but rather focuses on the events leading up to the day in a bid to understand the factors that led to the development of a mass killer.

Snowtown director making movie about Port Arthur mass killer Martin Bryant

The troubled upbringing of Australia's worst serial killer is the subject of a new movie from director Justin Kurzel.

www.smh.com.au