The worst premiership coach since 2000

[PenfoldsFan]

What?

The Taylor thing broke down THEN succeeded. His first seven games produced 2 goals. His next 12 produced 18.

In the PF Dangerfield had 3 shots on goal in the first 40 minutes of the game. Guess what happened a week earlier against Sydney? Yep. 3 shots in the first 40 minutes.

For years Scott has had this stupid ‘no plan b’ thing hanging around his neck, yet if anything it’s a strength. While we get jumped as much as the next team, I can’t remember ever watching an afl team find ways with the regularity that we do, to stop whatever it is that’s going wrong. The knock on him is that in some cases either a) we absorb so much damage when plan A isn’t working that we literally are too far behind to work our way back, or b) he’s too reluctant to put plan B into action.

It’s evidenced by 5 losses over 50 points in 7 years (two of them by 50 and 51 I might add). That tells you that when we are losing, we at least find a way to stem the tide, a fairly good mark of a coach who can find alternative game plans.

If you go into any game with a plan of how you were going to win you aren't giving enough credit to the opposition, how can game plan a work if the opposition don't let you play it.
The key is to go in with a basic defensive mindset and adapt to the oppositions moves, a reactive approach.
Look at Ports last qtr in the 2014 PF, Clarko didn't expect Port to charge from the back of the square as it isn't something that is done regularly, we didn't just do it from the first kick, we did it when we knew Hawthorn weren't expecting it and it almost worked.
Phil Walsh was a master tactician much like Clarko.

With all the talk of Danger starting forward or centre in the lead up to that game I would have played him in defence to A, throw a curve ball at Pyke and B, to nullify Adelaide's attack like Rance did on GF day, the man can take contested marks flat footed and has the speed and reach to spoil leads, then when things weren't working for Adelaide, throw him in the middle to get the ball moving the other way.
You don't win finals in the first 10 minutes as Adelaide discovered on Saturday.
Richmond didn't win the GF because they're a better side, they won because they weathered the storm.

 

[HairyO]

Everyone: Geelong is a two man team.
Everyone: Geelong’s list is s**t.
Everyone: Geelong’s recruits are duds.
Everyone: Geelong keeps recruiting guns.
Everyone: Scott can’t coach.

Don’t really see how the maths add up here.

Because he ditched the good players.

Just like Buckley.

 

[Whiskers]

What is Hardwick vs Scott H2H?

 

[Mal12]

Got a better reason?

The wider Afl base needs to make up its mind.

Either our list is s**t - which everyone keeps saying, and to keep making prelims and top 4 every year is a coaching masterpiece, or Scott is toilet, which everyone keeps saying, and somehow he is acting as a tremendous drag factor to players who would be superstars under any other coach, like Smith, Stanley, Thurlow, Motlop, Blicavs, Menegola, Scott Selwood, Daniel Menzel, Jake Kolojadshnij, Parfitt, Guthrie, Horlin-Smith etc.

Which is it?

man geelong is s**t and scott sucks. period.

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

Whoever voted for Luke Beveridge get your head out of the sand

-he took a team that was looking to finish bottom 4 , and nearly made top4 the following season.
-2016 injuries galore and made top8 comfortably , finished with 15 wins

And IMO not biased produced one of, if not the greatest premiership in AFL/VFL history

 

[Aramis]

Chris Scott by the stretch of the Flemington straight, inherited a team that coached themselves.

 

[captain blood 17]

What is Hardwick vs Scott H2H?

Irrelevant. You play those games and it turns into a shitfight of how did you go last game? Not what the op is about.


Sent from my iPad using righteous man power

 

[thecatattack]

Because he ditched the good players.

Just like Buckley.

The only player that has really shown a lot after leaving Geelong was Kelly.

And that was after years of decline and then popped up for 1 really nice season at Essendon before he dropped off again.

 

[thecatattack]

Chris Scott by the stretch of the Flemington straight, inherited a team that coached themselves.

Inherited a team that was down 80+ in the 3rd quarter of a prelim then lost it's player, that he then took to a flag?

Since winning that flag 18 players have left the club too yet we're still always a top 4 team.

 

[PhatBoy]

If you go into any game with a plan of how you were going to win you aren't giving enough credit to the opposition, how can game plan a work if the opposition don't let you play it.
The key is to go in with a basic defensive mindset and adapt to the oppositions moves, a reactive approach.
Look at Ports last qtr in the 2014 PF, Clarko didn't expect Port to charge from the back of the square as it isn't something that is done regularly, we didn't just do it from the first kick, we did it when we knew Hawthorn weren't expecting it and it almost worked.
Phil Walsh was a master tactician much like Clarko.

With all the talk of Danger starting forward or centre in the lead up to that game I would have played him in defence to A, throw a curve ball at Pyke and B, to nullify Adelaide's attack like Rance did on GF day, the man can take contested marks flat footed and has the speed and reach to spoil leads, then when things weren't working for Adelaide, throw him in the middle to get the ball moving the other way.
You don't win finals in the first 10 minutes as Adelaide discovered on Saturday.
Richmond didn't win the GF because they're a better side, they won because they weathered the storm.

Any points you may have had that were steeped in validity, were nullified by:

Using the phrase ‘you don’t win finals in the first 10 minutes’ whilst debating Geelong’s loss to Adelaide.

 

[PhatBoy]

man geelong is s**t and scott sucks. period.

We finished third.

Just because your team, after nearly 4 decades of producing more s**t than the sewer pipes at Bondi, has deservedly won something, doesn’t render literally every other team in the comp as garbage mate.

 

[PhatBoy]

Because he ditched the good players.

Just like Buckley.

As someone else pointed out, he ditched Kelly. That’s it. The only other player who was still playing good footy at the end was Enright and he retired of his own volition.

I’d love to see this list of apparent guns (as in ‘they were still guns’) that he’s jettisoned.

 

[Aramis]

Inherited a team that was down 80+ in the 3rd quarter of a prelim then lost it's player, that he then took to a flag?

Since winning that flag 18 players have left the club too yet we're still always a top 4 team.

You're not a top 4 team, you're a team that happens to make the top 4 due to playing on the auskick sized ground. No surprise you keep getting found out in finals...

 

[The Blue Baggers]

Voted Roos , he'd be happy to win a game with 1 goal if the opposition scored 0 !!

 

[fumbler]

Some Crows supporters are mad at Chocco

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Any points you may have had that were steeped in validity, were nullified by:

Using the phrase ‘you don’t win finals in the first 10 minutes’ whilst debating Geelong’s loss to Adelaide.

Lol, let me spell it out for you, you don't win finals in the first 10 minutes unless your opposition is so into themselves that they don't rate you.
The media made such a fuss about where Danger would start that CS thought the answer to winning the game rested on what HE did with Danger, that's arrogance and because he thought the game rested on his decision making alone, he was behind the 8 ball before the first bounce.
When it didn't unfold the way he perceived, he had nothing and sat in the box dumbfounded.

Sports psychology 101.

 

[PhatBoy]

Lol, let me spell it out for you, you don't win finals in the first 10 minutes unless your opposition is so into themselves that they don't rate you.
The media made such a fuss about where Danger would start that CS thought the answer to winning the game rested on what HE did with Danger, that's arrogance and because he thought the game rested on his decision making alone, he was behind the 8 ball before the first bounce.
When it didn't unfold the way he perceived, he had nothing and sat in the box dumbfounded.

Sports psychology 101.

Yes it was arrogance.

It wasn’t ‘our best chance of kicking goals is through the guy who kicked a bagful last week.’ It was arrogance.

F*** me there are a lot of things I hate about modern sports analysis but the idea that some no-name from nowhere (I’m one as well) knows exactly what someone is thinking when they make a decision and why they make it is at the top of the list.

Like the dickheads that accuse someone of playing arrogant shots in cricket when in reality they’ve just frozen and had a brain melt - really, how does anyone bar the person themselves know?

 

[thecatattack]

You're not a top 4 team, you're a team that happens to make the top 4 due to playing on the auskick sized ground. No surprise you keep getting found out in finals...

No, we're a top 4 team. We finish top 4 during the season, we make the prelim most years. We're a top 4 team.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Yes it was arrogance.

It wasn’t ‘our best chance of kicking goals is through the guy who kicked a bagful last week.’ It was arrogance.

F*** me there are a lot of things I hate about modern sports analysis but the idea that some no-name from nowhere (I’m one as well) knows exactly what someone is thinking when they make a decision and why they make it is at the top of the list.

Like the dickheads that accuse someone of playing arrogant shots in cricket when in reality they’ve just frozen and had a brain melt - really, how does anyone bar the person themselves know?

If you give people the right tools, they will hang themselves, that my friend is beating someone between the ears.
when you're talking elite sports like the AFL where all teams play under the same cap, with the same training regimes, the only thing left to chance is the mental aspect. 10% of sport is ability, 90% between the ears, underestimate it at your peril.
Lets look at Geelong for example, after thumping Port by 119pts in that final two things happened, the Geelong football club became confident and the rest of the league became mentally scarred, no one expected to beat you guys and you rode that wave for years.
Brisbane rode it too, and lets not forget how they overcame the issue of Essendon's dominance, if it bleeds we can kill it, that's psychology.
I think anyone who watches football would attest to switching on a Geelong game and not wondering who would win, but by what margin you would win by, that's a psychological barrier, if you think it only affects the punters you're wrong.
Take the Crows stance for another example, all they did was stand there, never said a word yet every man and their dog were talking about it, that's a psychological edge, not because it was going to alter the results but because it drew attention from the more important issues.
Do you think where Danger started would ultimately affect the result one way or another, nope, what it did was take CS attention off the rest of the team and make him 1 dimensional in his approach to the game.

 

[Leeda]

don't get it..the longest time spent as coach before you snag a title, or the lowest game winning score average before you win the big one.
or else you have the greatest number of injured players in your top 22 or even that you have a larger ratio of top ranked players out of your team over
a season..

worst is worst when you categorise the various ways you can be the worst.

or even it can be as banal as the most hated personality of all coaches.

sheesh what a stupid thread.

 

[PhatBoy]

You're not a top 4 team, you're a team that happens to make the top 4 due to playing on the auskick sized ground. No surprise you keep getting found out in finals...

How the f*** would a Hawks fan know what our ground looks like

 

[PhatBoy]

If you give people the right tools, they will hang themselves, that my friend is beating someone between the ears.
when you're talking elite sports like the AFL where all teams play under the same cap, with the same training regimes, the only thing left to chance is the mental aspect. 10% of sport is ability, 90% between the ears, underestimate it at your peril.
Lets look at Geelong for example, after thumping Port by 119pts in that final two things happened, the Geelong football club became confident and the rest of the league became mentally scarred, no one expected to beat you guys and you rode that wave for years.
Brisbane rode it too, and lets not forget how they overcame the issue of Essendon's dominance, if it bleeds we can kill it, that's psychology.
I think anyone who watches football would attest to switching on a Geelong game and not wondering who would win, but by what margin you would win by, that's a psychological barrier, if you think it only affects the punters you're wrong.
Take the Crows stance for another example, all they did was stand there, never said a word yet every man and their dog were talking about it, that's a psychological edge, not because it was going to alter the results but because it drew attention from the more important issues.
Do you think where Danger started would ultimately affect the result one way or another, nope, what it did was take CS attention off the rest of the team and make him 1 dimensional in his approach to the game.

We rode the wave for less than a year before Hawthorn beat us in a grand final.

FMD.

 

[Aramis]

How the f*** would a Hawks fan know what our ground looks like

By doing a quick google search? 21st century pal.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

We rode the wave for less than a year before Hawthorn beat us in a grand final.

FMD.

That's 1 game, how many before they beat you again?
It was an upset in that no one expected it, probably even your team, that's psychology too.

You're doing it right now, you ignored the important parts of my post and fixated on what you could nit pick from it, 1 game..lol
I put it in there for you.

 

[PhatBoy]

By doing a quick google search? 21st century pal.

Good, so you can work out that the dimensions of the Adelaide Oval and Subiaco are virtually identical.