That's what I guessed.
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That's what I guessed.
Looking at that list I would be pretty confident that one of Bonar, Clark or Brayshaw would slip to pick 12.
Picks 12 and 18 are worth 2253 points, pick 7 is worth 1644, you would think the Saints would be very open to that sort of deal.
Scenario 1- Go to the draft with picks 1, 12, 18 and 19, we just got to hope no one bids on Ballenden before 18.
Scenario 2- Go to the draft with picks 1, 7 and 19, again hoping for no Ballenden bid.
Personally I would prefer scenario 1.
Trade picks 12 & 19 (2216pts) for Picks 7, 43, 57 (2204pts).
Use pick 18 for Cameron.
Leaves us 1 & 7 for 2 players we want/need and have picks 41 and 43 (790 points combined) for Ballenden.
Other options to get 2 picks in the top 10.
- Trade picks 12 & 18 (2253) to WB for picks 9 & 26 (2198)
- Trade picks 12 & 18 (2253) to COLL for picks 6 & 36 (2253)
- Trade picks 12 & 18 (2253) to Frem for picks 5 & 40 (2307)
A "no talls taken" top 10 really impacts the value of our pick 12 to us. Ideally for us, the likes of Fogarty, Hayes, Bander and Naughton are all gone prior to pick 12.
A somewhat random "no tall" top 10 could look something like this?
1. LDU
2. Dow
3. Rayner
4. Stephenson
5. Cerra
6. Coffield
7. Brayshaw
8. Higgins
9. Clark
10. Bonar
It doesn't leave us completely bereft of options at pick 12, depending on what we perceive we need and who we like. But, ideally, teams like Freo and Collingwood take taller players, pushing that list down a bit.
It just reinforces my view that I'd love to get our hands on one of those St Kilda picks if at all possible. We then take away the risk of selecting a less preferred option.
Interesting work, Flea_29 . Can't see Collingwood or Fremantle giving up 5 or 6, but the St Kilda and Bulldogs trades are good options, especially Bulldogs as they only slide back 3 spaces and it might appeal to them. You haven't factored in compensation picks pushing things back though. Pick 27 (Bulldogs, potentially lower) would match a bid on Ballenden at 21 with a bit left over or have a 12 point deficit for a bid on Ballenden at 20. 41 & 43 make more sense if we're certain about Payne. Really like the idea of taking 2 midfielders from the top ten. But as Cripps went at 13, 12 looks pretty good as well.Trade picks 12 & 19 (2216pts) for Picks 7, 43, 57 (2204pts).
Use pick 18 for Cameron.
Leaves us 1 & 7 for 2 players we want/need and have picks 41 and 43 (790 points combined) for Ballenden.
Other options to get 2 picks in the top 10.
- Trade picks 12 & 18 (2253) to WB for picks 9 & 26 (2198)
- Trade picks 12 & 18 (2253) to COLL for picks 6 & 36 (2253)
- Trade picks 12 & 18 (2253) to Frem for picks 5 & 40 (2307)
How does he compare with similar types like Brodie and Setterfield from last year?I'm still hoping we opt for someone other than LDU at pick 1. He lacks genuine star power for mine and is somewhat vanilla.
Really hoping for either Dow/Stephenson.
How does he compare with similar types like Brodie and Setterfield from last year?
He doesn't seem to have really put it together all year, but he looks like a complete player to me. Would draft.
Can't see Collingwood or Fremantle giving up 5 or 6
In 10 years when we look back this draft won't be very even at all.
Have to pick the right ones !
Fremantle have a good reason to trade back though: they need a second rounder to pay for Nathan Wilson. Perhaps if we offered 12 and 18 for 5 and 40, they would take it. It still puts them in position to grab a tall at 12.
I reckon we'd need to trade up to 5 if we want to be certain of getting Brayshaw.
Yeah cos they have phoned it in for the last few yearsGet the feeling our recruiters are going to have earn their pay this draft.
I'm sure he'll be a decent midfielder, but i just don't see anything pick 1 about him. Looks like a midfield type that will be available every year. Gee I hope the recruiters get this one right.
Good point. Hadn't considered that. I hope they agree.Fremantle have a good reason to trade back though: they need a second rounder to pay for Nathan Wilson. Perhaps if we offered 12 and 18 for 5 and 40, they would take it. It still puts them in position to grab a tall at 12.
I reckon we'd need to trade up to 5 if we want to be certain of getting Brayshaw.
Conole mentioned him when interviewed... he added three players after questioned about LDU and Rayner. Dow, Cerra and Brayshaw, as the 5 players we would consider with pick one. Seems clear we're considering him, at least.What makes you think we want Brayshaw?
Conole mentioned him when interviewed... he added three players after questioned about LDU and Rayner. Dow, Cerra and Brayshaw, as the 5 players we would consider with pick one. Seems clear we're considering him, at least.
Maybe you are right, like i said i am sure he will be a player. But for some reason i just can't get on board.Gee you're hard to please.
Based on that effort in that Rangers game , he looks exactly what we need
LDU/Stephenson then Dow then Rayner is how I see it.
What makes you think we want Brayshaw?
Lions rate Brayshaw very highly - including their coach Chris Fagan who liked what he saw in the TAC Cup Finals. I doubt he's there at Pick 10, reckon Fremantle at Pick 5 a good chance.
The issue this year is that there isn't that elite, stand out prospect but that there is about 2/3/4 players around the mark who are still pretty good. My main issue with LDU was that in the national champs with the three televised/streamed games he didn't have his best games but in saying that he dominated the private school comp for Hailebury, he was one of the best versus the Northern Blues when the AIS/AFL squad played, stood up in the TACCUP finals. He has many AFL traits already which is a good base to start with. In regards to Fagan's comments he is the most natural midfielder who can play inside/outside and can go forward as well. I would expect that he would be similar to Heeney in the first couple of years playing as a HBF.I'm sure he'll be a decent midfielder, but i just don't see anything pick 1 about him. Looks like a midfield type that will be available every year. Gee I hope the recruiters get this one right.
His disposal by foot is extremely high as well and don't forget that Fagan comes from Hawks where if 'you can't kick you can't play'.What makes you think we want Brayshaw?
Meh.
Lying is the second language of the AFL
Reckon there is a lot of posturing, maneouvering and disingenuous statements amomgst the Recruiters in the lead up to the draft.
Just as there is during "trade week"