Garry Lyon & Tim Watson: "Carlton aren't a big four club anymore."

[Tzatziki_Man]

Garry Lyon: "Carlton don't deserve to be considered big four like Richmond, Collingwood and Essendon anymore."

Tim Watson: "They aren't a destination club, no one wants to go there."

Interesting. Thoughts?

 

[Xtreme]

Either is Essendon

Without this years flag Richmond wouldn't be either.

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

Either is Essendon

Without this years flag Richmond wouldn't be either.

This discussion is about Carlton. Stay on topic please.

 

[Jcpdragonx]

Big 3 are Hawks Sydney Geelong

 

[Taylor]

Does the qualifying for this big four club title change to suit the argument?

Collingwood, Hawthorn, Richmond and Essendon have the most fans but this does include 3-game membership numbers.

Is it about financial security? West Coast is a financial powerhouse.

 

[Catoggio76]

Garry Lyon: "Carlton don't deserve to be considered big four like Richmond, Collingwood and Essendon anymore."

Tim Watson: "They aren't a destination club, no one wants to go there."

Interesting. Thoughts?

Essendon is getting "wind assisted" help from AFL HQ after the drugs disgrace. How anyone doesn't see through the Gerballs like Public Relations push for Essendon is a nuff nuff.

Does the AFL seriously think people are that stupid?

Which brings me to one thing, is the AFL too focused on PR Spin and not enough on actually providing a good product (i.e. real footy) these days?

 

[Satchel]

people listen to Tim Watson?

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

people listen to Tim Watson?

More than they listen to you, he's a great bloke. Met him a few times, an absolute pleasure. One of the good guys.

 

[Underarm]

Does the qualifying for this big four club title change to suit the argument?

Collingwood, Hawthorn, Richmond and Essendon have the most fans but this does include 3-game membership numbers.

Is it about financial security? West Coast is a financial powerhouse.

Its about general support and power in Melbourne/Victoria. Big 4 hasnt changed.

 

[Lensen]

in a sport full of useless terms that might have meant something 40 years ago but mean nothing now, this is the stupidest

 

[Taylor]

Its about general support and power in Melbourne/Victoria. Big 4 hasnt changed.

An intangible vibe?

 

[HairyO]

In other news, water is wet.

 

[kane249]

Carltons fan base is hibernating much like the Tigers was up until this year. Success comes back and they will be out of the woodwork in force.

 

[JeffDunne]

The poll options are hilarious.

Melbourne?

Really? That's a classic.

 

[King Brown]

Either is Essendon

Without this years flag Richmond wouldn't be either.

Richmond have more supporters show up to their games in seasons they miss finals than Hawthorn does in seasons they win premierships.

 

[Fat Nyfe]

The Big 4 concept hasn't existed for decades, stop trying to bring it back

 

[King Brown]

Essendon is getting "wind assisted" help from AFL HQ after the drugs disgrace. How anyone doesn't see through the Gerballs like Public Relations push for Essendon is a nuff nuff.

Does the AFL seriously think people are that stupid?

*gerbils

 

[King Brown]

You have to wonder how much money the AFL leaves on the table in the interests of competition evenness.

A season with the top four of Essendon, Richmond, Collingwood and Carlton would rake in millions.

People say the AFL is money hungry, but let’s be honest, if they really were they’d just let the competition play out like that.

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

The Big 4 concept hasn't existed for decades, stop trying to bring it back

So you're saying the idea that four clubs could be bigger in support and identity than all the others doesn't exist? K bro...

 

[Atomboy]

I reckon we need a "Big 7", that would be much more appealing.

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

Big 3 are Hawks Sydney Geelong

With your mentality the big 1 15 years ago was the Brisbane Lions.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Just a historical Melbourne thing.

North, Hawthorn and Footscray were 1925 expansion clubs.

Geelong were a country club.

Fitzroy always struggled with support because they were sandwiched geographically by bigger clubs.

St Kilda and South Melbourne hugely unsuccessful on field.

Melbourne had a small, apathetic supporter base from outside the large working class and no geographic suburban area.

Essendon, Collingwood, Carlton and Richmond were the bigger clubs, hence the big 4. That's all it is.

 

[The_Reaper]

Big Five

Adelaide
Collingwood
Essendon
Richmond
West Coast

 

[AndyLucimitis]

As much as it pains me to say I have to agree based purely on membership levels.

I still think the games between the old 'Big 4' still average very large crowds and have stood the test of time.

There have been shorter term rivalries that draw the crowds and we need to see if they stand up over 20-30 years.

I'd still be confident to say that in 2040 a Carlton v Richmond, Collingwood or Essendon would draw a big crowd at the G'.

 

[bkozican]

West Coast Maybe in members but on field....Nah, Not even close.

I would say Geelong then the Dees