Many contact sports are competed in at Olympic level. Rugby, boxing, wrestling, judo, a whole host of combat sports. The IOC oversees competition of these at the Olympic level
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Many contact sports are competed in at Olympic level. Rugby, boxing, wrestling, judo, a whole host of combat sports. The IOC oversees competition of these at the Olympic level
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Hannah gets a tonne of publicity and will more than likely make more money off of Hannah's notoriety than actually playing football.poor Hannah. She'd be feeling pretty blah right now
Not surprised by the decision unfortunately
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But then players who identify as female will complain they have to play against players who identify as male etc.
are you referring to the scientific fact that he was born a male ?
Seems you know a lot more than I on this. I'd have imagined the IOC would have undertaken a scientific study to land on the specific amounts of testorone (or the specific substance they measure which the name of escapes me) an athlete can have in there body.
You're suggesting the study was brief to back up a pre held view?
Have you got examples of them approving transgender women rugby players?
quotemokc
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Is this the same IOC that thought having the Olympics in Rio was a good idea?
Seems you know a lot more than I on this. I'd have imagined the IOC would have undertaken a scientific study to land on the specific amounts of testorone (or the specific substance they measure which the name of escapes me) an athlete can have in there body.
You're suggesting the study was brief to back up a pre held view?
Tandy
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Are people really questioning THE International Olympic Committee? The IOC is THE highest sporting body on the planet.
Their findings were clear. The current scientific literature supports their decision.
This is SCIENCE. Not politics.
The AFL gave in to fear and hysteria.
Their findings were clear. The current scientific literature supports their decision.
This is SCIENCE. Not politics.
The AFL gave in to fear and hysteria.
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The IOC themselves said their decision to permit transgender athletes was due to political and social factors.
Former IOC medical commission chairman Arne Ljungqvist, who was among the experts involved in drafting the new guidelines, said the consensus was driven by social and political changes.
“It has become much more of a social issue than in the past,” he told Associated Press. “We had to review and look into this from a new angle. We needed to adapt to the modern legislation around the world. We felt we cannot impose a surgery if that is no longer a legal requirement.
“It has become much more of a social issue than in the past,” he told Associated Press. “We had to review and look into this from a new angle. We needed to adapt to the modern legislation around the world. We felt we cannot impose a surgery if that is no longer a legal requirement.
It used to be that you had to have surgery, but they changed the rules in 2016. Mouncey has not had surgery.
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What about those who don't identify with either gender? They need a league too.
A 3rd league is required or they just do away with the women bit and allow any gender other than Male compete.
Such examples aren't necessary when the guidelines have been clearly outlined, rather than the AFL rushing out a last minute decision that is based on a specific person and likely forgoes any scientific study
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Brief discussion on SEN featuring Mark Marko Allen, David Ox Schwarz and Tim Gossage. Gossage said if it ticked all the boxes....
No, you are wrong
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Does it though?
Fair enough. Although it's possible to listen to social pressures, then complete a scientific study and make an educated decision with that information.
Fortunately for those with any common sense, "feeling pretty blah" doesn't give you the right to play in a competition against women, who were born with much slighter skeletons than poor old hannah. Step in the right direction for logic and reason in sport, and pushing "feels" to the side where it belongs.
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You're welcome to state your opinion on the matter and I am aware of the IOC's stance.
Please don't then take the next step of throwing a blanket over the whole of Australia and imply that the whole country isn't intelligent or advanced because a sporting organization wont allow a transgender person to play in a fledgling professional sport.
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Currently there's a big difference between Olympic sports and AFLW namely professionalism and/or training standards. Just 12 months ago women's football was amateur and clubs have spoken about the just how far off a lot of players were in respect to their fitness. You only have to look at how the likes Erin Phillips could dominate the comp for an example.
Also compounding the matter is a lot of women haven't grown up playing footy continuously.
Maybe in a few years a different decision would be appropriate, but right now it's too early in the life of the comp for trans women who have very recently competed professionally as a male.
Also compounding the matter is a lot of women haven't grown up playing footy continuously.
Maybe in a few years a different decision would be appropriate, but right now it's too early in the life of the comp for trans women who have very recently competed professionally as a male.
Probably not wise to invoke a corrupt bunch of campaigners like the IOC to support your argument.
pfft. HE has grown up his whole life with more testosterone that any female can naturally. He has had a significant head start and advantage over every other women playing in the AFLW. Just because his test levels are low NOW, shouldn't mean he is allowed to compete against women with he same test levels.
Agreed, she either has an unfair advantage or she doesn't. If you're going to block her entering the AFLW then it has to be at all levels, just like if a player is suspended or given a life ban
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