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Are you in the 'race is a social construct' camp?
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Absolutely I feel the AFL have done there best in this difficult situation.
Hopefully the powers to be will include trans sports people
in their further discussions and policy making.
Personally I will keep championing the cause and hopefully the policies of the future and sporting organisations will be better equippedto handle this type of situation.
Thanks
Wookie for your amazing input
Into this subject one again xxx
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Im the camp of going with accepted scientific consensus. So:
1) Gravity is caused by mass
2) Energy = mass x the speed of light squared
3) Special relativity explains much of Newtons work
4) Anthropic climate change is real
5) Race is a social construct
6) Uncertainty is a quality of electrons.
And so forth.
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Thats not what you asked.
You asked if [race is a social construct] reflects the scientific consensus. It does.
You might disagree that it does reflect the consensus (you'd be wrong) or disagree with the consensus (thats a different matter, and sadly the accepted consenus disagrees with you) of course.
Any reverse instances in the sporting world of this. Lady to gent actually competing anywhere?
Maybe another sport can introduce a no holds barred transgender whatever league and all the outraged can get memberships
I thought not......
I thought not......
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How do you manage to get through life?
Edit. Yep missed it.
Im sure if their daughter/sister/ girlfriend or whatever was playing in the AFL W and had to go up against a 190cm former elite male athlete they might have second thoughts. It would be unsafe to allow her to play.
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Glad to see the correct decision was made. Men's and women's sports are separated for a reason
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Personally I've always peversely somehow wanted an 'anything goes' Olympics. No drug tests, go nuts.
Weight lifting and Cycling are drug riddled in any event. Its more a question of how good you are at hiding it.
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its a fairly well known disorder, not my fault your knowledge is limited.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19132621
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Thats not a person who 'identifies as an amputee, but isnt'. Its a person who desires to be an amputee. I honestly cant see a person who is not disabled being allowed into the para-olympics (as you asserted) unless they were in fact disabled.
But close enough.
You already have it.
What if Mumford had been on steroids and injecting testosterone since he was a kid. Thats the advantage she has.
It shouldn't even be a case of the size of the player. It has to be as cut and dry as not a women = can't play
You can't go letting smaller trans women play because its safer than allowing the bigger ones in. If the size was the issue then you would have to also not allow large women to play either
You can't go letting smaller trans women play because its safer than allowing the bigger ones in. If the size was the issue then you would have to also not allow large women to play either
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A Spanish Men's Basketball team participated in the 2000 Paralympics in an intellectually impaired category and were later found to be fraudulent and stripped of their medals http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2994623/Disabled-Sport-Sydney-cheats-stripped-of-medals.html
Expecting a aflw player to actually be a woman is not an unreasonable requirement.
This seems a strawman to me...Going by the criteria of 'homelessness', or perhaps a more significant 'suicide' statistic in the below link, transgenderism ought to fit the same criteria of being harmful? It seems the only difference is that we try to be final judge and arbiter on whose perceptions are right (using our own subjective perceptions mind you).
The claim that entertaining it magically makes these all go away seems at worst false, and misleading at best, depending on which studies you accept/reject. (link 2).
http://time.com/4595422/transgender-survey-data-united-states/
http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/19/transgender-regret-is-real-even-if-the-media-tell-you-otherwise/
Call me old fashioned, ignorant or whatever. But if you were born with a penis and are 190 cm tall, you really shouldn't be playing one of the world's most contact-heavy and running-heavy sports against people who were born women. That's not fair.
I have a good mate who was born a male and is currently transitioning. That doesn't make me an expert but I sympathise with transgender Australians.
I have a good mate who was born a male and is currently transitioning. That doesn't make me an expert but I sympathise with transgender Australians.
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